If we'll be better then them in the long run and have better players up front who will care?
Especially if he wont be a top striker in the future some expect him to be.
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If we'll be better then them in the long run and have better players up front who will care?
Especially if he wont be a top striker in the future some expect him to be.
If we don't get CL spot it will be because we have been seriously inept on the playing field and in the buying of a good central defender not because we sold Danny Welbeck.Have people such short memories that it's because we have failed defensively that a lot of our problems stem from.Danny Welbeck has feck all to do with it
This is why I hated Welbeck's departure to Arsenal, him leaving is one thing and understandable from his perspective but to join a rival ?? Never made sense whatsoever. Stupid mistake IMHO
As long as we don't miss out to Arsenal for 4th then I won't be arsed, but I think we will both make it anyway. i still think it was baffling to give arsenal a lifeline when they were in deep shit though.
I agree but expect people to blame everything on us selling Danny.
People are already calling LVG daft and similar...
As you said right now we dont have any problem going forward..
I'm sorry but life isn't that black and white for me, he's been here for ages and i'll always wish him well, i could easily separate between my feelings for arsenal and welbeck, maybe it's difficult for you but it's not a problem for me at all.
Great hat-trick from Danny tonight. Very well taken goals. He's in some good company when it comes to English players scoring a hat-trick in the CL.
Could care less about what Arsenal do. I don't mind seeing Welbeck flourish there, but its completely up to us to make the CL. If we don't qualify based on our own performances, then we likely won't deserve it.
BBC wont let it go.
The main difference I can see is that I don't have "feelings" for players as individuals, seeing as I don't know any of them. They're just professionals, paid to play for football clubs. Some clubs I support, some I don't.
Each to his own, though, like you say.
No it's not a mistake, he wasn't wanted here and deserved to get his wish, arsenal were the only CL club interested in him, why ruin his chances of joining a good club? is this how we repay his loyalty? we don't want you and we don't want your success to hurt us so please do us a favor and join a shitty club instead.
Selling Welbeck was the right thing to do.
Selling Welbeck to Arsenal wasn't.
Selling Welbeck to Arsenal wasn't.
It's couldn't care less, surely?
Anyway, this idea that a club's final league placing is somehow independent of the performance/results of other clubs around them is just fecking barmy.
Basically yes, exactly that.
Obviously the really smart move was keeping him but why compound the error by strengthening a rival? Utter lunacy.
Bentner scored a hattrick against Porto, a much better team, look what happened to him.
Bloody Americans say it wrong.
In two minds about Welbz. Always liked him even if he didn't quite do it for us. But, he didn't even bother with a message for us fans when he left. Not bothered what he does for Arsenal, as long as it's not against us!
But agreed with the posters that say top four is all in our hands...
But agreed with the posters that say top four is all in our hands...
This must be what Arsenal felt like when David Bentley scored a Hattrick against us.
Bendtner's shit though.
Anyone who's followed Welbeck's career closely knows he has miles more talent and an infinitely better attitude than that useless Danish cnut.
You're correct, American English for ya!
Because he's a human being mate, you can feck people over like that. He did his part and wasn't wanted, he deserved to get his wish. You could make an argument for keeping him but forcing a move on him isn't ok.
It was pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that selling Welbeck to Arsenal was a f*cking stupid thing to do.
Don't think any gooners regretted letting him go, so more comparable with Forlan going great guns in La Liga. Which didn't cause much heartache amongst United fans. It's the fact this was so damn predictable that really grips my shit.
He's an exceptionally wealthy young man earning an absolute fortune playing a sport he loves. My conscience could cope with the club denying him his preferred move!
Long and short of it now.
Don't particularly want him to fail, but couldn't give a damn if he is successful for them either.
Let's see if he can do it consistently for the rest of the season before we definitely say that selling him to Arsenal is a mistake. We know he blows hot and cold, so let's wait and see...
Still very confident we won't regret selling to Arsenal.
Just as the glaring misses and comical air shots of the last few weeks have been. I really want to be happy for Danny, but the massive drama queens are making it hard. What's even more predictable though is this thread. Overenthusiastic gloating when he's shit, melodramatic whining when he's good. And we're only 6 games into the season. It certainly makes it hard to be impartial.
Which proves the point scoring a champs league hattrick doesn't make you a good player.
Yep, couldn't care less.
As for Welbeck, if we can't get into the CL independent of what Arsenal or what other clubs do, then its all on us.
lazy to find the real stats but I guess his goal ratio mins per match is not that bad... and who the cares about how many chances he misses, most of these chances he misses are specifically made by his powerful running and clever play. He just makes chances about what Rooney, Falcao and Van Persie can only dream off.. and he scored hattrick today how many goals do you want from a striker per match? Sometimes he looks little bit clumsy and without composure when finishing but its simply because he works hard through the whole match and its like that. Or you can have Van Persie who joggs all match and waits for his chance who may never come, you decide. I always liked striker who can make chances himself and the more he can make it the more he is a striker finishing is the second aspect but the chance creation whatever you call it is as important for me and if he helps the team with pressing winning the ball back than its even more fantastic.. There was a statistics BTW - Ballotelli has one goal from last 66 shots, and after tonight its even worse for him, that's fecking hilarious and someone would say he is better striker. not a chance, I saw him in 4 matches this season and he wastes chance after chance, he is ridiculously bad at converting chances but he makes chances for himself and its a matter of time when he will start to score goals, anyway he will be back in serie A soon, his attitude is another issue for him... then compare the prices, welbeck is absolute steal for Arsenal. Not that it was completely reaction on your comment.-)
He wasn't going to be first choice here. He's a product of our youth system and has been loyal to the cause. Arsenal was the best move for him and we allowed it to happen for the sake of the player. We are a great football club.
Knew it was coming soon, he's been looking a lot more dangerous last few weeks, just needed one to go in to get him on a roll.
We're going to regret this for years.
We're going to regret this for years.
Genuinely don't understand how this is even possible? How can any club ever secure a specific league finish in isolation from those around them?
The thing is, I don't see Welbeck being a big factor for Arsenal (at least not a difference maker who will propel them to the top.) Hence, I'm happy for him.
Should we want all players of of all our rival clubs to do badly then?
Personally, as an England fan, I like to see English players do well, irrespective of the team they play for. But even for those who don't like England, I don't see an issue with those wanting Welbeck to do well.
Sure his performance affects how Arsenal do but he can have a blinder with Arsenal losing or have a stinker with Arsenal winning. I think hoping half of Arsenal's players to do well is odd, but just one player? I don't see the problem.
Yeah I'd love him to get that first goal next game. You get the sense the floodgates will open once that happens.
I didn't suggest it was in isolation - just that we should be able to get into the CL without having to pray that Welbeck and Arsenal have shit years. We should be able to control our own destiny rather than concede it to the actions of others. If we can't take charge of our own CL spot, then as i said, we won't deserve to play in it next year.
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