Danny Welbeck 2015/16

kouroux said:
It doesn't anymore. Times have changed.
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I think you can only speak for yourself on that one. If the player being local doesn't mean anything to you fair enough but for others it does.

Unless I've misunderstood your point and you're saying it doesn't mean anything to the hierarchy.
 
We challenged for the title with Welbz up top under Fergie. Actually, we should have won it. He and Rooney were fantastic uptop together in 11/12 season.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder how many of you would actually have Welbeck over a new CF signing.
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He's much more than a central striker. He's a multi-functional player. Can play on both wings, as a number 10 and centre forward.
 
Sultan said:
He's much more than a central striker. He's a multi-functional player. Can play on both wings, as a number 10 and centre forward.
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Basically a backup player is where he'd have ended up anyway, which is why he we sold him in the first player. He's a useful player and I'd take him here as a squad player, but let's be honest here, Martial is far far better than Welbeck, and the strikers everyone wants this summer are all far better than Welbeck. And I'm not even sure as a squad player, whether I'd want Welbeck or Hernandez.
 
adexkola said:
Moral of the story is, if you let players go without getting suitable replacements, it's fair for people to deduce that you probably shouldn't have let them go.
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Indeed. but then better players than him (which would have been great in this United side) like Di Maria, Hernandez, and Evra left under LVG too, without getting properly replaced (in case of Evra, we replaced him with a great but inexperienced Shaw, but still think that 2 players for each position is ideal for a team like ours). Someone might argue that Rafael and Nani should have stayed too because when the first one is fit and the second one is on form, they are better than anything we have in their positions.

LVG made a mess in transfers and definitely Welbeck would have done a good job in this team. However, he is far from a top player (or a very good one) and could easily replaced. He isn't a player that I wish we would sign, and there are absolutely tons of better players than him.

If we want to ever become a top team, then Welbeck wasn't and isn't the answer. Obviously, if you remove an average player and then in his place play poor players, then things become worse but that talks more about LVG deluded mentality than for Welbeck's ability.
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
Basically a backup player is where he'd have ended up anyway, which is why he we sold him in the first player. He's a useful player and I'd take him here as a squad player, but let's be honest here, Martial is far far better than Welbeck, and the strikers everyone wants this summer are all far better than Welbeck. And I'm not even sure as a squad player, whether I'd want Welbeck or Hernandez.
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Clubs are not just about 11 players these days. It's about a squad. We'd easily have been in the top four and possibly gone further in European competitions with Wellbs and Hernandez.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
We challenged for the title with Welbz up top under Fergie. Actually, we should have won it. He and Rooney were fantastic uptop together in 11/12 season.
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And we won the title with Cleverley in midfield and Evans in defence.

It says more about Fergie's ability to win titles with average players (as long as he had a world class attacker in his team) than for those players ability.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
because he wasnt playing for United when we were winning things......
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Yeah, Fergie was so impressed that he splashed out on RvP.

He's a limited player. When everyone is fit, he'd barely play for Leicester, Spurs or City.
 
I read an article from one of LvG's former coaching staff in which he is quoted as saying LvG does not like working with established players. That maybe is the reason many experienced players were sold. Many better than those he has replaced. Costing the club a lot of money. Basically, he's been far worse disaster for the club than the much maligned Moyes.
 
Revan said:
Indeed. but then better players than him (which would have been great in this United side) like Di Maria, Hernandez and Evra left under LVG too, without getting properly replaced (in case of Evra, we replaced him with a great but inexperienced Shaw, but still think that 2 players for each position is ideal for a team like ours).

LVG made a mess in transfers and definitely Welbeck would have done a good job in this team. However, he is far from a top player (or a very good one) and could easily replaced. He isn't a player that I wish we would sign, and there are absolutely tons of better players than him.

If we want to ever become a top team, then Welbeck wasn't and isn't the answer. Obviously, if you remove an average player and then in his place play poor players, then things become worse but that talks more about LVG deluded mentality than for Welbeck's ability.
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This assessment is spot on.

When we talk about 25+ year old players, we should be having players atleast at the level of Mahrez, if not better. Welbeck isn't in that level of quality.
 
golden_blunder said:
Horseshit. Vardy is 29 already. There's no reason to think that welbeck can't hit a purple patch as well at some point.
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Well I believe there's reason to think that based on what I've from him at United and Arsenal. Plus, what Vardy is doing isn't common, it's extremely rare. You could name dozens of players at the Welbeck level bracket that might potentially hit a purple patch like Vardy', but it's highly unlikely they ever will.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Yeah, Fergie was so impressed that he splashed out on RvP.

He's a limited player. When everyone is fit, he'd barely play for Leicester, Spurs or City.
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Sir Alex liked to have 4 strikers in the squad. All with different qualities. Sir Alex would not have sanctioned his sale. He'd have sold Rooney and kept Welbeck.
 
Sultan said:
Clubs are not just about 11 players these days. It's about a squad. We'd easily have been in the top four and possibly gone further in European competitions with Wellbs and Hernandez.
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Well we couldn't go 4th with both of them under Moyes. It is not all about having such and such players in the team
 
Welbeck is getting into an Arsenal team with better striking options than United.
 
Shark said:
Well I believe there's reason to think that based on what I've from him at United and Arsenal. Plus, what Vardy is doing isn't common, it's extremely rare. You could name dozens of players at the Welbeck level bracket that might potentially hit a purple patch like Vardy', but it's highly unlikely they ever will.
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Vardy's only scored 4 in his last 16 games.
 
Lvg has done many things wrong (and some things right), but selling Welbeck was his worst mistake to me. Manc-lad, young and had everything to become a great MUFC-player with the right guidance. He was a poor finisher but ffs he was 21. I'm still fuming we sold him. fecking fuming
 
Magnus said:
Lvg has done many things wrong (and some things right), but selling Welbeck was his worst mistake to me. Manc-lad, young and had everything to become a great MUFC-player with the right guidance. He was a poor finisher but ffs he was 21. I'm still fuming we sold him. fecking fuming
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Yep, 21! What?! Are fans expecting a finished article at that age? I agree though, it may piss off some here but a local lad making it through the ranks should always be persevered with.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder how many of you would actually have Welbeck over a new CF signing.
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ffs.. and that's the problem ppl will always consider him as a striker which was always only his secondary position. He would be great player for us I am sure, playing from the wing. We need more clinical player up front. I am sure Fergie would convince him to stay and Welbs wouldn't mind playing from the wide..
 
Sultan said:
Sir Alex liked to have 4 strikers in the squad. All with different qualities. Sir Alex would not have sanctioned his sale. He'd have sold Rooney and kept Welbeck.
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I find myself agreeing with you
 
Sultan said:
Local lads care as much as fans. Fans relate to home-grown players.
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The club doesn't care about local players if they deem them to be not good enough.
Dobbs said:
I think you can only speak for yourself on that one. If the player being local doesn't mean anything to you fair enough but for others it does.

Unless I've misunderstood your point and you're saying it doesn't mean anything to the hierarchy.
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I was talking about the club. Sorry for not being clearer. If Mourinho arrives, local players will matter even less.
 
Sultan said:
Clubs are not just about 11 players these days. It's about a squad. We'd easily have been in the top four and possibly gone further in European competitions with Wellbs and Hernandez.
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Indeed, we could have done with both this season. But I'd still prefer us to see us sign better/more promising players than have them in the squad.

m1y2 said:
ffs.. and that's the problem ppl will always consider him as a striker which was always only his secondary position. He would be great player for us I am sure, playing from the wing. We need more clinical player up front. I am sure Fergie would convince him to stay and Welbs wouldn't mind playing from the wide..
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That's not a problem with people, that's a problem with him in that he isn't top class in any position. Wouldn't mind playing from the wide? How about Martial who is a far better football and will to become twice the player Welbeck is, being our first choice left winger? I hope we sign a RW and CF that are better than Welbeck too because that's the level we need from starters rather than what Welbeck provides/provided. As as squad player? Sure, wouldn't mind that. But then again, we do have Memphis, Januzaj and Periera as well that I hope will develop big time.
 
Sultan said:
I don't think it was the clubs decision, bro.
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Ultimately to let him go, it definitely was. Welbeck wanted to leave but if they think he is too important, they'd fight to keep him. It didn't feel like the club tried its best to not sell him, I could be wrong of course.
 
kouroux said:
Ultimately to let him go, it definitely was. Welbeck wanted to leave but if they think he is too important, they'd fight to keep him. It didn't feel like the club tried its best to not sell him, I could be wrong of course.
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I think the club listened to LvG. If LvG had shown more faith he could have just said you're under contract and you're staying. Same with Di Maria.
 
Sultan said:
You know this how?
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“When you’ve been somewhere for so long and then you’re going to start a new chapter in your career, you’ve got to think about it a lot. Over the past year or so, I started to think about what’s best for me,” he said according to the Manchester Evening News."

Plenty of talk about it when Moyes singled him out in comments about not training well enough etc.
 
Magnus said:
Lvg has done many things wrong (and some things right), but selling Welbeck was his worst mistake to me. Manc-lad, young and had everything to become a great MUFC-player with the right guidance. He was a poor finisher but ffs he was 21. I'm still fuming we sold him. fecking fuming
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He was nearly 24 when his new season with Arsenal started. He's going to be nearly 26 when next season gets underway. It only vindicates what the club/LVG thought of him as a player that he hasn't pulled up any trees since he left United. The only problem is that our assessment of Falcao, RVP and Rooney hasn't been vindicated in any shape or form, and the opposite happened in a big way.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Indeed, we could have done with both this season. But I'd still prefer us to see us sign better/more promising players than have them in the squad.


That's not a problem with people, that's a problem with him in that he isn't top class in any position. Wouldn't mind playing from the wide? How about Martial who is a far better football and will to become twice the player Welbeck is, being our first choice left winger? I hope we sign a RW and CF that are better than Welbeck too because that's the level we need from starters rather than what Welbeck provides/provided. As as squad player? Sure, wouldn't mind that. But then again, we do have Memphis, Januzaj and Periera as well that I hope will develop big time.
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top class here, top class there, he would certainly be good enough for us to start games, like he did under fergie when he did fantastically well, he developed since even though missed so many games due to his problems with knee. Martial will become top class talent but in every team where Martial is there is Danny Welbeck, and we will see if Memphis or Januzaj will ever be as good as Welbeck
 
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