Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit

Meh. A lot of hysteria.

The only thing worse than making an incorrect decision for your business is letting 'bad optics' prevent you from correcting it.
 


How true this is, I don't know. But I'd be pissed off as well if you insisted that we keep a fraud like ETH for longer, considering how much damage it has done to the clubs future.
 
Sky1981 said:
This is stupid all over.

You dont judge a DOF in 5 months, not even when he hasn't appoint a new manager yet. Amorim is 2 weeks into the job?

If you dont trust your DOF to be right, then dont fecking hire him in the first place.

If he thinks ETH deserves more time, let him live or die by his decisions. What's the point again if you're going to veto him? If he thinks Amorim is not the man, you listen to him because that's what you hire him for.

I would be furious as well if I'm hired as DOF and not given the authority to decide on footballing matter.

Plus... Good luck finding another good DOF who wants to work under SJR.
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You don’t even know why he was sacked yet.
 
At this point we should just schedule in one emergency meeting every month.
 
JPRouve said:
People care way too much about optics. The only thing that actually matter for the club and the people involved is whether the decision make sense when it comes to the actual work they have to do together. If they realized that they weren't a good fit and that parting ways was the better move, then so be it. It's a lot better to be in a good situation than look like you are in one.
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I feel the same. If it becomes obvious that the decision made by the DoF put as in a bad situation then it is sensible to part ways. He stuck with ten Had and bought new players for him.
 
OGC Nice fans tried to warn us
 
Wow! Woke up to the Assad news and now this?

Only explanation is that he was behind the ETH staying decision, and the subsequent spending. Probably Omar has someone else in mind.

I don't really care to be honest, I'd rather we course correct rather than sticking with someone we don't believe is good enough.
 
Amorim wants to buy his own type of player.

You can see that Amorim isnt a manager that will change tactics & therefore wants to target players that he thinks best suits his system.

This is how we ran under Ten Hag with him buying half of the eridivisie.

I reckon Ashworth wants more of director role of transfers rather than buying purely for Amorim only.

Both has its benefits and negatives - one thing i have to say is that Ashworth's DOF work is not that great in the past compared to Liverpool's Michael Edwards & i even rate Edu's work at Arsenal quite highly.

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/edu-best-signings-arsenal-sporting-director-ranked/blt1c7d79fc3b6c83f2

If we could get Edu, id 100% go for him. Maybe unlikely due to rivalry but same could be said for the guy we snatched from Man City.
 
macheda14 said:
We’re poaching Hugo Viana

We dont know what went on behind the scenes. It could have been a clash of personalities. Maybe Berrada, Wilcox and the rest couldn’t find synergy with him. We just don’t know yet.
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Even if it's so it still screams incompetent.

You build a team from scratch, you scout and basically hijacked the guy from the other club. You should have check all the inner working and his personalities and vision.

Or they simply going with FM stats? There should be interviews, and clear explanation of what his plans are, and agreed upon at least on fundamental basis. This is not some manager or coach, a DOF will need time and patience and given the right proverbial sword to use.
 
JBG said:


How true this is, I don't know. But I'd be pissed off as well if you insisted that we keep a fraud like ETH for longer, considering how much damage it has done to the clubs future.
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I think Sir Jim already alluded to it in an interview that the decision to keep him wasn’t his and not really the choice he would have made. He didn’t seem happy then.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
But we need to wait to see more info? If the story comes out he’s done something dodgey or we hire someone who works out better, how would it be comical?
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If he's been doing something illegal, I'd revise my opinion, but I think it's a pretty great stretch to suspect this to be the reason at this point.

And for your second point, yes, it is comical. You hire someone in that position because you believe he is the best. And the whole ordeal with Newcastle would imply they believed that and planned for it. But when positions of this magnitude are concerned, you can't just change your mind a few months later and sack him. It's lunacy and it puts your decision making in significant doubt. A DoF represents the long term vision of the club. INEOS chose him and chased him for months and spent millions on it. So, did the vision change on a dime? I don't know, man, that's crazy to me.

Unless they suddenly pull a Txiki Begiristain out of nowhere, or poach Hugo Viana... even then, what's the guarantee they don't get sacked in half a year?

Nah, I don't believe in this people.
 
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feck me, what if the appointment was wrong? Embarrassing yes but shit happens.....
 
JBG said:


How true this is, I don't know. But I'd be pissed off as well if you insisted that we keep a fraud like ETH for longer, considering how much damage it has done to the clubs future.
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I think it's pretty obvious that Brexit Jim wanted Ten Hag gone. He pointedly and publically refused to back him when asked by the BBC a few months ago. I guess he's completely lost faith in Ashworth over it.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Let's be honest here if this happened at Chelsea we would all be laughing at them. We are just a laughing stock for the whole league now. Everytime you think that things can't get worse we are proven wrong
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Chelsea are second in the league and look better than us because they do things like this. They sack and move on much quicker than us.

Maybe Ashworth wanted to keep ETH, maybe be has a bad working relationship with Ruben because of that. Do you keep him or do you get rid then?
 
Im confused:
Didn't we wait for him to conclude his time at Newcastle,
and pay them handsomely to let him go, because he was supposedly the best at his role.

And about 5 months later, he's out.
It would be interesting to discover the real reason ( if we are ever told the truth)
 
Woodzy said:
I think Sir Jim already alluded to it in an interview that the decision to keep him wasn’t his and not really the choice he would have made. He didn’t seem happy then.
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Yeah I actually remember that, wasn't long before ETH got fired(which should've happened in June for fecks sake... I hate the emotional fans we have who got sucked in by that false sense from winning the cup)
 
Like Sancho again but in the boardroom this time. Spend 12 months or so chasing him but then get rid after 5 months. So odd.
 
Walter Sobchak said:
Meh. A lot of hysteria.

The only thing worse than making an incorrect decision for your business is letting 'bad optics' prevent you from correcting it.
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The documentaries on Berrada showed him working synergistic with a very talented football man in Txiki to great on field success. I think the same wasn't happening with Ashworth and his philosophies on England DNA and Southgate admiration that got him to fix lower table clubs to sustain 'more' winning mentalities. They are different types and at some point it was one or the other. Great to admit error and move on.
 
Trex said:
I think Berrada and Ashworth clashed, don't forget Berrada is very much a football man himself, maybe he wants to be more hands on in the football side and that's getting in the way with Ashworth.
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Same. No way a DoF gets sacked 5 months in because the summer signings haven't proven to be great off the bat or the previous manager was given a 1yr extension etc. It's a huge task getting us back on track and there must be differences in how Ashworth sees the way forward vs Omar & Co.
 
INEOS make the Glazer’s slightly more competent and that says a lot.

If it’s really about him wanting to keep ETH then it’s even more baffling, as the last month has shown the manager was and is the least of our problems.
 
Just seen a comment regarding Hugo Viana, that he's only signed a pre contract agreement with City as he can't sign his full contract until he has actually left his job at Sporting. Is this how it works? If so, we could potentially offer him a better deal couldn't we and reunite him with Amorim?
 
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