Well I would have kept him and played him. I have said this all along
If it came to the crunch and he still wanted out I stil lwouldnt have sold him to a rival
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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If it came to the crunch and he still wanted out I stil lwouldnt have sold him to a rival
I'm sure every United fan on the planet would be absolutely delighted if RvP and Falcao both go on to have vastly superior seasons to Welbeck over the next few seasons (apart from, maybe, the oddballs taking conspicuous delight in every goal he scores for Arsenal?). They certainly have better cvs than he does so we really shouldn't be too worried.
Remains to be seen how it all pans out. Personally, I can't shake the nagging suspicion he will outscore at least one of them this season, with their relative ages meaning that it will be a recurring theme in the years ahead. Which will be incredibly annoying.
That makes no sense
Veron?
Falcao is the better striker, no question but letting Welbeck leave was always going to haunt us. He's still young and has pace what all our other striker lack. I am still annoyed, we let a manchester born player leave. I can't get over it!
I'd rather have him alongside Rooney or Falcao in 2 man attack than van Persie who is less and less involved in the gamne. He is still scoring, ok, but the movement and interplay Welbz would have offerd had opened spaces for others. It's frightening how much we lack pace. When di Maria is out we have no pace at all.
I'd rather have him alongside Rooney or Falcao in 2 man attack than van Persie who is less and less involved in the gamne. He is still scoring, ok, but the movement and interplay Welbz would have offerd had opened spaces for others. It's frightening how much we lack pace. When di Maria is out we have no pace at all.
Everyone says this, and it's likely to happen, but Welbeck's playing as the lone striker for Arsenal, a team who, let's face it, create infinitely more chances than us (he's still missed far more easy chances than he's scored, so far), especially against lower teams. He's also likely to play more games too. I'm expecting him to score more, but it means little.
Even if we'd told them to feck off until January we could have had them out of the CL race by Christmas.
Ulloa has 5, Chadli 4 etc. That doesn't mean that these players will keep up. FFS, Bendtner scored 4 or 5 in a game on UCL.
I still keep my opinion on Welbeck until being proven wrong. A good, but massively overrated player. He won't be the next Henry, he won't even be the next Sturridge. A good and versatile backup for Arsenal when Giroud and Walcott return from their injuries. With him wanting to leave, selling him was the right decision.
Thats a decent example. But not the same
He was half the player when we sold him on, also it was pre Jose Chelsea, so at that moment were not a title rival for Utd
This. Falcao at Arsenal would outscore Danny. Don't know what relevance that holds at all. He didn't score enough for us to merit a first team place so we moved him on. Annoyingly to Arsenal but feck it. I'm so over him.
We had a similar conversation. Maybe he'll outscore Falcao or RVP or Rooney (which could happen since our 3 strikers will share their share of goals and Welbeck will play a lone striker) or all of them combined (which I doubt but what do I know) and maybe it will happen in the future but as long as we get CL spot this year and improve in the next years it wont matter really. Its not the end of the world, Falcao, Rooney and RVP wont retire tomorrow and we have young Wilson in our ranks too so maybe we wont even need to buy a new striker once one of the existing ones retires.
It isn't like for like though. Maybe Welbeck scores 30 and RVP and Falcao score 20 each. He'd outscored both of them but overall we are still better off.
It was a combination of few factors. Welbeck has been more of a workhorse forward for us and perhaps not had the opportunity to develop his own game. Looking at records and team influence, you normally wouldn't have put him ahead of Rooney and RVP. So his chances were few and unfortunately he fluffed a lot of them.
He finally lost patience with the lack of playtime and if you were Welbeck, seeing Di Maria and Falcao come in you'd be certain to want to move on and gain more play time elsewhere.
The club logically wouldn't want to sell to a key rival but the balance is between what's on the table and what's best for the player. Perhaps there were other clubs but Welbeck chose Arsenal. I think we did the right thing for the player but not necessarily for the team.
It was a combination of few factors. Welbeck has been more of a workhorse forward for us and perhaps not had the opportunity to develop his own game. Looking at records and team influence, you normally wouldn't have put him ahead of Rooney and RVP. So his chances were few and unfortunately he fluffed a lot of them.
He finally lost patience with the lack of playtime and if you were Welbeck, seeing Di Maria and Falcao come in you'd be certain to want to move on and gain more play time elsewhere.
The club logically wouldn't want to sell to a key rival but the balance is between what's on the table and what's best for the player. Perhaps there were other clubs but Welbeck chose Arsenal. I think we did the right thing for the player but not necessarily for the team.
Who would you drop?
van Persie.
It's absolutely hilarious really. While he was here, he was always lumped into the same category as Cleverley and slated. Now he's the next Henry after a hat trick against a wank Galatasary side
Yeah, its just ABUs trying to find something to bash us about.It's absolutely hilarious really. While he was here, he was always lumped into the same category as Cleverley and slated. Now he's the next Henry after a hat trick against a wank Galatasary side
If he keeps doing what he is doing its going to be pretty good ammunition in fairness. And the club would deserve the stick it gets
Who starts for Arsenal if Giroud returns tomorrow?
Not a chance, for me he would have been fourth choice. RVP is getting back to form, once he's in full flow he is far superior to Welbeck.
It's so f*cking tedious, it really is.
If you read Fergie's book, very often he tried to find good places for our own young lads to go if they don't make it here.
Who knows? Maybe it was just Arsenal and say, QPR? United can't sell to QPR if Welbeck doesn't agree. Maybe QPR offered 7 million and Arsenal offered much more.
Perhaps he wanted an out and specifically wanted Arsenal? I mean, think about RVP. He has said that Man City was in for him too, but his heart was set on us so Wenger had little choice to sell to us. Contrast Vermaelen this year, Wenger sold him to Barca instead. Maybe Vermaelen wasn't resolute about the club he was joining and just wanted out.
tbh this season I think Danny will end up fitting into the classic Arsenal season trajectory.
In the first few months both will score plenty as Arsenal dispatch poor teams at home by cricket scores, and pull out a couple of good wins over the big boys, at which point Wenger will claim that Arsenal/Welbeck now have the maturity and mental strength required to win the league.
Then, when the going gets tough in spring, both Arsenal and Welbeck will retreat into their shells, with Arsenal crumbling in tough matches and Welbeck missing the single chance he gets in a game.
The real worry is in two to three seasons' time when we're having to replace RvP and Falcao & Rooney are into their thirties. If Welbeck turns out to be decent he'll be firing at the very same time that our front line gets old & creaking. As you say, that'll be annoying.
Why though, LVG didn't rate him higher than the players we have, he was never going to be first choice.
He's had one good game and people are comparing him to Henry, before he was being compared to Bambi.
He's not good enough to start for United and a hattrick vs Galata doesn't change that.
Also this thread is the worst on the forum, and has some absolutely shocking posts.
Also this thread is the worst on the forum, and has some absolutely shocking posts.
Playing as a lone striker vs playing as part of a partnership doesn't mean all that much. Some of the most prolific strikers in the history of the PL have played as one of two up top. In terms of competition for places, Danny definitely has the harder task once Giroud and Sanogo are fit with three of them vying for the same slot (not to mention Wenger apparently seeing Sanchez and Walcott as an option through the middle) Conversely, Van Gaal seems determined to play both Falcao and Van Persie in every single game, whenever they're available. Don't see that changing any time soon.
But yeah, the number of games played will obviously be relevant in terms of who scores the most goals. Injuries will also play a part. Like I said, a lot remains to be seen. In terms of Arsenal definitely creating more chances, if that's the case we might as well concede a CL slot to them right now. God knows we won't be getting in the top four because of our defensive resilience!
Not really, because our strikers are far more likely to put away the chances we create.
Oh and I'm fairly confident Arsenal will finish 3rd anyway so we won't be conceding a CL spot to them. We're battling for 4th and given how shit Liverpool, Spurs and Everton are doing so far, I'm optimistic.
As long as our strikers keep scoring I wont care. We dont have a problem scoring goals right now.
I guess, in two-three years time, a striker better than Welbeck might become available. Personally, I don't think that Welbeck would ever become as good as to be the leading striker for a club who competes for all trophies, but I may be wrong. Let's see. Even if he does a Sturridge (which I think that it is unlikely considering that Sturridge is better at everything bar the workrate) it still won't be enough to become our leading striker. And I really doubt that he'll ever become as good as Rooney, RVP or Falcao at their best, which I think is the level we should aim for when we replace them.
It is all hindsight really. If Veron had gone on to shine for Chelsea we would have looked liked Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. If RVP has flopped for us in his first season, Wenger would have been a genius for offloading a striker past his peak.
What we can conclude now is that the sale of Welbeck to Arsenal was probably the most optimal (not best) path considering the demands of each party and whatever was offered on the table.
What we can conclude now is that the sale of Welbeck to Arsenal was probably the most optimal (not best) path considering the demands of each party and whatever was offered on the table.
If Arsenal finish third we are, by definition, conceding a CL spot to them. They get CL football and we have one less slot available to us.
Anyway, I'm relatively optimistic about us going forwards. I don't think Arsenal will create "infinitely" more chances than us. I certainly hope they don't. With the addition of Di Maria and Herrera, Mata in his second season and Rooney looking really sharp creating chances really shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention that strikers can help with the creation of chances. Danny's movement, pace and work-rate was a big factor in us creating more chances whenever he played centrally at United. Falcao looks to be doing something similar in his first couple of games at United, although probably more down to guile rather than raw athleticism.
I agree chances won't be a problem, yeah, just that right now they do, but we're a team of new players adjusting.
I assumed you meant we'd be conceding a spot in the CL and finishing outside top four cause of them, fair enough, I still think without Welbeck they'd finish in a CL spot though, this is Arsenal and Arsene we're talking about. Never finished outside the top four and they've done it with far worse squads than the one they currently have. Having Welbeck is more likely to be the difference between them finishing 4th and finishing 3rd, possibly even 2nd.
I think losing Giroud for 3 months was a real hammer blow for Arsenal. They really dodged a bullet last season by him never getting injured. Without him, they would have been in deep shit over the next two or three months. Could easily have meant them slipping out of the top four. My preferences for how the club could have handles this would have been, in order:
1. Don't sell him.
2. Don't sell him to Arsenal
3. Don't sell him to Arsenal this transfer window
It just feels like we handed them a get out of jail card when we could have really fecked them over. Which is frustrating.
It's funny how Rooney's hat-trick against Fenerbache was seen as something really special but Danny's goals against Gala are played down 'cause of the opponent. He's been a threat in each game I've seen this season and now he's scored four goals in five games.
Happy for the boy.
Happy for the boy.
It's incredible really how a player who has a decent scoring record when consistantly played as a striker, is now scoring goals when consistantly played as a striker.
I mean, who could possibly have seen this coming?
I mean, who could possibly have seen this coming?
Like I said, selling Welbeck wasn't an issue for me, and he wanted to go, I don't think we could stop it happening, but I definitely agree that selling him to Arsenal was the wrong move. You should never strengthen rivals, it's crazy.
Ha? No he doesn't. His only decent spell was the 5 in 6 last season, unless you actually think 6 games are enough to constitute a decent goal-scoring 'record'. Obviously it's hard to know unless he plays 20-30 games up top and that never really happened but I strongly disagree that you can say he had a decent record based on his time at Utd.
Right now Welbeck is proving himself superior to both RVP and Falcao, and players are being judged on paper alone right now. As soon as the latter two start playing as well as they can things change because obviously their peaks in their careers so far are way higher. It starts getting a bit odd when people are constantly saying X is so much better than Y despite Y outscoring them and putting in better performances.
Rooney was 18, Welbeck is 24.kopviolWelders ost: 16547848 said:
There's also England to take into acount - and considering he's never played consistantly up front, what else can you base it on? That spell for us, plus 2011-2012 (where for a young striker he had a decent record - not amazing or anything, just decent) and his games for England, is about all you can really base it on.
I would say you can't base it on anything, isn't that obvious? Until he plays up front for at least a full season you really can't say anything about his record. He had 29 goals in 142 games for us!
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