Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player

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Pogue Mahone said:
Wtf?
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It was no big secret that Welbeck was unhappy playing on the wing under Moyes...he wanted to play as a forward and now he's doing that, but at Arsenal.

This is in relation to another post that Welbeck could have been like another Park for us, but that would never have been possible. Park would have played anywhere on the pitch giving 110% each time with a smile on his face, just happy for the opportunity to be playing at what he believed is the best club in the world - the man probably would have played for half wages if SAF told him to, that's how much love he has for the club. Welbeck is completely different story, and I just don't see how you can compare the two.

Let's not forget Welbeck going out partying with Young and Cleverley of all people, after getting knocked out of the Champions League. This whole smiling and partying after defeat is not anything new with Welbeck. Myself as a fan, I'm literally fuming for days after a big loss, I just don't understand how a professional footballer can be all smiles and partying it up.
 
Ji_Maria said:
It was no big secret that Welbeck was unhappy playing on the wing under Moyes...he wanted to play as a forward and now he's doing that, but at Arsenal.

This is in relation to another post that Welbeck could have been like another Park for us, but that would never have been possible. Park would have played anywhere on the pitch giving 110% each time with a smile on his face, just happy for the opportunity to be playing at what he believed is the best club in the world - the man probably would have played for half wages if SAF told him to, that's how much love he has for the club. Welbeck is completely different story, and I just don't see how you can compare the two.

Let's not forget Welbeck going out partying with Young and Cleverley of all people, after getting knocked out of the Champions League. This whole smiling and partying after defeat is not anything new with Welbeck. Myself as a fan, I'm literally fuming for days after a big loss, I just don't understand how a professional footballer can be all smiles and partying it up.
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You know absolutely nothing about how much either of these two players loved the club.

Danny Welbeck was born in Longsight and has been at United since he was in primary school, so I suspect you're talking out your hole about whatever sense of connection he does or doesn't have with Manchester United.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You know absolutely nothing about how much either of these two players loved the club.

Danny Welbeck was born in Longsight and has been at United since he was in primary school, so I suspect you're talking out your hole about whatever sense of connection he does or doesn't have with Manchester United.
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“We all get on very well when we meet up,” he said. “You have to be very respectful about the touchy subjects because players have passion and love for their club. I’m the same for my club and so we are never disrespectful. We spoke with them about winning the League [last season] and it was open and respectful and a very good vibe. Danny Welbeck is the worst to crack because he is a mad, mad, mad Manchester United fan. I joke that he can hate me at United but we have to be friends with England. He lives on my road actually and we have some good banter but it is always professional.

- Joe Hart.
 
Ji_Maria said:
Let's not forget Welbeck going out partying with Young and Cleverley of all people, after getting knocked out of the Champions League. This whole smiling and partying after defeat is not anything new with Welbeck. Myself as a fan, I'm literally fuming for days after a big loss, I just don't understand how a professional footballer can be all smiles and partying it up.
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Never quite sure how anyone can take these types of posts seriously...a footballer caught smiling and suddenly he doesn't give a shit..
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Never quite sure how anyone can take these types of posts seriously...a footballer caught smiling and suddenly he doesn't give a shit..
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The best bit is "partying with Young and Cleverley of all people". I forgot you had to ditch friends you knew from 11 years old just because people deem they are shit footballers...
 
Blue always red said:
The best bit is "partying with Young and Cleverley of all people". I forgot you had to ditch friends you knew from 11 years old just because people deem they are shit footballers...
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:lol: True, as if there ability on the football pitch reflects on how they are as human beings
 
Blue always red said:
The best bit is "partying with Young and Cleverley of all people". I forgot you had to ditch friends you knew from 11 years old just because people deem they are shit footballers...
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Not to mention that any United player who restricted his drinking companions to those who were having a great season would have been a bit of a Billy no mates....
 
Personally, when I played, if we lost, I'd shake hands with opponents and ref, quick clap for the fans who watched (there were never many of those) and then get off the pitch asap. I was never a very good loser and it could affect me for days afterwards, especially if the ref had made a bad decision or something like that.
Other people were different though. One of the best players we had would be laughing and joking before the game and sometimes during the game as well (think Gazza booking the ref when he dropped his yellow card on the floor). Didn't mean he wasn't trying, he was just differently wired. Once you understood that it was easier to deal with as he did wind me and others up on numerous occasions.
I suspect that most supporters are the former, they want players to storm off in an obvious mood if they've lost to 'show their passion'. Doesn't always work like that for everyone though.....
 
FlawlessThaw said:
:lol: True, as if there ability on the football pitch reflects on how they are as human beings
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Actually probably does. Let's look at players who weren't so professional off the pitch, in terms of diet or lifestyle, and see how they turned out. As a former athlete myself at the Uni level, I can tell you that your time off the training field has a massive impact on your performance on the field. The ones who are highly disciplined in their lives tend to perform better and for a longer period of time and the ones who can't control what they eat or drink, well they don't last long at all now do they. For the amount of money our players are being paid, we can expect them to have a lifestyle fit for an elite athlete.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
You know absolutely nothing about how much either of these two players loved the club.

Danny Welbeck was born in Longsight and has been at United since he was in primary school, so I suspect you're talking out your hole about whatever sense of connection he does or doesn't have with Manchester United.
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I believe actions speak louder than words. Park never complained, ran his legs off for us in any position he was asked to play, accepted with no complaint being dropped for big games despite a good run of performances, and only left after he was no longer any good for us, and he did so gracefully and with thanks. Welbeck, for all the love he has for United according to you, complained all last season because he wasn't being played in his preferred position and left. How do you explain that? Or are you saying he loves United only when he gets what he wants?

Pogue Mahone said:
Not to mention that any United player who restricted his drinking companions to those who were having a great season would have been a bit of a Billy no mates....
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Yes, his drinking companions Young and Cleverley, who were probably the players most in need of getting their heads down and working even harder to improve, and this is right after they got knocked out of the CL. Time to celebrate for being the most criticised players on our team? Maybe if they spent less time drinking and more time focusing on their game and areas that they need to improve on, and practising more, they would still be playing first-team United.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with drinking or clubbing in general. It's the timing that worries me. At least out of respect for the supporters, I would think our players would refrain from celebrating in a club in public after a crushing loss. And live a lifestyle that is conducive of world-class football. Let's not forget how much slag we gave to Rooney for showing up in pre-season overweight and unfit.

SAF himself had a problem with players who were out drinking on the weekends or staying out late or trying to live the "celebrity" lifestyle - you can't train well when you're hungover and body not recovering due to alcohol and lack of sleep, or if your mind is off wandering about being famous. SAF punished, and in cases kicked people off the team, for lifestyle choices, so I just don't see why my opinion is so unreasonable.
 
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Ji_Maria said:
I believe actions speak louder than words. Park never complained, ran his legs off for us in any position he was asked to play, accepted with no complaint being dropped for big games despite a good run of performances, and only left after he was no longer any good for us, and he did so gracefully and with thanks. Welbeck, for all the love he has for United according to you, complained all last season because he wasn't being played in his preferred position and left. How do you explain that? Or are you saying he loves United only when he gets what he wants?



Yes, his drinking companions Young and Cleverley, who were probably the players most in need of getting their heads down and working even harder to improve, and this is right after they got knocked out of the CL. Time to celebrate for being the most criticised players on our team? Maybe if they spent less time drinking and more time focusing on their game and areas that they need to improve on, and practising more, they would still be playing first-team United.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with drinking or clubbing in general. It's the timing that worries me. At least out of respect for the supporters, I would think our players would refrain from celebrating in a club in public after a crushing loss. And live a lifestyle that is conducive of world-class football. Let's not forget how much slag we gave to Rooney for showing up in pre-season overweight and unfit.

SAF himself had a problem with players who were out drinking on the weekends or staying out late or trying to live the "celebrity" lifestyle - you can't train well when you're hungover and body not recovering due to alcohol and lack of sleep, or if your mind is off wandering about being famous. SAF punished, and in cases kicked people off the team, for lifestyle choices, so I just don't see why my opinion is so unreasonable.
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Your opinion is just unreasonable because you're expecting footballers to have no lives at all apart from on the pitch. At the end of the day, it's just a job. A great job, but what they do in their spare time, who they hang out with, really shouldn't be of anyone's concern. We get knocked out of the champions league, go out, who gives a feck. I go out after I finish my exams in school. It's a stress reliever. People are wired differently, some show emotion by being pissed for a week and letting one result affect them and everyone around them, others realize you can't change the past and move on with their lives and not let it ruin every other aspect of their life until the next game. I know which one I'd rather be.

Of course there would be a problem if they went out drinking all the time. They dont though, it's on occasion and the times they get hammered are even more rare, because of the constant training. Welbeck is a United fan through and through, but if he has no real future here, why would he stay? It's his career after all. He wanted to go somewhere he would be first choice so he did that. He was never going to become that at United. You can say it's loyalty or loving your club, but I'd disagree. If anything, it just shows a bit of a lack of ambition to make a name for yourself somewhere as a starter and actually get somewhere. It's like settling for a mediocre role because you're a fan of the club.
 
Ji_Maria said:
I believe actions speak louder than words. Park never complained, ran his legs off for us in any position he was asked to play, accepted with no complaint being dropped for big games despite a good run of performances, and only left after he was no longer any good for us, and he did so gracefully and with thanks. Welbeck, for all the love he has for United according to you, complained all last season because he wasn't being played in his preferred position and left. How do you explain that? Or are you saying he loves United only when he gets what he wants?



Yes, his drinking companions Young and Cleverley, who were probably the players most in need of getting their heads down and working even harder to improve, and this is right after they got knocked out of the CL. Time to celebrate for being the most criticised players on our team? Maybe if they spent less time drinking and more time focusing on their game and areas that they need to improve on, and practising more, they would still be playing first-team United.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with drinking or clubbing in general. It's the timing that worries me. At least out of respect for the supporters, I would think our players would refrain from celebrating in a club in public after a crushing loss. And live a lifestyle that is conducive of world-class football. Let's not forget how much slag we gave to Rooney for showing up in pre-season overweight and unfit.

SAF himself had a problem with players who were out drinking on the weekends or staying out late or trying to live the "celebrity" lifestyle - you can't train well when you're hungover and body not recovering due to alcohol and lack of sleep, or if your mind is off wandering about being famous. SAF punished, and in cases kicked people off the team, for lifestyle choices, so I just don't see why my opinion is so unreasonable.
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Absolutely massive stick up the arse.

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Ji_Maria said:
Yes, his drinking companions Young and Cleverley, who were probably the players most in need of getting their heads down and working even harder to improve, and this is right after they got knocked out of the CL. Time to celebrate for being the most criticised players on our team? Maybe if they spent less time drinking and more time focusing on their game and areas that they need to improve on, and practising more, they would still be playing first-team United.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with drinking or clubbing in general. It's the timing that worries me. At least out of respect for the supporters, I would think our players would refrain from celebrating in a club in public after a crushing loss. And live a lifestyle that is conducive of world-class football. Let's not forget how much slag we gave to Rooney for showing up in pre-season overweight and unfit.

SAF himself had a problem with players who were out drinking on the weekends or staying out late or trying to live the "celebrity" lifestyle - you can't train well when you're hungover and body not recovering due to alcohol and lack of sleep, or if your mind is off wandering about being famous. SAF punished, and in cases kicked people off the team, for lifestyle choices, so I just don't see why my opinion is so unreasonable.
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Agree,
Its really worst time to party when we knockout in CL and having such bad season.
And if you going to do that, question will be raise for your loyalty.
If we had won that CL game then all united fan would have one laugh of them and forgot about it.

Some jobs come with responsibility, In one way or another players re-presenting club.
Its not big ask to be little careful. I am sure its not end of world if they avoid party on days like that. Or they can have quite party if they want.
The money they are earning players should make sure they don't catch this type of news.
 
I really don't understand this line of thinking which professes footballers as some kind of moral bastions for our society. Plenty of folks hit the clubs to release work related stress and anxiety. Why can't Danny ?
 
Viral United said:
Agree,
Its really worst time to party when we knockout in CL and having such bad season.
And if you going to do that, question will be raise for your loyalty.
If we had won that CL game then all united fan would have one laugh of them and forgot about it.

Some jobs come with responsibility, In one way or another players re-presenting club.
Its not big ask to be little careful. I am sure its not end of world if they avoid party on days like that. Or they can have quite party if they want.
The money they are earning players should make sure they don't catch this type of news.
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:lol::lol::lol:
Yeah those disloyal feckers that you know get up in the morning to train with United from the age of 11/12 for all these years.
Not allowed to go out for a drink after work? You know what many normal people do after a bad day at the office...

Its almost as if being a footballer makes you exempt from being an actual human being, how strange.
 
Cassidy said:
:lol::lol::lol:
Yeah those disloyal feckers that you know get up in the morning to train with United from the age of 11/12 for all these years.
Not allowed to go out for a drink after work? You know what many normal people do after a bad day at the office...

Its almost as if being a footballer makes you exempt from being an actual human being, how strange.
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Invictus said:
I really don't understand this line of thinking which professes footballers as some kind of moral bastions for our society. Plenty of folks hit the clubs to release work related stress and anxiety. Why can't Danny ?
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Well as I say some jobs come with responsibility.
When you know everyone watching you, you should make sure to avoid silly thing.

As I said in my pervious post, its timing which is wrong, in another situation (if we have win CL match) no one have given a dam.
 
Viral United said:
Well as I say some jobs come with responsibility.
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Varying perspective maybe, but I don't really agree with that. Welbeck is a model professional, an apparently amiable fellow and a good role model for kids. What he does in private should be none of our concern. It's not his fault some creepy paparazzi can't even let him lose some steam after a season full of frustration. Footballers aren't inherently supposed to be saints, they're just normal humans and Welbeck partying didn't hurt anyone.

Also, what timing man ? He's just hanging out with his mates, having a good time. Nothing wrong with that. Or would you rather him mope around at home ?
 
Viral United said:
Well as I say some jobs come with responsibility.
When you know everyone watching you, you should make sure to avoid silly thing.

As I said in my pervious post, its timing which is wrong, in another situation (if we have win CL match) no one have given a dam.
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I sure didn't give a damn and tbh most people probably didn't either.
Hes not a major, prime ministor or something like that, he plays football.
What responsibility does that really come with in reality? Its just silly to expect footballers to behave like they are politicians.
He is actually a player who you can't even really write any bad stories about, yet we want to complain because he went for a drink with his teammates... *sigh*
 
Invictus said:
Varying perspective maybe, but I don't really agree with that. Welbeck is a model professional, an apparently amiable fellow and a good role model for kids. What he does in private should be none of our concern. It's not his fault some creepy paparazzi can't even let him lose some steam after a season full of frustration. Footballers aren't inherently supposed to be saints, they're just normal humans and Welbeck partying didn't hurt anyone.

Also, what timing man ? He's just hanging out with his mates, having a good time. Nothing wrong with that. Or would you rather him mope around at home ?
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I understand what you trying to say, and I know he is good person.

As for timing, it was look like they dont care we loose or win, that what I am talking about.

As for frustration goes i will say let them do whatever they want in off season, when season start its not good idea.
 
If football fans weren't sensitive, fickle people, this thread would only be 10 pages long.
 
Cassidy said:
I sure didn't give a damn and tbh most people probably didn't either.
Hes not a major, prime ministor or something like that, he plays football.
What responsibility does that really come with in reality? Its just silly to expect footballers to behave like they are politicians.
He is actually a player who you can't even really write any bad stories about, yet we want to complain because he went for a drink with his teammates... *sigh*
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Well you entitle to your opinion and I can only speak my-self, and its not look good to me what happen that time.
I am sure he is good guy and I have no complain for him, but at that time I was got angry on him may be you can say its my passion or I am too sensitive.
But that how its works.

For me he was carrying responsibility to representing our club when season start.
He can do what ever he want in off season. but when season start there is not time for such things.
 
Viral United said:
Well you entitle to your opinion and I can only speak my-self, and its not look good to me what happen that time.
I am sure he is good guy and I have no complain for him, but at that time I was got angry on him may be you can say its my passion or I am too sensitive.
But that how its works.

For me he was carrying responsibility to representing our club when season start.
He can do what ever he want in off season. but when season start there is not time for such things.
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All/most players go out for drinks with their teammates during the season, just so you know. And sometimes this happens after a loss, its not the first time and wont be the last. I have actually been out and seen players in bars after a game which they lost.

Where I take exception is where players go out for drinks the night before a game.
 
Viral United said:
Well you entitle to your opinion and I can only speak my-self, and its not look good to me what happen that time.
I am sure he is good guy and I have no complain for him, but at that time I was got angry on him may be you can say its my passion or I am too sensitive.
But that how its works.

For me he was carrying responsibility to representing our club when season start.
He can do what ever he want in off season. but when season start there is not time for such things.
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oh ffs. Stop being such a sanctimonious arsehole.
 
Sorry @Viral United but I just can't rationalize those opinions.

At the given time, he wasn't due to train or play in a match. So, United shouldn't have a professional cause for concern, unless he was mixed up in some criminal activity (which he wasn't) or ruining his fitness which is partial property of the club (again which he wasn't). Do you want the player's personal lives to be micromanaged ?

Also, didn't Fergie share a bottle of wine with most opposition managers irrespective of the result ? So, using your logic wasn't he being irresponsible too ?
 
Cassidy said:
All/most players go out for drinks with their teammates during the season, just so you know. And sometimes this happens after a loss, its not the first time and wont be the last. I have actually been out and seen players in bars after a game which they lost.

Where I take exception is where players go out for drinks the night before a game.
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Sure lots of players do, but I think they do it in manner way or make sure they do so they don't catch in anyone eye.
I think we can agree or disagree in this topic.
 
FFS, if you've ever played game of football and lost and like me forked up to cost your side the game and like me take losing extremely badly and forking up extremely badly then you will know that you still go down the pub suffer the pisstaking and get on with it.
 
peterstorey said:
FFS, if you've ever played game of football and lost and like me forked up to cost your side the game and like me take losing extremely badly and forking up extremely badly then you will know that you still go down the pub suffer the pisstaking and get on with it.
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I am pretty sure you should be going straight home, refuse to answer any txts from Young or Cleverley (except maybe to text them back asking why they have time to text when they should be in the training ground. No matter the hour) and alternate between self-flagellation and studying St. John of the Cross' Dark Night of the Soul.
 
Viral United said:
Sure lots of players do, but I think they do it in manner way or make sure they do so they don't catch in anyone eye.
I think we can agree or disagree in this topic.
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Believe me they don't just go out in London to one of those fancy nightclubs and you'll see.
 
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