Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit

So, Ashworth:

- was one of the driving forces behind Ten Hag staying on this summer
- was against the appointment of Ruben Amorim
- favoured Gareth Southgate for the manager position
- was responsible for most of the awful signings we made this summer

This bloke did not live up to his hype I’m afraid.
 
Never a dull day at the red side of the town.

I lean towards this being a boondogle by Ratcliffe but then again if the leaks hold any merit than it's hard to justify him being in favor of Southgate.
 
Personally i like the fact that SJR has acted swiftly and sacked ashworth. If he can see things are not working then acting on it quickly is the best thing to do. The whole leadership team needs to be aligned with 1 vision and if ashworth wasnt on board with that then he should go. I feel we need a european DOF who will be abke to identify top european and south american talent early so tbat we can sign them at a good price instead of picking them up for millions after gheyve made their initial move. The one big thing that needs to happen now we have the manager we want alongside a very good leadership team is we need to try and get rid of the players who either are not good enough or simply have gone stale, players like casemiro, erikson, rashford, maguire, linderof, dalot, antony and possibly martinez. Id sell these olayers for whatever we can, it would save is a fortune in wages alone and this money could be reinvested on players who are uounger, better technically and have a higher motivation to fit in with the managers demands .
 
This club is an utter embarrassment and it's turning into a clown circus.

Whether Ashworth leaving is the correct decision or not, it reeks of incompetence.
 
Good fecking lord.

And after the soap opera involved in getting him in the first place.
 
El Zoido said:
So, Ashworth:

- was one of the driving forces behind Ten Hag staying on this summer
- was against the appointment of Ruben Amorim
- favoured Gareth Southgate for the manager position
- was responsible for most of the awful signings we made this summer

This bloke did not live up to his hype I’m afraid.
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this all sounds like the PR-driven reasons/excuses to me

all that stuff fits very conveniently into the club narrative to get rid

but if he really wanted gareth southgate then why on earth are brexit jim and the ceo appointing him in the first place? He has the tactical nous of a managerial dinosaur
 
Sandikan said:
So much for the brilliant structure getting the top people in.
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You're never going to be perfect in hiring people to work together even if they're good at what they do. Mistakes will happen, that is natural. The important thing is to act on them rather than letting them linger and the rot to set in.
 
I mean the only positive I can take from this is at least if they’ve realised it isn’t working they’re biting the bullet now rather than sticking with a wrong decision.
 
bosnian_red said:
You're never going to be perfect in hiring people to work together even if they're good at what they do. Mistakes will happen, that is natural. The important thing is to act on them rather than letting them linger and the rot to set in.
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Agree with this. We need leadership to be on the same page, Ashworth wasn't on the same page as the CEO so it was clearly not going to work. Fans wanted ruthless decision makers at the club and we have them now in Ratcliffe and Berrada.
 
I'm glad we didn't "pay up" like some people suggested when he was put on gardening leave by Newcastle.

Whilst I like the fact that they have acted quickly, it does raise questions on his appointment in the first place. Like did we do our due diligence on him and if everyone was on board with hiring him in the first place.

I doubt it is true, but if he wanted Southgate then I'm glad he is gone.
 
Tarrou said:
this all sounds like the PR-driven reasons/excuses to me

all that stuff fits very conveniently into the club narrative to get rid

but if he really wanted gareth southgate then why on earth are brexit jim and the ceo appointing him in the first place? He has the tactical nous of a managerial dinosaur
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It happens. Sometimes you don’t know if someone is the right fit until you start working together. I don’t know about “PR-driven reasons” since all this stuff was known long before today. Seems pretty clear to me that Ashworth wasn’t in alignment with the vision we have with Amorim.
 
So the man we chased for the best part of a year leaves after just five months. What an incompetent mess from the Ineos smokescreen for the Glazers.
 
Solius said:
I mean the only positive I can take from this is at least if they’ve realised it isn’t working they’re biting the bullet now rather than sticking with a wrong decision.
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Yep. This just happens sometimes and assuming it isn’t working as you say then it’s better to cut the cord now than for it to linger on and fray further down the road.
 
I don't know what to believe. How much power did he have if he was the driving force behind Ten Hag staying? Surely, if the general consensus was nobody else actually wanted him to stay, why did he stay? Was Ashworth behind the car crash that was going after Tuchel to then have to go to Ibiza, tail between legs to Erik?
 
El Zoido said:
So, Ashworth:

- was one of the driving forces behind Ten Hag staying on this summer
- was against the appointment of Ruben Amorim
- favoured Gareth Southgate for the manager position
- was responsible for most of the awful signings we made this summer

This bloke did not live up to his hype I’m afraid.
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All rumours but with a decent amount of probability. You can add the transfer attempt for Branthwaite for stupid money.
 
cj_sparky said:
I'm glad we didn't "pay up" like some people suggested when he was put on gardening leave by Newcastle.

Whilst I like the fact that they have acted quickly, it does raise questions on his appointment in the first place. Like did we do our due diligence on him and if everyone was on board with hiring him in the first place.

I doubt it is true, but if he wanted Southgate then I'm glad he is gone.
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The rumours about him wanting Southgate go all the way back to the summer.
 
We're really a joke of a club these days. It's bit similar to Rangnick being planned for different role after 21/22 ends and then he left as early as June 2022 or even before :lol:

If it's true he wanted Southgate then it's easier to accept this decision. Might be just the club briefing media.
 
With so much changing in a short space of time there was always a good chance something like this would happen. Wasn’t expecting anything this quickly but Asworth was also having issues at Newcastle so maybe it isn’t a shock.

Be interesting to see what happens next, fingers crossed it works out for the better somehow.
 
What a joke after we spent so much time and all the drama involved in getting him from Newcastle. Should have just gone with the bloke from Palace after Newcastle played hard ball.
 
Judas said:
If it can happen with players why not back room staff too? If he’s not the right fit he’s not the right fit. Better to move on asap.
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Yeah, but why have they put huge resources with much wastage of time into recruiting someone who within 3-4 months turn out to be not the right fit? It's not like that's some unforeseeable natural disaster, this is what a good recruitment process and good decision-making should avoid.
 
Laughable situation. For once I thought we were giving the new manager a strong support system from the upper management. But that’s not our style. More uncertainty and friction for the new manager to deal with. As if his job wasn’t hard enough as it is.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Laughable situation. For once I thought we were giving the new manager a strong support from the upper management. But that’s not our style. More uncertainty and friction for the new manager to deal with. Lovely.
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Well if reports are to believed that Ashworth wasn't totally on board with the Amorim appointment then this is about as much support as he could ask for.
 
Laughable that anyone is seriously trying to spin this as a positive. The club is a shambles. We're just going further backwards
 
One day we'll look back to all these post-2013 shenanigans with a wry smile, I suppose. One day.
 
Hilarious now to think that people were advocating keeping Ten Hag in part because he now had a proper structure in place above him and all the time this politburo of spoofers that are now in charge weren't even aligned with each other.
 
Rather than the earth-shattering news this has been portrayed as, it merely seems that there are 3/4 key senior management positions who are aligned and one who wasn't. It looks bad to do it early but we also have a January window to prepare for and consider. If there is one person out of step, particularly making bat shit decisions like keeping on EtH and wanting Southgate as a replacement then it is best to remove that at your earliest convenience.
 
Glad he's gone, he's not a winner. West From, Brighton, Newcastle and England won NOTHING with him supposedly being the brains of those operations.
 
Mibabalou said:
What has happened here???

Did he pull a Ralf behind the scenes and the club didn't like it??

Was he openly drinking on the job?

Did he clash with almiron?
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Yes and that’s why he left Newcastle….
 
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