My initial reaction is shock. Five months is no time at all. I’m very much vocal against Ratcliffe and INEOS but before I slag them off some more, I will wait to see what the reaction to this is, how they replace him and what we find out about the departure and its reasoning.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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To decide if Amorim deserves the sack too
The problems with the glazers was that they saw the rot happening in front of their eyes and allowed it. They allowed someone not capable of doing the job of CEO let the club slowly slip down to the situation we are currently in. INEOS are making bold decisions and they have got this one wrong, but they have at least owned it and are moving on. They came in to a top tier club with no footballing structure, nobody really to lean on and very few people at the club with expertise at the highest level of running a club. They had a manager situation that was destined to fail given a long term run of poor results, the club was in a mess financially after spending a lot of money on deadwood signings and very little way of recouping any of that money given the wages the players were on. The time to judge Ineos will be in 3-4 years when they have built the structure, the squad has been assembled and they are happy with the manager in place. To assume they would come in and after 6 months everything would just work is naive, they already have put plans in place to build a new stadium and the training facilities are currently being improved. Ashworth wasn't the right fit, that's why he was let go and it's in some ways a positive they realised this after a few months rather than years of wasted money and time.
Too premature. Ashworth needed another window to buy some attackers. Only zirkzee has been a bad buy
Feels like a bad decision this one.
A goal for INEOS should be to end the constant circus and drama after every result. This just adds more fuel to the fire.
A goal for INEOS should be to end the constant circus and drama after every result. This just adds more fuel to the fire.
Is there any truth to that Viana rumour or are you just hoping it’s true? I thought he was nailed on for City.
Yep, that is what is happening.
And the reason given is that we blame him for things that happened before he started his job. Makes no sense whatsoever.
The only way it makes sense is if he just could not get along with Berrada at all, professionally or personally.
You'd think though they could have spent some time together in their gardens, to sound each other out and bond, in that half a year they were waiting before starting their roles simultaneously.
He may not be the right fit with Berrada and the owners. Personality, strategic vision, etc... may not be aligned. Looks like he's taking the fall as well for the Ten Hag decision over the summer. I wonder also about his committment to using data in a deeper way (which is one of Man City's strengths), given Ratcliff's comments about our recruitment being poor and failure to use data.
In any case, if he's an obstacle to the progress the group as a whole is trying to make, better to get rid now and find a better fit. I know it looks bad, but when I see people changing their minds (like reversing course on Ashworth) I often think about this quote: "When my information changes, I alter myconclusions. What do you do, sir?"—John Maynard Keynes
Certainly you'd rather that, than the years and years of loyalty to incompetency we got with the Glazers.
In any case, if he's an obstacle to the progress the group as a whole is trying to make, better to get rid now and find a better fit. I know it looks bad, but when I see people changing their minds (like reversing course on Ashworth) I often think about this quote: "When my information changes, I alter myconclusions. What do you do, sir?"—John Maynard Keynes
Certainly you'd rather that, than the years and years of loyalty to incompetency we got with the Glazers.
He got newly promoted or relegation clubs to implement a long term vision that took them to a stable 10-6 position and an FA that got better but acheived nothing under his tenure. Sometimes being awesome at the 10-6 position level won't translate to getting a sleeping giant like United to the 4-1 position.
Oh yeah, these guys really know what they are doing 
I think it's painfully clear that Braithwaite was the final nail in the coffin.
In all seriousness I wouldn't be surprised if Amorim was the tipping point.
In all seriousness I wouldn't be surprised if Amorim was the tipping point.
Ashworth is probably use to being the leading man, this was one of the worry initially with the appointment of all this high profile individuals. At the end of the day it's going to be one vision which would be championed by one individual right.
The idea these guys are competent has gone:
Absolutely right.....
Optics are bad but we need to "trust the process" 
On the positive side it may be a good thing that Sir Jim does not hand about when a tough decision has to be made. Sir Jim is not a young bloke. His time is limited and he's making decisions that otherwise might make other people drag their feet more
On the positive side it may be a good thing that Sir Jim does not hand about when a tough decision has to be made. Sir Jim is not a young bloke. His time is limited and he's making decisions that otherwise might make other people drag their feet more
Oh god I wrote that and deleted it. Some reason it stayed when I quoted a different message. He is nailed on, but who knows as he isn’t in the role yet..
That in itself is a worrying sign. With all due respect to Ratcliffe, we shouldn't know too much about his football opinions, whether it's briefed or in his case via interviews.
Can Brailsford go next, there's something about him I don't like at all.
So we can start even worse the next time? That’s where the trend is at right now
Okay, I don't know what to make of this club anymore. This feels like a complete farce now. Honestly, are we a front for manatee decision making? Is this a social experiment?
The effort to get him out of Newcastle, Ratcliffe himself talking him up in interviews only to stroll in and fire the guy after less than six months in the job because of...what? He doesn't like the look of Zirkzee the last couple of games? Or is it Berrada and Ashworth that don't get along? Was Ashworth stealing pens or taking too long on the toilet in the morning?
Honestly, I want to quit this club sometimes. It just feels like an utter quagmire. Stumbling senselessly through the desert blinded by thirst, being taunted by mirage after f*cking mirage. When does it end?
This casts doubt over absolutely everything for me. Maybe that's overreacting, but I don't think so. Who is running things and making the big calls? Ratcliffe and his INEOS boys or the professionals they alleged we're now in charge? Who decided to keep Ten Hag? Bring in Amorim? Who signs the players? Who decides on flowers for the reception area? Keeps track of everyones toilet time?
God, just one month. Just a week of positive momentum with this club, where it doesn't get punctured by absurd events on or off the pitch.
I know. Fat chance.
The effort to get him out of Newcastle, Ratcliffe himself talking him up in interviews only to stroll in and fire the guy after less than six months in the job because of...what? He doesn't like the look of Zirkzee the last couple of games? Or is it Berrada and Ashworth that don't get along? Was Ashworth stealing pens or taking too long on the toilet in the morning?
Honestly, I want to quit this club sometimes. It just feels like an utter quagmire. Stumbling senselessly through the desert blinded by thirst, being taunted by mirage after f*cking mirage. When does it end?
This casts doubt over absolutely everything for me. Maybe that's overreacting, but I don't think so. Who is running things and making the big calls? Ratcliffe and his INEOS boys or the professionals they alleged we're now in charge? Who decided to keep Ten Hag? Bring in Amorim? Who signs the players? Who decides on flowers for the reception area? Keeps track of everyones toilet time?
God, just one month. Just a week of positive momentum with this club, where it doesn't get punctured by absurd events on or off the pitch.
I know. Fat chance.
Agree with this but there was a very public pursuit from Ratcliffe himself where he was declaring Ashworth the best in class to anyone who would listen. I'm sure it didn't make the negotiations with Newcastle go any smoother either. He'd do better to keep his mouth shut next time.
Nope. Mercedes won 7 titles in 8 years up until 2021. The one they didn’t win is seen as one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in F1 history (2021). INEOS took 1/3rd ownership in Jan 2022. They haven’t come close to a title since
To be fair, that decision cost him a fortune in compensation and if you’re going to back a manager like Ten Hag then you clearly haven’t got a clue and are hoping something works out rather than knowing. There are consequences for those kinds of decisions, and they’re easy to make when it’s not your money. If you’re raising ticket prices and sacking normal staff to cover these payouts it’s only fair that the people who actually made these decisions get potted also.
Organising cover of DoF duties until the role is filled.. probably
My guess. Too many cooks. I think this is a really bad look for the club. We have to accept that ineos have been a disaster so far
I imagine Ratcliffe is an absolute nightmare to work under. I would say Ashworth wanted to leave.
Then get the best-in-class context around, goddamit!
Dude was better off staying at Brighton
If Ashforth wanted Potter or Southgate, then he was clearly quite rigid in his thinking.
Maybe his reputation was much greater than his ability.
Maybe his reputation was much greater than his ability.
So he advocated for Ten Hag and then wanted Southgate to replace him? Yeah, feck that.
Tbf if your 2 strong opinions about the managerial role are Keep ETH or replace him with Potter / Southgate, you deserve the sack without the compensation
Stop talking sense, man. Rational points of view can easily be drowned out by mass hysteria around here.
FFS really? Who gives a flying feck what nationality they are. It's such a weird mindset.
As expected, we weren’t actually interested in changing the structure, just the illusion of modernising.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.