Danny Welbeck 2015/16

Just to clarify,

A) Could we have used Welbeck in our squad this season? Yes.

B) Was the decision to sell him or tell him he's 3rd/4th choice when we had Falcao, Rooney and RVP understandable? Yes.

C) Is he good enough a player for me to lose sleep over us not having? No, plenty of players of his level about.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Just to clarify,

A) Could we have used Welbeck in our squad this season? Yes.

B) Was the decision to sell him or tell him he's 3rd/4th choice when we had Falcao, Rooney and RVP understandable? Yes.

C) Is he good enough a player for me to lose sleep over us not having? No, plenty of players of his level about.
Click to expand...

More importantly

D) Whenever the team is playing bad, do you get regularly get a feeling that ex-players or players on bench or loan are better prospects, without much proof on how they are better now?
 
If you set aside the nostalgia, you'd quickly realize that average players like Welbeck and Cleverly would look worse than they really are in this mediocre side. We've been blaming Carrick and Memphis for looking shit but the both of them put together have more talent than Cleverley and Welbeck combined. Nothing lost really, 16 mil was excellent business for Welbeck.
 
prath92 said:
You talk as if we sold Messi in his prime for 2 mill. Welbeck scored 4 PL goals last season. Falcao scored 4 too. Falcao was a risk we should definitely have taken. He was the best pure striker till a year before he was signed. Welbeck didnt want to be 4th/5th choice at united and wanted to move. Any manager would have done the same. VG did a lot of mistakes but selling welbeck is the one of the good things he probably did.

We wanted to keep him. But he didnt want to fight for his place with rooney rvp falcao and wilson. At the end of the day, he didn't believe he was good enough either and chose to leave. simple.
Click to expand...

Insane
 
SteveW said:
Insane
Click to expand...

its true. I dont think Welbeck contributes more than whatever Lingard contributes. In fact, Lingard seems to be a better finisher too. And he is also defensively better when on the wings too. Getting 16m for welbeck is akin to getting 20m for Downing. He may have a good record for England but even for Arsenal his record is mediocre. He scored less goals than the over the hill Rooney for instance.
 
Thought he was decent today. Great work rate as always. Very good assist. Bit unlucky with some of those balls played to him in the box, but Ozils passing today was like bullets. He was blasting balls at Welbeck and Sanchez, both failed to cushion them, understandably.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Thought he was decent today. Great work rate as always. Very good assist. Bit unlucky with some of those balls played to him in the box, but Ozils passing today was like bullets. He was blasting balls at Welbeck and Sanchez, both failed to cushion them, understandably.
Click to expand...

Must have been imagining he was playing with Ronaldo again.
 
Samid said:
My favourite LVG moment was when we got £16m for this fraud.
Click to expand...

My favourite was when he kept three strikers who earn almost that much in a year, and are worse than him. One still plays for us. Not to mention other forwards in our team who are far worse than him.

But yeah, the most important thing is that we earned 16m.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Tell me about it. I mean, they actually expected to sign a top striker and ended up with Welbeck. How dare they!
Click to expand...

Exactly. 16 mln quid doesn't buy you a goal-scoring striker. You need another 30 for one to score goals nowadays, leave Danny lad alone.
 
Twigginater said:
What a weird bump. Did well today and got a great assist. We'd be a lot better with him in the team.
Click to expand...

Says all about the standards he has set if he 'did well' today. Assist aside he wasted so many golden opportunities. The guy has been getting fed throughout his career but time after time he squanders the chances. There is no end product with this bloke and that's quite embarrassing for a top 4 team striker.

He has barely scored goals when he has gotten service from his teammates and you actually believe we would have done a lot better with him in the team this season? In a team that barely creates 1-2 chances every match? He wouldn't have even made it to double figures in terms of goals even if he played every minute of every game.

Rashford who is much younger looks more composed than Welbeck ever has looked. Rashford thinks and acts like a striker. Most importantly, he actually scores goals. This tweet sums up Welbeck:



wFabJEv.png


Can't wait to see Rashford under a new manager. Already is way more functional as a striker than Welbeck ever was.
 
Last edited:
Amar__ said:
My favourite was when he kept three strikers who earn almost that much in a year, and are worse than him. One still plays for us. Not to mention other forwards in our team who are far worse than him.

But yeah, the most important thing is that we earned 16m.
Click to expand...

My favourite was when all 3 Scored as much as he did if not more in the league.
 
Hard not to love him because he's United through and through, but his finishing is terrible and doesn't look like it'll get better. Certainly not a confidence issue. Reminds me of his attempted lob over Neuer. :lol:
 
Samid said:
Says all about the standards he has set if he 'did well' today. Assist aside he wasted so many golden opportunities. The guy has been getting fed throughout his career but time after time he squanders the chances. There is no end product with this bloke and that's quite embarrassing for a top 4 team striker.

He has barely scored goals when he has gotten service from his teammates and you actually believe we would have done a lot better with him in the team this season? In a team that barely creates 1-2 chances every match? He wouldn't have even made it to double figures in terms of goals even if he played every minute of every game.

Rashford who is much younger looks more composed than Welbeck ever has looked. Rashford thinks and acts like a striker. Most importantly, he actually scores goals. This tweet sums up Welbeck:



wFabJEv.png


Can't wait to see Rashford under a new manager. Already is way more functional as a striker than Welbeck ever was.
Click to expand...


Martial has 8 goals in about last ~35 games, and he is our best player.

Mata has scored just 3 goals since September, Lingard hasn't scored in the last 11 games, and has assisted just once during that time. But yeah, that is a great tweet when you ignore everything else there is to ignore.
 
Remember when he was supposed to be this great goal scoring machine that we wasted out wide and he was gonna show us all when he joined Arsenal?
Such a beast.
 
cyberman said:
Remember when he was supposed to be this great goal scoring machine that we wasted out wide and he was gonna show us all when he joined Arsenal?
Such a beast.
Click to expand...
What used to annoy me was that before he signed for Arsenal, he was widely derided among neutrals. Always complaining when he got picked by Hogdson. As soon as he signed for Arsenal, he became this Henry MK II treated badly by Man Utd.
 
Welbeck has been the best Arsenal player, ever since he has returned from injury. Ozil and Sanchez have predictably failed in tough matches whereas Iwobi and Welbeck are the only attacking players who have carried them.
 
cyberman said:
Remember when he was supposed to be this great goal scoring machine that we wasted out wide and he was gonna show us all when he joined Arsenal?
Such a beast.
Click to expand...

He still cannot shoot the ball nor keep his balance inside the box. Basically he hasn't improved one bit since joining Arsenal.
 
Later this year he turns 26, has been capped more than 30 times for his country, played at international tournaments and has been playing for two of the biggest teams in the country/Europe for nearly 200 appearances.

We really should be beyond the point where he's defended on the basis that he occasionally gets an assist.
 
DrunkenBeaver said:
Later this year he turns 26, has been capped more than 30 times for his country, played at international tournaments and has been playing for two of the biggest teams in the country/Europe for nearly 200 appearances.

We really should be beyond the point where he's defended on the basis that he occasionally gets an assist.
Click to expand...

How about getting beyond the point of having to criticise at every possible opportunity. He had a decent game and affected the result with a good assist. It's weird to have to somehow find a way to criticise a player after that.

It's hard to really get worked up about it because he's not one of our players anymore but its still a bit fecking weird. There seems to be very few balanced viewpoints when it comes to Welbeck. Some only want to praise while others seem desperate to criticise.
 
Did I say that we should never have sold him. And will go down as one of the bizzare decisions by LVG.
 
SteveW said:
How about getting beyond the point of having to criticise at every possible opportunity. He had a decent game and affected the result with a good assist. It's weird to have to somehow find a way to criticise a player after that.

It's hard to really get worked up about it because he's not one of our players anymore but its still a bit fecking weird. There seems to be very few balanced viewpoints when it comes to Welbeck. Some only want to praise while others seem desperate to criticise.
Click to expand...

I don't criticise at every possible opportunity but why should he be immune from criticism just because some people still are harbouring under the belief he's still 18 and about to become a world beater.

Every footballer in every game does something that's good most of the time, doesn't mean that the only time a footballer deserves criticism is if they suddenly become an amorphous blob incapable of movement.

He's the only player in the league that you criticise and everyone jumps on you. He has enormous flaws in his game that are frankly embarrassing for anyone who isn't in his first season as a footballer. He isn't a terrible player but he's pretty bloody average for the level he plays at. Far better players get far more criticism than he does on a much more regular basis.

I don't see the argument in saying that a forward who has never got into double figures for his league goals and only twice above 6, gets criticised too much away from the whole 'he's Danny Welbeck and we used to cheer him' thing.
 
Last edited:
SteveW said:
How about getting beyond the point of having to criticise at every possible opportunity. He had a decent game and affected the result with a good assist. It's weird to have to somehow find a way to criticise a player after that.

It's hard to really get worked up about it because he's not one of our players anymore but its still a bit fecking weird. There seems to be very few balanced viewpoints when it comes to Welbeck. Some only want to praise while others seem desperate to criticise.
Click to expand...
This thread was bumped not because we love criticizing him, but because Arsenal fans have started turning on him.
 
I reckon at this point they would criticise everyone, so it's not really a big deal. He is still one of their best players, if not the best since returning from injury. And they conceed a goal when they subbed him off, they were leading yesterday with him assisting the goal while he was on the pitch.
 
Adisa said:
What used to annoy me was that before he signed for Arsenal, he was widely derided among neutrals. Always complaining when he got picked by Hogdson. As soon as he signed for Arsenal, he became this Henry MK II treated badly by Man Utd.
Click to expand...

No one thought he became good after signing for Arsenal outside of hysterical Arsenal and United fans.

I still can't get over Storey being utterly convinced he was much better than Sturridge and was essentially Thomas Muller with pace.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.