Danny Welbeck 2015/16

Snow said:
By playing him wide you don't get the best out of him. He plays best up top but by playing there you're playing a striker that won't score you goals. His ideal situation I think is something more like 4-4-2 which no top side plays anymore.
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I was just reading a long explanation of Leicester's tactics and I think Welbeck would be a nice fit there. Okazaki has to drop off and mark the other team's DM and make things happens on the break and Welbeck's defensive skills and long strides would probably be useful there.
 
Weird argument on the previous page. If Arsenal had an even semi-competent striker Ozil's stats would be through the roof.
 
NoPace said:
I was just reading a long explanation of Leicester's tactics and I think Welbeck would be a nice fit there. Okazaki has to drop off and mark the other team's DM and make things happens on the break and Welbeck's defensive skills and long strides would probably be useful there.
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I agree with you there, the Okazaki role is a very good fit for him.
 
Twigginater said:
Just heard all the Arsenal fans chanting his name.

Of course they don't rate him at all.
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They're fickle as freck, i went to see them vs Swansea after work this season and for 60 minutes they were screaming for Welbeck to come on. As soon as he came on they booed him for a few bad touches.

They prefer him to Giroud but when the bars that low...
 
Think it's more about frustration with the team than anything really against Welbeck.

I mean they've failed in the most typically Arsenal way this season. The fans are naturally frustrated that things haven't changed. They look at the options they have up front (a position they've needed to strengthen for a while) and see Welbeck and Giroud, neither of whom are really good enough....
 
sizzling sausages said:
He's nowhere near good enough to be moving Ozil around for.
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Ozil's better than Okazaki, but he wouldn't replace him in the Leicester side.

My point is, it's not always about how good a player is, it's about the balance of the team. Yes, Ozil gets his fair share of assists, but in games like today, he won't give you anything. Welbeck will add to the team even if he's not scoring/assisting.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Ozil's better than Okazaki, but he wouldn't replace him in the Leicester side.

My point is, it's not always about how good a player is, it's about the balance of the team. Yes, Ozil gets his fair share of assists, but in games like today, he won't give you anything. Welbeck will add to the team even if he's not scoring/assisting.
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I agree balance is key, but I believe Giroud and Walcott time at Arsenal may be over. As the veterans, they have underperformed and Wenger might need to freshing things up if they want to stay in the top four next season.

Welbeck is best played in the system you mentioned and will add much more balance to their side. However, Ozil has been fantastic for Arsenal, so such a system seems more like a fantasy unless Ozil gets injuried.
 
Arsenal mania after the game
Horrendous player, want him sold ASAP.
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LvG did the right thing.
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He has good workrate but that is where the plaudits end. We need so much more from our starting striker.
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I can't belive he's still ****. I mean, he was sh!t at Man Utd, and he started off sh!t here too, before continuing to be ****... So where did it all go wrong for him? o_O
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I honestly will never know what United fans saw in him. Yes he was a local boy but he was so woefully limited at what his job was. And to top it all off he put in a TR to go to Arsenal. We hate our players for handing in TR's and staying at the club but local boy Welbz gets away with it. I know it's early but Rashford looks a far brighter talent than Welbeck who seems to be more in the Lingard class of frustration and zero end product.
 
Thought he took his goal superbly well today. Showed great technique.

Came on and played down the left, but was given the license to roam inside. Although he's made it clear he wants to play down the middle, I still think he could prove to be a great left inside forward in a 433. It's the position he plays for England, and more often than not, he does a good job there. He gets his fair share of goals from there too.
 
Happy for him and happy for us that he is not playing here anymore.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Came on and played down the left, but was given the license to roam inside. Although he's made it clear he wants to play down the middle, I still think he could prove to be a great left inside forward in a 433. It's the position he plays for England, and more often than not, he does a good job there. He gets his fair share of goals from there too.
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thats his best position IMO
 
Someone said in the match day thread. If Arsenal get top four, he deserve a lot of credit for that. His return from injury has have a positive impact to their side. Even with that said, I do not believe he is good enough to be their main striker unless he starts scoring more consistently.
 
His main issue is that he sees himself as a central striker. His finishing isn't consistent enough to play that role 40 times a season at a top club.

He should accept his role as an wide forward who roams. His general play, work ethic and movement are all of a high standard. He actually uses his physique effectively, unlike wastemen like Jerome and Éder.

I wish he was still here. He was my favourite player. Loved the guy since his Academy days. He could be offering what Lingard does, and much more. Don't get me wrong, I like Jesse too. It's just that Danny has a higher ceiling than the little man.

He's easily one of the most diverse squad players in world football.
 
Basically I'd have liked for him to still be here but I'm not too arsed about him leaving. Rashford's got the young, exciting, Manc striker position locked down anyway.
 
Raw said:
Basically I'd have liked for him to still be here but I'm not too arsed about him leaving. Rashford's got the young, exciting, Manc striker position locked down anyway.
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I think they have very similar styles of play, but Rashford has shown a clinical touch that Danny couldn't at 18.

Welbeck took a long time to adjust to his growth spurt and kept picking up niggles.

I would expect Rashford to see a lot less minutes under Mourinho who usually prefers a more physical presence up front i.e. Drogba, Milito, Ronaldo.
 
Welbz doing us all a favour in helping us push LvG out the door, nice one Danny.
 
What I don't get about LVG is, when he got rid of Danny he said it was because he didn't have the record of Rooney and co. Since then, we've ended up with Martial and Rashford - two players that, prior to this season, had never played Premier League football in their lives and were unproven.
 
He is still not very good, LVG was entirely right to get rid of him and should have no regrets about that.
 
LVG was completely wrong to get rid of him . And when he steps down it will go down as one of his more bizarre decisions, considering what he requires of his strikers.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
What I don't get about LVG is, when he got rid of Danny he said it was because he didn't have the record of Rooney and co. Since then, we've ended up with Martial and Rashford - two players that, prior to this season, had never played Premier League football in their lives and were unproven.
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That's more to do with the fact that martial is about 100 times the better player talentwise
 
Drifter said:
LVG was completely wrong to get rid of him . And when he steps down it will go down as one of his more bizarre decisions, considering what he requires of his strikers.
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Bizarre? No. Getting rid of pogba. That was bizarre. Getting rid of pique. That was bizarre. Welbeck not so much.
 
prath92 said:
Bizarre? No. Getting rid of pogba. That was bizarre. Getting rid of pique. That was bizarre. Welbeck not so much.
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We had Rio and Vida, and Píque wanted to return home. Plus, Evans proved himself in Rio's absence during 08/09.

Pogba was because of a stubborn Fergie who wouldn't accept the times.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
We had Rio and Vida, and Píque wanted to return home. Plus, Evans proved himself in Rio's absence during 08/09.

Pogba was because of a stubborn Fergie who wouldn't accept the times.
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You could say the same about Welbeck except with rvp Rooney and Wilson too. Except the returning home part
 
LuisNaniencia said:
So much better than Giroud.
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I actually really like Giroud. He's been poor for the past 2 months, but is usually a fairly reliable goalscorer and makes the best use of his talents. He's not lightning fast or the best dribbler in the world, but he knows how to finish and is a good link player. Assisted the goal, for example.

20 goals this season. Danny can play as well as he likes, he's never come close to that output.
 
I was very pleased with his contribution yet again today. He's keeping you lot out of the top 4 almost single handedly recently. (Okay, Alexis and Iwobi have been doing their bit too.)
 
prath92 said:
Bizarre? No. Getting rid of pogba. That was bizarre. Getting rid of pique. That was bizarre. Welbeck not so much.
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Did we get rid of Pique or did he choose to leave (back to his original club) to get more playing time considering he was stuck behind Rio and vidic?


Pogba, we did not get rid of either, we probably should have played him more to try and convince him to stay. But we did not get rid of him.
 
prath92 said:
That's more to do with the fact that martial is about 100 times the better player talentwise
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That's not the point. Prior to signing Martial, he had only scored something like 9 goals for Monaco. After offloading Hernadez and Welbeck, Van Gaal ended up with Rooney - a player he hardly played up top last season, and Martial - someone who was unproven in the Premier League and scored a few goals for Monaco. Van Gaal contradicted himself big time.
 
I saw some highlights of his game, glad he is playing well he is a very good player still.

Walters_19_MuFc said:
What I don't get about LVG is, when he got rid of Danny he said it was because he didn't have the record of Rooney and co. Since then, we've ended up with Martial and Rashford - two players that, prior to this season, had never played Premier League football in their lives and were unproven.
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I think he just meant in his own special way that Welbeck was low in the pecking order. That he couldn't "get rid" of Rooney (not taking into account that he wouldn't want to) and that Welbeck was last choice in the order. Since Van Gaal doesn't do rotation at all that is the way he explained it. He is a helmet, but I think this justification was sound because Welbeck wasn't going to get games.

You are correct though.
 
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