Welbeck has only played 3 league games for Arsenal so I'm not sure how you've arrived at 0.2/match. Unless you're counting the 47 minutes he played in 2 substitute appearances for Manchester United, which would seem a bit odd seeing as we're talking about Welbeck in the Arsenal team.
Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Why? Do you think that that the likes of Senderos, Baptista, Santos were good players before moving to Arsenal?
Mail trolling Liverpool fans now...
Mario Balotelli and Danny Welbeck moved for £16million with a point to prove... but already the evidence suggests Arsenal have a bargain while Liverpool have trouble
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-bargain-Liverpool-trouble.html#ixzz3EzBV1ZBI
Mario Balotelli and Danny Welbeck moved for £16million with a point to prove... but already the evidence suggests Arsenal have a bargain while Liverpool have trouble
- Mario Balotelli and Danny Welbeck both moved for £16million
- Balotelli has had a disappointing start to his Liverpool career
- Welbeck, however, has impressed after signing for Arsenal
- Liverpool lost 1-0 against Basle with misfiring Balotelli up front while Arsenal beat Galatasaray 4-1 courtesy of Welbeck hat-trick
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-bargain-Liverpool-trouble.html#ixzz3EzBV1ZBI
The guy mentioned Bendtner's hatrick against Porto which also happens to be the last time Falcao played in the CL. You're the one who seems to have take offence and comparing him to Welbeck.
You lot still owe us after we let RvP join!!!
That's because fans like to hang up a players CV as a way of proving a player is better despite not realising that players can peak at different times in their career. Think it's a bit odd that so many on here think a 31 year old injury plagued striker can regain his peak form. Blind faith?
I also agree that currently Welbeck is in the best form and that to me was obvious given his pre season form when he looked so sharp and made our attack click together. The difference in play when he wasn't on the pitch was frightening.
Well common mistakes for Arsenal fans these days. You know Welbeck existed before Arsenal, he was that shity player at United. Last year Arsenal fans were saying he need be replaced because we lack quality in first team which players like Cleverley and Welbeck (common examples last year) lack.
Yes this shit player is your new Henry and he even played 2 matches in PL for us this season. Unsurprisingly he didn't scored.
Welbeck isn't a "shit" player. You're making yourself look daft.
It's not hard when you read his posts tbf, I just think it's part of his dna.
What?
Which Arsenal fan said United needed to replace Welbeck? Why would anyone say that when he was barely even starting?
A very convenient get-out clause which can be used for every single poor signing made by any manager ever.
It's also completely undermined by players who looked better at clubs other than Arsenal before/after playing under Wenger. Gervinho being the most obvious recent example.
Well if you would read the rest of my posts you would found out that i rate Welbeck. He is not very good striker and maybe he would improved infront of the goal but he is good in other aspects of the game - buildup, pressing, maintaining possesion...
I just highlighted that Arsenal fans (and others) were saying he is shit last year and that we would not be even near top 4 with players like Welbeck this season (until they signed him).
I was saying generaly. A have at least 5 friends who are Arsenal fans and they always said that he is not good enough and never will be. Yesterday all f them were saying thanks for the new HenryWhat?
Which Arsenal fan said United needed to replace Welbeck? Why would anyone say that when he was barely even starting?
I was saying generaly. A have at least 5 friends who are Arsenal fans and they always said that he is not good enough and never will be. Yesterday all f them were saying thanks for the new Henry
Get new friends
Yeah that was me, no offence. Don't take it personally.
Lots of rival supporters think our players are shit and have done so for years, even when we were winning title after title. They were wrong then and many Arsenal supporters, from the tasters they have seen so far, will be the first to admit they didn't give Welbeck's game the credit it deserved while at United. He will be a good player for them and I think, as I always have done, he'll turn out to be a very, very good centre forward. It's all in his hands - or feet, to be more apt - now.
Well if football view would be a criteria who will be my friend i would be very lonely person...
edit: i have friends who support Arsenal, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus... and for some odd reason they all hate United
Nothing to do with how I rate players but to do with the first line being an excuse. I don't have to read the rest of the post to know where it's going.
Fergie improved all players by 50% except for those who didn't want to improve.
It's life. We've all been in relationships that have ended cause we want different things, footballs no different. He's in another relationship and so are we. Time will tell whether it was a good decision or not.....
I know. When i was saying in 2007-08 that Carrick and Fletcher are pretty good midfielders they all laughed. United players are very underrated for years.
He is very good in everything apart from scoring which is the most important thing for a striker. I understand LVG who probably thought he will never be as good as United striker should be (very high standard tbh).
That's not true though. His stats last season proves he's actually very good at scoring (when played as a flipping CF).
This was already discussed to many times i believe. Let's put it this way, every player is in good form from time to time but this doesn't mean he is very good at something.
On the other hand there are many evidence that he is not as good as he should be infront of the goal or at least he wasn't. Too many missed chances. He scored a hattrick yesterday but lets see if he will maintain that scoring form in PL.
If you look at only 6 games, and then ignore his other 4 years of his career, then you may have a point.
It's not discussed at all. You ignore valid points because it doesn't fit with your argument that he's a bad striker and instead push the argument that he's only scored 1 goal in 3 games for Arsenal. Whereas the data that I've provided from last season is a larger pool of games and therefore more accurate to make a logical assumption about a players ability.
13 games played as a CF, 916mins, 8 goals scored, 3.1 shots per game, 1.5 shots on target, 46.9% shots on target, 25% conversion rate.
That is not a bad striker. What that tells you is that he's actually a very good striker. A very good striker who was often played out of position to accommodate others. It's like saying that Phil Jones is a rubbish CB because he's shit at playing as a RB. It's utterly flawed "evidence".
He's a young player Revan. If you expect a finished, polished player at the age of 18 then you're dreaming. Especially considering the lack of game time Danny got and Sir Alexs persistence to play him as a wide forward rather than upfront. Which is a position that I've already shown he's atrocious at.
Still, I don't know how these stats prove anything about his finishing ability (which is his main problem). Why should all the chances he missed when he played as a wide forward/inside striker (not a winger) should be dismissed? A goalscoring oppurtunity is a goalscoring oppurtunity regardless if you are playing as a main striker or as a wide striker, and Welbeck has shown that he is pretty crap at it.
Well, it's not a surprise that a player starts to show his true potential when given faith and played in his favourite position / role.
He's still young too, might bloom into a better than decent striker. Time will tell I suppose.
He's still young too, might bloom into a better than decent striker. Time will tell I suppose.
He is almost 24, matey. The likes of Ronaldo(s), Owen and Messi had won Ballon D'Or on his age. Rooney, RVN, Torres, Aguero and co were considered as the best strikers on the world when they were 23-24. You may have the odd counterargument (like Drogba who started his education on football much later) but still the majority of WC strikers were way better than Welbeck when they were his age. That's not to say that Welbeck won't become a very good player (I think he will) but I have seen nothing so far to think that exists even a small chance that he'll become a WC striker, something that we should aim for a starting position.
It tells you everything about his finishing ability. It tells you that 25% of his shots go in the net (that is one of the highest in the league last season and highest at United). Compare that to his 0% conversion rate as a wide forward last season and you might work out where the problem is.
Yes it was discussed on numerous occasions in many threads about Welbeck. I think the conclusion was that there was more than 13 games but people don't include those because he didn't scored in them if i remember correctly. I might be wrong.
As i said one good run of form don't mean that he is a very good striker. Ulloa scored 5 goals in 6 matches, is he a world class striker?
And i included this season stats because one poster said that he is better player than RVP and Falcao right now so i used recent stats. As i said he could become very good striker but he wasn't for us. He missed many 100% chances for United. Very good players yes but not a very good striker.
tbf he scored 3 yesterday and lets see if he will maintain that form.
It is an extremely small sample to make any conclusion. Statisticians would eat you for dinner if you try to make a conclusion based on 13 data. He has to prove that he can do (much) better than 1 on 5 (his career average) for a significant period of time (like a full season or so) in order to be labelled as a really good striker.It tells you everything about his finishing ability. It tells you that 25% of his shots go in the net (that is one of the highest in the league last season and highest at United). Compare that to his 0% conversion rate as a wide forward last season and you might work out where the problem is.
The thing to remember is even if Welbeck turns out to be decent (or better) for Arsenal, that doesn't mean he'd be decent for United. The last 6 years of his development suggest that playing sporadically and sometimes out of position has lead to practically no development. This combined with the fact that only an idiot or academy idealist would trade one of our current 3 forward player's for Welbeck leads to only one decision: let him go.
If Rooney, Falcao and RVP turn to shit in 3 years and Welbeck has flourished into a World Class forward player, we'll buy him back for probably £30m more than we sold him for. I would merely think of that extra £30m as nothing more than a development fee. Van Gaal will not have the patience to turn a mediocre centre forward into a World Class one over a 3-5 year period, as it would probably cost him his job before the period were up. Our plan now is to bring in established player's and to get back to where we should be, Welbeck as it stands isn't a player to help us do that.
On a final note people blasting LVG for "selling to a rival" need to wake up. Van Gaal wouldn't be the manager he is if he saw a team who have finished 3 positions and 15 points behind his ultimate aim on average over the last 6 years as a "rival". City and Chelsea are our rivals going forward, not Arsenal/Liverpool (albeit that we have to get ahead of one of them this season). Where does this "rival" tag end? Spurs? Everton? So'ton? Villa?
I don't know why people overlook this on a constant basis.
Rooney was bought for 30m Revan and played in his preferred position for much of his early career at United. Danny was a youth product who was continually loaned out and then when he did get his chance at United often played out of position on the left.
I actually blame Sir Alex when it comes to our young players. Too many of our young players were played out of position to give them experience. Jones/Smalling are awful RB's, we all know this yet they were played out there rather than at CB. I think it's actually harmed their development not helped and I think it's the same case for Danny.
Last season highlights this with Danny in particular with his drastic change of form when played as a wide forward and when played as a CF. It becomes pretty clear which position he's good at and which position he isn't. 1 win in 10 games as a wide forward... 0 goals scored! You don't need to be an expert in football management to work out that he's rubbish at it.
People seem to be assuming he'll be first choice for them in two to three years. For all we know by then, Arsene might finally decide to bring in a world-class striker instead of spunking £40m on midfielders they don't need. I know, I know, hard to imagine, but it's possible.
You picked the wrong one to prove your point. He was playing all over the place (wing, striker, number 10) in his career at United and always scored and assist alot.Rooney was bought for 30m Revan and played in his preferred position for much of his early career at United. Danny was a youth product who was continually loaned out and then when he did get his chance at United often played out of position on the left.
I actually blame Sir Alex when it comes to our young players. Too many of our young players were played out of position to give them experience. Jones/Smalling are awful RB's, we all know this yet they were played out there rather than at CB. I think it's actually harmed their development not helped and I think it's the same case for Danny.
Last season highlights this with Danny in particular with his drastic change of form when played as a wide forward and when played as a CF. It becomes pretty clear which position he's good at and which position he isn't. 1 win in 10 games as a wide forward... 0 goals scored! You don't need to be an expert in football management to work out that he's rubbish at it.
edit: didn't se the early part but still he played a lot on the wing and compete with the strikers like Van Nisterlooy and Solskjær. At 22 he played most of his games on the wing.
Rooney was constantly played out of position up until he was 23/24. That's a really poor example.
Or, of course by that time Welbeck is that world class striker for them.
I ignored that possibility because it's probably never going to happen.
Disagree actually Revan. It's a good sample because the minutes played as a wide forward and as a striker are fairly even so it gives a decent comparison to Danny in both positions over the same stage of his career.
Why you're trying to say that data 4 years ago is relevant is beyond me considering that 4 years in football is huge not only for a young players development but for a team as a whole. Danny only started 1 game as a CF in 12/13 season for example.
Football isn't about what a player did 4/5 years ago. Would you be happy buying a striker that scored 30 goals 4 years ago but since then scored 10 a season? Of course not. Football is a pretty short term game. Most players have 8 years of playing at the top level.
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