What is going on at this football club?! Absolute mess.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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Maybe he can sign up as a player, is he any good up top?
Makes him sound like a eugenicist
So Begiristain is apparently leaving City at the end of the season, maybe Berrada has given the club a wink and a nudge?
We are a sham, can’t see any way this gets turned around in the next 5 years. Look at INEOS’ track record, look at Nice. Soul destroying
Not that bad. I doubt it was working out and his philosophy and approach was no match. Move on and support Amorim at all costs
I’m completely pulling this out my arse but Amorim always felt like a Berada hire. Ashworth’s whole stchick is getting the clubs playing one system from the u9s through to the first team.
I think there’s a good chance that Ashworth would like to install 4-2-3-1 through the club and that breaks down when it reaches the first team. So Ashworth is basically wondering what sort of control or sway he supposedly has despite supposedly being the top football man in the club.
The real farce here is that it will be another ridiculous severance package which will make a mockery of the savings we have made when we fired all those low level employees and then there’s all the money we are apparently raising putting up ticket prices.
Impossible to think this doesn’t add negativity and weights on the ankle of Amorim’s already uphill task.
What a fecking joke this club is, Amorin must be thinking WTF have I done. Left a club with a 100% record to Billy Smarts circus .
I don't believe the shit from talkshite they make it up from whatever they hear in the shitter on a night out.
I don't believe the shit from talkshite they make it up from whatever they hear in the shitter on a night out.
Guessing there's no way we can get Amorim's best friend from City?
"We do beg your pardon, but we are in your garden."
Expensive game of Theft and Shrubbery this..
Expensive game of Theft and Shrubbery this..
It's possibly the reason that makes the most sense. The idea that it was about transfers seems quite far fetched to me, and given it has happened this soon makes me think it's related to the managerial situation and long term view, potentially in tandem with a personality clash.
But everyone knew he thought that before we got him right?
Newcastle must be laughing their arses off.
Let's wait until it comes out in the wash but it's not a good look....
All the reliable journalists like Ornstein, Whitwell, Ducker etc reported he was the driving force behind it.
With some of the information coming out now, there’s at least something to form some thoughts from.
Firstly, if Ashworth was indeed responsible for keeping ETH on last summer, then he should be shown the door. There was no way that what ETH produced last season is grounds for anything but immediate dismissal, never mind signing more players for him and activating the one year extension to make firing him even more expensive when, to no one’s surprise, this season was a continuation of last season.
Secondly, if his choice for the ETH replacement was Southgate then that also tells me he should not be making any decisions at this club. I can’t believe there may actually have been legs in those links.
And finally, while there’s a lot of hysteria over this (I think in part driven by the fact that we lost yesterday), if it has been identified that Ashworth’s vision is not aligned with what the other people at the club want, then it is better to remove him quickly rather than waste time and resources.
Firstly, if Ashworth was indeed responsible for keeping ETH on last summer, then he should be shown the door. There was no way that what ETH produced last season is grounds for anything but immediate dismissal, never mind signing more players for him and activating the one year extension to make firing him even more expensive when, to no one’s surprise, this season was a continuation of last season.
Secondly, if his choice for the ETH replacement was Southgate then that also tells me he should not be making any decisions at this club. I can’t believe there may actually have been legs in those links.
And finally, while there’s a lot of hysteria over this (I think in part driven by the fact that we lost yesterday), if it has been identified that Ashworth’s vision is not aligned with what the other people at the club want, then it is better to remove him quickly rather than waste time and resources.
I doubt it. They rated Ashworth highly and have been doing shite since he left.
Yeah , this all sounds about right. And agree it just makes Amorin’s job even harder. Expect extra scrutiny on his favoured formation over the rest of the season (and how un-British it is). Which is the last thing he needs.
Bob Mortimer for DoF.
David Mitchel CEO
Lee Mack head coach (pashun)
Rob Brydon press officer
Can it actually be worse than our current lot? Yeah it can, but it will be funny in a good way!
Question.
Is the Viana and City deal set in stone?
Will Viana give pause to that move pending 115?
Is the removal of Ashworth and opportunity to work with Amorim a personal heart tug?
Is the Viana and City deal set in stone?
Will Viana give pause to that move pending 115?
Is the removal of Ashworth and opportunity to work with Amorim a personal heart tug?
I heard it was because Ashworth would sit alone at dinnertime with his Gareth Southgate lunchbox™ and eat his raw onion buttys and drink his weak orange cordial.
Apparantly one day, Berrada bullied him and stole his chipsticks and the animosity just sort of grew after that.
Apparantly one day, Berrada bullied him and stole his chipsticks and the animosity just sort of grew after that.
This is actually the best case scenario. The other is the club has run out of money for transfers in the range Ashworth was told he’d be operating in. This could then mean Amorim’s reality at United is different to what he was told when he agreed the job.
This emergency meeting has got me wondering.
If he was the key instigator in keeping ten Hag then he deserved to be sacked.
Watching Amorim struggle in a packed schedule to train players while we wasted a summer backing the Dutch David Moyes is shambolic.
Watching Amorim struggle in a packed schedule to train players while we wasted a summer backing the Dutch David Moyes is shambolic.
And here I thought perfection didn't exist!
Yes, that makes even worse.
I think we, at least, should settle on one consistent scapegoat story.
It can only be either
- he insisted on keeping ETH
or
- he pushed for Southgate to be hired
My vote goes for the latter.
At this point I won't be surprised to hear he was the man behind the children ticket price spike and the canteen worker sackings too. Maybe he even killed the lovely receptionist lady.
Some things you simply can’t know until you start working with people in earnest.
True, maybe they’ll get him back.
If this was a Ratcliffe decision (or him being the main man in the decision) that's a very bad sign for the future. He's got no relevant experience or understanding of how to run a football club, and if he's the one throwing his weight around and making the big decisions then I can't see us having the stability and quality to get back to the very top like we want to. If Ashworth was the main man in keeping ETH that's certainly a black mark against his name, but it's not enough to sack him this early in his time here.
If however this was a joint decision from all the top brass that Ashworth wasn't gelling well with the rest of the team, fair enough. If he was consistently at odds with what the others were doing, there's no point keeping him. That is the risk when you basically build an entire new structure from scratch in the space of a few months, where unforeseen issues do raise their heads.
If however this was a joint decision from all the top brass that Ashworth wasn't gelling well with the rest of the team, fair enough. If he was consistently at odds with what the others were doing, there's no point keeping him. That is the risk when you basically build an entire new structure from scratch in the space of a few months, where unforeseen issues do raise their heads.
On the bright side. If our transfer budget is the same. We have all the data & intel that Ashworth had on his laptop.
Unless Ashworth has done somthing really inappropriate behind the scenes what the actual F**k is going on?
Granted we did waste a S***t of money again this summer but he was in the job about 2 weeks at that point.
Every time we start to look like maybe we may be getting a structure behind the scenes to begin to sort this mess out, somthing dumb happens.
Granted we did waste a S***t of money again this summer but he was in the job about 2 weeks at that point.
Every time we start to look like maybe we may be getting a structure behind the scenes to begin to sort this mess out, somthing dumb happens.
'Goblin who pines for Potter leaves Gringotts considerably gardeneder'
What makes you think that?
To me, it sounds like Ashworth didn't want Amorim and the executive team has made a decision which in essence is fully backing Amorim and removing any negativity from a scenario like "well I never wanted Amorim to begin with."
Time will only tell if this was a good move, but I would feel more backed by the powers above if I was Amorim.
It's obviously quite embarrassing, but if it clearly wasn't working out then it's the right decision. No point in persisting with something just because you're worried about the optics.
If, in six months, everything's looking rosy then no one will care.
If, in six months, everything's looking rosy then no one will care.
He probably was the one that wanted Zirkzee
So much for the brilliant structure getting the top people in.