Someone better than Welbeck. Wenger dithered in the transfer market yet again. Ozil was a once off.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Fair enough if you think that. You play more Galatasary level teams than you do Chelsea away.
What about Sanchez?
titles and trophies are won and lost against the big teams Twigg, for the most part at least. Surely you know this, and that's why great players (something you've said Welbeck can be) are largely always the ones who perform against the biggest teams. You cannot just pick games against certain teams and say "nah, don't judge him on that one, not fair".
Sanchez was a good buy, but a luxury in my opinion. I don't think they needed another winger/AM. They needed a very good striker and a great CB.
I dont pretend to have followed his career close enough at that age but i know since he was 23/24 hes scored 1 in 2, and if it wasn't for injuries probably would have scored a lot more.
Rooney by that age had done it more times than i can remember for both Everton and us
Who won the league last season? Was it the team who picked up 7 points out of 18 against the other top 4 teams or was it the team who picked up 16/18?
Titles are won throughout the season. Little games are just as important. But more importantly this is Welbecks first game away at a top four club at Chelsea. If he doesn't score against a big club all season fair enough, but I'd say if you're sticking it in the net one out of every three games against the top four you'll be fine
He looked so timid today then took out all of his frustration with that challenge at the end. He's got to be more aggressive, Cahill and Terry were far too comfortable.
Not like he did get a lot of chances today. Özil and Wilshere did their best to lose the ball before Arsenal could create any decent chance.
I said 'for the most part', didn't I? That's one season. Surely you're not claiming the point doesn't still stand based on one season, are you?
Whether they're as important or not is irrelevant, what you're saying is that he shouldn't be judged because it's Chelsea, the best team in the league. I say feck that, he absolutely should be, you especially with all your OTT love-in for him designed purely to provoke reactions in here (shock horror) can't just have your little selective performances from him to gloat over and ignore important ones where he is poor.
Chelsea's defence were brilliant so I don't think Danny should get too hard a time, except for that tackle, which was very stupid.
I'm not ignoring it. He was poor today. I'm literally in here because if I wasn't I'd be said to be avoiding this thread. I just don't think it's any fairer to judge him on this game than it is to judge Falcao on his time at United.
It's a shame Cesc saw it coming. Danny's missed him by a mile really.
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It is fair to judge him on this game because he is their main striker. He has to make a difference in matches like this.
If he wants to moan about not being given an opportunity to play through the middle at United then he has to show in big games like this that he deserved a chance.
If he wants to moan about not being given an opportunity to play through the middle at United then he has to show in big games like this that he deserved a chance.
It's hilarious how many so called United fans are suddenly putting one (ex) player above the club.
The same Falcao whose performance is currently getting drilled?
I'm not really seeing many people claiming Welbeck's shit just because of today, just saying he had a poor performance against a big team. I'd imagine if he had a good performance against a big team then people like you would be far, far more on the "look how good he is!" bandwagon in here instead.
Put it this way, the reaction from you lot to his hat-trick at Gala (i.e. Look! He's amazing, I'm basing this on his first ever hat-trick) was way bigger than the reaction to his poor performance today.
Hyp. O. Crite.
Well yes I really like Danny and think he's class. I will be in here when he's doing well as he's a player who I feel a strong emotive feeling for. I feel gutted when he does well, whereas today I'm just buzzing we got three points.
I probably am hypocritical when it comes to football. I think everyone is.
And I'll be here to tell you not to judge him based on that game.
Some opinions in football can be really illogical, it's normal.
Emotions I think have a big part in it. I like that Welbeck is a local lad, and wanted him to succeed, but deep down I always knew he wasn't quite good enough.
Yeah I just think he's class and will prove us wrong.
I don't think anyone's really putting him above the club though. They just really want to see him succeed because he was a local player who worked hard and they rated highly, which is fine.
Still remains to be seen if you're the real deal or just a Brentan like charlatan
People have already done that. The Welbeck detractors tell us we're supposed to ignore Welbeck scoring a hattrick against Gala because they're rubbish but now he's had a bad game against the best team in the league they rush in here to call him rubbish.
Have they?
So basically he will be criticised for everytime he doesn't score and praised every time he scores. It's never black and white. He had a good game but he could have left out that launch. He is currently more useful for Arsenal than van Persie for us
Most aren't, no. But it you read back, there are plenty harping on about how they want him to prove how wrong LvG was to get rid. There are also plenty slagging off Rooney / Falcao / RvP, all in order to build Welbeck up. I personally feel some are taking it way too far. Why would any of our fans want him to now become the 'next Henry' considering he plays for a direct rival? It's baffling. It's almost like some of our fans want Falcao (especially) to fail, in order to hold Danny up on a pedestal. This is only a select few of the 'hardcore Welbz fans' - but it's kinda pathetic.
Look, some seem to have this emotional connection to Danny. I don't have this connection. Maybe it's more people that are from the area that feel this way. For me, he's an ex-player who now plays for a rival. I wish him no ill-will, but I would rather he goes on to become nothing more than an average squad player for Arsenal. Football is ruthless and I no longer want him to do well as he isn't a Manchester United player. That's just my view on it. I liked him when he was here but always felt he had plenty of deficiencies to his game. This has always been my view on him and nothing he has done since leaving has made me change my view.
This thread is just horrific anyway. A hat trick against Galatasary and he's all that, a poor game today and he 'can't be judged on these sort of games'. People will continue to cherry pick what games they want to show that a) it was correct to sell Welbeck b) how it was the worst decision in football.....ever! This will be a perpetual loop.
This fecking thread 
That challenge on Fabregas was disgusting.
That challenge on Fabregas was disgusting.
He isn't world class, obvious he had a poor game when nothing came to him. He will do well over a season.
That's a fair point. Maybe I haven't been in this thread enough, but I think that sort of reaction was a lot worse in the immediate aftermath of the sale, to the extent where we had a thread asking seriously whether it was better for us to have Falcao or Welbeck.
The problem generally is that when he plays well he's hyped to no end, and when he doesn't play well you'll get the occasional comment saying he's useless which sends his fans up in arms. The truth about him lies somewhere in the middle of that, of course.
Now that Falcao has gotten off the mark for us, it may be the case that the people who were unsure about us selling Welbeck start to forget about that since we'll (hopefully) have an array of top class attacking players delivering for us.
He does seem to be a player who provokes a lot of emotions and extreme reactions though.
I dunno, he made plenty of runs where he had some space but Wilshere or Ozil didn't find him with a pass. I could understand why he would begin to drop deeper to stay involved in the game.
Very fair post. I feel his true ability definitely lies somewhere in between the two extremes of him being the next Henry and being completely useless.
He does bring out some crazy emotions on here and this thread is going to be a constant loop throughout the season.
Yeah, I've never seen him as someone who's going to be anywhere near as good a player as Henry. A lot of the belief that he'll suddenly have a world class season and become a top player seems to be based on the fact that Sturridge did when he got a sustained run in the centre for Liverpool, even though they're very different players and Welbeck's inconsistent finishing has often held him back.
But yeah, I can see this being a thread with opinions that change constantly throughout the season depending on how he performs each week. I think he'll score somewhere between 8-15 goals in the league for them this season, depending on how he plays, how much game time he gets etc.
Its a chronic problem with him though. When he plays the lone striker role, which he craves so much, he should try and keep the defenders occupied and not drop deep so often. Especially on a team like Arsenal, where they have a decent midfield playing behind him.
I always viewed him as a good squad player for us but I never would have been comfortable with him being our main man up top. Arsenal are certainly going to rely on him for a-few months due to Giroud's injury and Sanogo being, well, not very good. Will Arsenal fans get tetchy with him at any point if they are struggling and Welbeck is misfiring? It's not beyond the realms of possibility as they are a notoriously fickle bunch. I think they are desperate for him to be the next best thing as a two fingers to us. That will soon wear off if he struggles for any sustained period of time. I'm shocked at how the media have suddenly decided that he's brilliant since he left us. When he was here he was a much maligned player who would face regular criticism. The whole thing so far is leading this to become one of the most bizarre transfers ever. People are using so many different angles on it, it's crazy.
Sturridge was definitely the exception to the rule. Generally the selling club gets vindicated in these sort of deals. That's reasonable, I would probably envisage him scoring something similar, myself.
Decent on paper, not on the pitch against Chelsea. Not saying Welbeck was any good either, but I lost count of how many times in the first half the Arsenal midfield lost possession whilst Danny was pulling into space either behind the back 4 or out wide. Staying up where he wasn't getting any supply wouldn't have changed anything at all I don't think.
Congratulations Sir. Terrific post.
Went missing for large parts of the game today.
And that challenge on Fabregas was disgusting.
And that challenge on Fabregas was disgusting.
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