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Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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Err it's a new manager in a new league, coming in at tumultuous times, with a massive need for change and who's still getting used to the squad. One can't expect him to be ultra gung-ho and chuck all the young ones onto the pitch rightaway. Wilson's injury issues haven't helped but his time will come. There's a reason why he was preferred to Danny.
The choice between Welbeck and Falcao was rather simple. On one hand you have a player with good potential but one who has flaws in decision making and was yet to fully make a mark on the team. It's easy to look at it in short termist hindsight and critique the manager's decision but it was justified. Because on the other hand you have a proven, world class striker albeit one who's coming off an injury and needs matches to find his shooting range. The difference between them was and is like night and day. Like trading Smalling for Thiago Silva.
Welbeck's had a good game. Wish him well but you'd want consistency, so let's hold our horses a bit. This isn't the time to be tie the manager's head to a flagpost for selling him. Falcao has played very few games and is still a bit rusty. One wishes for him to come good but one thing's for certain - throwing a strop is of no use. The player's gone and there are two choices. Move on or complain and make a fuss about it every time he scores. Simples.
Couldn't care less if they had Sanogo by the way. We gotta do what we gotta do. Other clubs don't matter. As long as United is moving in the right direction, that's fine by me. And before you bring it up, it's early days and there's not a big enough sample size to judge Van Gaal. This time last season Perez was a donkey for selling Ozil but look how that turned out. Let's look back in 2 years' time and see if the decision was correct. Not kneejerk on the basis of couple of good performances by Danny. If he's great by then and Falcao sinks, then there's a genuine reason to complain.
Meh... Arsenal has always won the games they are supposed to win, while failing completely once things get a little tough. The moment Welbeck starts to consistently win games against Chelsea, City, Liverpool or us, I might raise an eyebrow. But only then.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Welbeck will never be United starting XI quality. He is however an excellent backup striker. But is that enough for him? Hardly.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Welbeck will never be United starting XI quality. He is however an excellent backup striker. But is that enough for him? Hardly.
I may have no great love for the Gooners, but am genuinely pleased for Welbeck.
Good game from him today. Said before, he's probably going to become a good player there. Rooney, RvP or Falcao level? Highly unlikely. That's why he's not at United. He wouldn't get to that level if he stayed at United anyways, because he wouldn't get enough games to develop enough. That's all there is to it. Wasn't young enough to keep him at the club as a back up choice and hope he turns class, but not good enough to force his way into the starting 11.
Ah, Rene from 'Allo 'Allo, great judge of a striker.
just seen his interview and he said he forgot the match ballYou are ... no i will not say it, it would be stupid to get banned because of you.
edit: do you really think you are funny. I am not so good in english and i have to check almost every word on google if it is right but i do it because i want to post here. And then i take the short cut and write just Rene instead of Meulensteen and you jump on my back. Please just ignore me.
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It might help to clear the decks somewhat.
He has 4 already, after what you'd think had been a disastrous start for him if you've read this thread recently.... We'll have to see what happens when Giroud gets back I guess but he should easily get 15.
Lighten up.The serious point is that Meulenstein bought the monster Kostas Mitroglou to save Fulham from relegation (and his job).
It's hardly a brave claim you're making. He's one player in a squad of 20+ that it takes to win the league, Arsenal have been trailing behind United, City and Chelsea for years, because they can't compete financially for starters. Van Persie couldn't fire them to a title either, and we know he's obviously he's good enough to start for a title winning team.
Delighted for the lad, well done. Zup zup.
My opinion of Danny Welbeck hasn't changed, I'll keep repeating myself... A couple of months ago I would've said he'll never be good enough to be Manchester United's main striker, I still believe this. Also, van Persie is a world class striker, Danny Welbeck isn't.
Massively chuffed for the lad. And feeling very smug myself as one of his many steadfast fans on here. He has always had the ingredients to be a truly superb player, and it was inexplicable that the inconsistency of his finishing somehow made people blind to his ball control, his dribbling, his creativity, his pace and power and attitude and work-rate... and basically his otherwise near-perfect set of qualities.
None of which is to say that this one great performance means he's there and he's done it. But the signs have been there in his previous games for Arsenal, and we've always known that his problems with finishing and last-pass decision making are to do with confidence, so a good performance like this will make further good performances more likely.
Plus he's only just at the start of a long-term run as the starting striker, which was yet another thing that we all knew he badly needed (and was never going to get at United due to the incredible strength of our forward department). So I can only see good things for him this season.
Everyone wins, as far as I'm concerned. The lad deserves all the success he gets. These days I like to see Arsenal doing well, especially in the CL given that we're not involved. And while I'd love him still to be at United, the club haven't really lost out because it's clear now that he was never going to get this sort of real chance to shine for us.
None of which is to say that this one great performance means he's there and he's done it. But the signs have been there in his previous games for Arsenal, and we've always known that his problems with finishing and last-pass decision making are to do with confidence, so a good performance like this will make further good performances more likely.
Plus he's only just at the start of a long-term run as the starting striker, which was yet another thing that we all knew he badly needed (and was never going to get at United due to the incredible strength of our forward department). So I can only see good things for him this season.
Everyone wins, as far as I'm concerned. The lad deserves all the success he gets. These days I like to see Arsenal doing well, especially in the CL given that we're not involved. And while I'd love him still to be at United, the club haven't really lost out because it's clear now that he was never going to get this sort of real chance to shine for us.
Oh noes, now Manchester United will crumble to the ground and will cease to exist b/c Welbeck scored a hat trick against a Turkish team!!!
Amen brother.
Until further notice, I have never heard about a non-movement clause in a footballer's contract. IMHO, we should have sold him to any team from a different league as LVG was serious about selling him.
Reckon he will hit 20 this season, 25 next.
Yeah, every right to reject Arsenal bids, like Liverpool did with Suarez, or we did with Rooney/Chelsea.
That said, I guess this is part of Van Gaal's "we have to do what's right for the player too" philosophy(actually surprised we didn't accept the lowball Cleverley bid from Everton). Arsenal is a fantastic move for him, far better than Spurs or whoever.
I dont get this. Why do people always go to extreme and use it as straw man to validate their point?? The player is 23 years old. We do not know whether he'll be world class or not. And nobody is calling him world class right now.
Happy for the lad, a hatrick in Europe is always a big achievement, against a shite Turkish team, but whatever.
Must this thread be bumped every goal he scores for the Gooners now though? it's already getting tedious.
Must this thread be bumped every goal he scores for the Gooners now though? it's already getting tedious.
van Persie hasn't been world-class for well over a year and at 31 may never be again.
I can still have an opinion on a player I've seen the past six years.
This thread will be bumped every time he does anything for them, good or bad.
Grow up.
He fired us into the CL quarter finals with a hatrick just last season. He's still very much capable of world class performances and will prove it again sooner than later IMO.
I've been saying that for a while Pete but people have got their blinkers on. I'd have benched RvP and started Danny this season if I was in charge. He's looked ready to the lead the line for a while now and looked very sharp in pre season until his injury. You got a bargain from us tbh.
We should judge him on his individual performances though, no? You're pre-emptively trying to claim Arsenal's lack of league titles will be proof enough Welbeck isn't up to the level we need. Yet a striker who also couldn't "fire Arsenal to the title" is.
I don't think he was criticizing your English.
I thought you were pulling our plonker and the deal would collapse at 11.59pm due to some late invented 'issue' over payment terms or some other pretext. When you see Long going for £12m and Lukaku for £28m, you have to say it's a ridiculous steal (without factoring in our lack of any credible striker until January). Why on earth did you do it?
I don't get people who come in here to attack others for bumping the thread. Last time I checked this is the Danny Welbeck thread, we will post in here whenever we have something to say about the player, which mostly happens after we've seen him play. This is common sense stuff.
I assume it's because we felt charitable. Or we're shit at selling players. Actually I think it's the latter.
What does this prove?
of course you can but the manner in which you are trying to justify your point is irrational.
Thats like a RM(in 2000) fan saying "well we let Eto go b/c Raul is world class and Eto will never be that".... see how much sense that makes??
Will everything positive he does be met with sarcasm? It's quite sad that people use this to dampen anything good he does and then rip the shit out of him when he makes a mistake. I think the people who think he is a good player or/and think he will become a very good one in the future accept his flaws. The other side (if you can call it that) genuinely have this hope he will fail and that anything good he does is a fluke. 'Oh, I bet he will miss next game though'. Yeah, so do most players playing themselves into a role they didn't get enough time in when they were younger (or breaking through at least).
Slightly more than a hattrick against Galatasaray does.
I do not agree with that. You have to understand where LVG is coming from. He has to get us into the top 4. He cannot put all his hopes into an unproven 23 year old striker. Especially with a team as unbalanced as ours.
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