Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

[OneUnited24]

Then Rooney got one chance and won the match, dinking it cool as you like over Martinez.

Its funny but watching Rooney go clear i almost knew it was going to be 2 nil, even when his forms been off he puts those chances away. Had it been Welbeck in the same situation i would have expected him to miss.

At the top those are the margins. I've said it before but when he was sold i was annoyed but somewhat happy that LvG was not bound to the affection we have to certain players and he would be cut throat in building a squad of quality players who know what it takes to be at a big club.

 

[LR7]

This thread is full of ridiculousness on both sides of the argument.

 

[adexkola]

Its funny but watching Rooney go clear i almost knew it was going to be 2 nil, even when his forms been off he puts those chances away. Had it been Welbeck in the same situation i would have expected him to miss.

At the top those are the margins. I've said it before but when he was sold i was annoyed but somewhat happy that LvG was not bound to the affection we have to certain players and he would be cut throat in building a squad of quality players who know what it takes to be at a big club.

Welbeck is 24. I know I'm not the only one who remembers Rooney's torrid ruts of poor form a few years back.

Not saying Welbeck is on that level, but get a grip, he's doing things right even when he's not scoring proficiently

 

[okLaptop1]

For some who isn't particularly great or particularly bad, he does elicit some strong opinions does Danny. I for one am rooting for him to do well with Arsenal; every time I watch the Gunners play I hope they lose 3-1 with Welbeck scoring their only goal.

 

[iBoss]

I only saw the highlights but his movement looked very good. That is the sort pf thing that change games. As I said though, I only saw the highlights.

 

[OneUnited24]

Welbeck is 24. I know I'm not the only one who remembers Rooney's torrid ruts of poor form a few years back.

Not saying Welbeck is on that level, but get a grip, he's doing things right even when he's not scoring proficiently

At 24 Rooney was by far a better finisher than Welbeck - at 24 Rooney got 34 goals that season alone, in fact if you look at his scoring figures he's averaged 20 goals a season for us and a lot of his early years he played on the wing as Welbeck did which shows (for me anyway) that Rooney was a far better finisher at that age than Welbeck as were countless other strikers. Even when Rooney was bad he was still productive

IMO at 24 you shouldn't be developing your skills but tuning them. That bolded bit is the very reason we sold Welbeck, we need someone who can put the ball into the back of the net and not have a few nice flicks here and there

 

[dirkey]

Welbeck is 24. I know I'm not the only one who remembers Rooney's torrid ruts of poor form a few years back.

Not saying Welbeck is on that level, but get a grip, he's doing things right even when he's not scoring proficiently

Isn't that exactly the point though? Welbeck isn't on that level, nor is he at the same level Rooney was at, at that age. It's why he was sold, and why it was good business. The panic from people on here, labelling him the new Henry etc was laughable.

I think the point the poster was making was something I completely agree with - you want someone up top who you are confident of, when they're going through. Welbeck never inspired confidence, and when he scored, I found myself more surprised than anything else.

Not good enough for a team like us, who want titles.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Its decisions like signing him to solve the striker problem at arsenal that have fans calling for Arsene's head. How he thought signing him could solve their striker problem is beyond me.

 

[The Purley King]

From United's bench to Arsenal's bench........

 

[Nighteyes]

Arsenal looked much better with him on the pitch. Sanchez, Welbeck and Ox is a very good front 3 to have if Arsenal can sort out their midfield.

 

[Rossa]

Arsenal looked much better with him on the pitch. Sanchez, Welbeck and Ox is a very good front 3 to have if Arsenal can sort out their midfield.

Now they must sort out their midfield? It used to be the other way around; their midfield being great but ultimately they lacked a good enough attack...

 

[iBoss]

From United's bench to Arsenal's bench........

Not really.

 

[coolredwine]

Now they must sort out their midfield? It used to be the other way around; their midfield being great but ultimately they lacked a good enough attack...

They have Wilshere and Ramsey in the middle (also Cazorla if you want to add him), and Flamini/Arteta behind them. Not at all good.

 

[HabeasC]

Now they must sort out their midfield? It used to be the other way around; their midfield being great but ultimately they lacked a good enough attack...

They have always had a decent set of midfielders, just that they are not the ones they need and that they always get injured.

An inform Ramsey/Wilshere + a genuinely good CDM is a very very good MF pairing. They aren't that far off, but their midfield is not where it should be, particularly considering that at least one of them is injured/out of form at all times.

 

[Nighteyes]

Now they must sort out their midfield? It used to be the other way around; their midfield being great but ultimately they lacked a good enough attack...

They really need someone with defensive nous, someone like Carrick basically.

Stoke litereally walked past their midfield time and again with no problems.

 

[littlepeasoup]

Its decisions like signing him to solve the striker problem at arsenal that have fans calling for Arsene's head. How he thought signing him could solve their striker problem is beyond me.

They needed guaranteed goals, and as much as I love Danny's movement with and without the ball, his link-up play and his energy on the pitch, Danny Welbeck does not guarantee goals.

That being said, I still think they got him for a song.

 

[Successful]

He's nothing more than a competent player. Just an ordinary generation star like Tore Andre Floo, Defoe, Heskey etc.

 

[Amar__]

I found it quite telling in the game against us, where he fluffed three decent chances in a big game, flattering to deceive through his movement.

Then Rooney got one chance and won the match, dinking it cool as you like over Martinez.

I like how every chance Welbeck puts himself into is regarded as good chance and is missed because Welbeck's finishing is terrible, but when some other striker misses it from even better chance(let's say our main striker van Persie) it's either good save by keeper or people just call him unlucky.

When I don't watch a game and see comments about him missing some chance I always think he missed an open goal or something like that but when I see it it's usually decent chance and nothing else.

 

[Joga Bonito]

The won the corner remark reminds me of the get in thread in the classics .

 

[ottosec]

I like how every chance Welbeck puts himself into is regarded as good chance and is missed because Welbeck's finishing is terrible, but when some other striker misses it from even better chance(let's say our main striker van Persie) it's either good save by keeper or people just call him unlucky.

I guess you haven't been reading the RVP threads in the last 2 seasons... Lucky you.

 

[moses]

Welbeck is 24. I know I'm not the only one who remembers Rooney's torrid ruts of poor form a few years back.

Not saying Welbeck is on that level, but get a grip, he's doing things right even when he's not scoring proficiently

Rooney's dips in form were always overstated. At 24 he was streets ahead of Welbeck.

 

[moses]

He's nothing more than a competent player. Just an ordinary generation star like Tore Andre Floo, Defoe, Heskey etc.

Yep, if he wasn't in our academy, nobody would be looking to sign him. He's a good player who will have a good career.

 

[adexkola]

Rooney's dips in form were always overstated. At 24 he was streets ahead of Welbeck.

Eh?

Rooney went 10 games without scoring a goal in 2006-07 once. If that is overstating then fair enough.

 

[moses]

Eh?

Rooney went 10 games without scoring a goal in 2006-07 once. If that is overstating then fair enough.

Key word. Their careers are incomparable.

 

[reelworld]

The won the corner remark reminds me of the get in thread in the classics .

Me too!

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

By the time Rooney was 24 he had already scored 97 goals for us at just under a rate of 1 in 2 and was on course to having his best season.

Welbeck hasn't gotten close to these numbers yet. Comparing him to Rooney is pointless.

 

[itso 7]

They have always had a decent set of midfielders, just that they are not the ones they need and that they always get injured.

An inform Ramsey/Wilshere + a genuinely good CDM is a very very good MF pairing. They aren't that far off, but their midfield is not where it should be, particularly considering that at least one of them is injured/out of form at all times.

The thing is other teams won't be waiting for them to sort out those issues. For instance we were a mess in the summer and in the early parts of the season but now we are at least par and if we get a full strength squad we could claim to have overtaken them. Another factor is how long they would be able to hold on to the likes of Ramsey if they aren't genuinely challenging for top honours?
Back to the subject at hand, signing Welbeck was a half hearted attempt at solving the one area that has held them back for years. If they had followed up the signing of Sanchez with a top class DM and a world class striker they wouldn't be having these issues. Welbeck, as highly as I rated him, is not the solution to their striker problem.

 

[RooneyLegend]

They needed guaranteed goals, and as much as I love Danny's movement with and without the ball, his link-up play and his energy on the pitch, Danny Welbeck does not guarantee goals.

That being said, I still think they got him for a song.

Don't see how they got him for a song. He's a midtable attacker who possesses little threat to the opposition. Any striker that's better in the middle third than he is in the final third is someone that doesn't understand his job description.

 

[B20]

Has he proved yet that the Sturridge evolution is what happens to every young striker that just needs games up front?

I mean of course games where he is not isolated as a lone striker, nor made to play as a deeplying striker, nor shunted out wide. The poor lamb's proper position is of course playing up front with another striker who will neither steal his chances, get in his way, nor leave him isolated. Just wouldn't be fair to judge him until he gets a proper run of games in that position.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Has he proved yet that the Sturridge evolution is what happens to every young striker that just needs games up front?

I mean of course games where he is not isolated as a lone striker, nor made to play as a deeplying striker, nor shunted out wide. The poor lamb's proper position is of course playing up front with another striker who will neither steal his chances, get in his way, nor leave him isolated. Just wouldn't be fair to judge him until he gets a proper run of games in that position.

Sturridge showed at Bolton that he had it in him to become a productive striker, this lad on the other hand has never shown these signs. Instead he's shown that he's erratic in front of goal and average in the final third. All this he's great at link up stuff doesn't take into consideration where he's great at, at it. Far from goal he might be the best striker in the world at that stuff, closer to goal he shows an absolute lack of cutting edge.

Sturridge makes some poor decisions while on the pitch. However what can't and should've never been doubted is that he has some cutting edge, something he displayed plenty of at Bolton.

 

[OneUnited24]

Has he proved yet that the Sturridge evolution is what happens to every young striker that just needs games up front?

I mean of course games where he is not isolated as a lone striker, nor made to play as a deeplying striker, nor shunted out wide. The poor lamb's proper position is of course playing up front with another striker who will neither steal his chances, get in his way, nor leave him isolated. Just wouldn't be fair to judge him until he gets a proper run of games in that position.

Thats the thing i dont actually believe hes a target man, if anything i've always believed hes more a support striker who would really shine in the hole. Unfortunately at top clubs you tend to find they have players who can play that position better. At United its Mata/Rooney, at Chelsea its Hazard/Oscar, at City its Silva/Nasri and at Asnl its Ozil/Carzola/Ramsey

 

[Ji_Maria]

Welbeck is 24. I know I'm not the only one who remembers Rooney's torrid ruts of poor form a few years back.

Not saying Welbeck is on that level, but get a grip, he's doing things right even when he's not scoring proficiently

While Rooney had ruts of poor form, he complemented them with moments of brilliance and extended periods where he was in world-class form.

Welbeck has just consistently been above-average his entire career. Never great, never poor, just above-average. Perfect for a mid-table club.

 

[Ji_Maria]

I like how every chance Welbeck puts himself into is regarded as good chance and is missed because Welbeck's finishing is terrible, but when some other striker misses it from even better chance(let's say our main striker van Persie) it's either good save by keeper or people just call him unlucky.

You can't compare RVP or any top-striker who is on a run of bad-form to Welbeck. Top strikers have proven their capacity to carry teams and score key goals - they have money in the bank to make up for bad games. Welbeck has never done any of this, so obviously shouldn't get any credit when he hasn't done anything to accumulate the good will that so many supporters seem to have.

Yeah, he's quick with great work rate, he's likable, yeah he makes an occasional killer pass, but if he can't score those goals, his team isn't going to do so well.

 

[The Azzurri]

Had a goal unfortunately chalked off by the ref tonight, a nice chip.

Also had a shot went just past the post after a nice buildup by arsenal

 

[LeChuck]

I find it endearing when he falls over.

 

[mazhar13]

He's having an okay game in the first half. He's had a good goalscoring opportunity and an unfairly disallowed goal. He's also a good few moments stretch Newcastle and disorganising them, but he seems to struggle playing as a proper striker, as if he doesn't know what sort of positions and runs he should really make when playing up front. He looks like he has an idea, but playing out wide so often in his younger years makes him less suited to playing through the middle and better off playing on the left of a 4-3-3.

 

[cyberman]

Man needs to learn how to shoot without falling over. Horrendous technique. Can't think of many goals he's scored where he strikes the ball cleanly

 

[cyberman]

He's having an okay game in the first half. He's had a good goalscoring opportunity and an unfairly disallowed goal. He's also a good few moments stretch Newcastle and disorganising them, but he seems to struggle playing as a proper striker, as if he doesn't know what sort of positions and runs he should really make when playing up front. He looks like he has an idea, but playing out wide so often in his younger years makes him less suited to playing through the middle and better off playing on the left of a 4-3-3.

He is playing off the left isn't he?

 

[fishfingers15]

That was cruel from the ref. The bloke scores once in a while and if these dunderheads keep chalking off valid goals, what is he going to do?

 

[mazhar13]

He is playing off the left isn't he?

He is but is rarely spending time there and frequently putting himself into the middle. It's a big reason why Arsenal have frequently attacked down the right side and rarely from the left.