Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit

Hoof the ball said:
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There isn't a British coach I'd take at the moment, so this alone worried me about him.

I'm not fussed either way. If the club thinks he's not a good fit despite his cv it's only right to make the change early rather than trying to fake it until you make it and be worse off down the line.
 
Hoof the ball said:
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Well then good he got fired if this is true.

I like how lots of people on here trash this decision without knowing anything that is going behind the scenes. I guess they are all INEOS haters that can't wait for any chance to trash them.
 
Hoof the ball said:
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This sounds like a joke but even if it were true - surely these things would have been brought up in the process of appointing him in the first place and been a significant red flag.

That said, the links with Potter were there and maybe that's where Ashworth was wanting us to go. I always felt the Southgate links were loose, but maybe that's just what I wanted to believe.
 
Probably a series of misjudgments and their consequences. Not sacking Ten Hag at the end of the season. Amorim was obviously at the time. If he was the right man, then why didn’t we go for him then. The 200m spend to fit ETH system. Missed opportunity to sack him during the first international break. Waiting until the second international break to sack ETH and bring in Amorim. Possibly the worst possible time to bring in a manger with completely different system to try to implement at the worst possible calendar scheduling. No time for the manager to implement his system adequately, limited training sessions due to the frequency of matches. Not an ideal start for Amorim and likely to bring a lot of unnecessary pressure on him as he gets to grips with squad and premier league.

No doubt the sacking of ETH has had an impact on PSR, which has impacted the ticket price, which has resulted in backlash against Ineos and Sir Jim personally. Add to the fact that we’re unlikely to get in the top 4. We’ve already heard the stories of a limited budget for Amorim and he needs to use the squad he has, which we all know is not up to scratch. This is all setting us for a difficult summer window also.

Everything’s looking a bit grim I’m afraid.
 
crossy1686 said:
To be fair, that decision cost him a fortune in compensation and if you’re going to back a manager like Ten Hag then you clearly haven’t got a clue and are hoping something works out rather than knowing. There are consequences for those kinds of decisions, and they’re easy to make when it’s not your money. If you’re raising ticket prices and sacking normal staff to cover these payouts it’s only fair that the people who actually made these decisions get potted also.
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How can Ashworth be responsible for this decision and its financial consequences when he wasn't even an employee yet at the time it was made.
 
CM said:
Agree with this but there was a very public pursuit from Ratcliffe himself where he was declaring Ashworth the best in class to anyone who would listen. I'm sure it didn't make the negotiations with Newcastle go any smoother either. He'd do better to keep his mouth shut next time.
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That's a different point and I agree. But that issue is in the past and wasn't good regardless of Ashworth being good or not, Ratcliffe doesn't strike me as particularly classy or respectful.

Also anyone telling you that a particular DOF is best in class is full of it.
 
Varun said:
Same. No way a DoF gets sacked 5 months in because the summer signings haven't proven to be great off the bat or the previous manager was given a 1yr extension etc. It's a huge task getting us back on track and there must be differences in how Ashworth sees the way forward vs Omar & Co.
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I mean it depends what he was advocating for and whether faith in him was lost. If he had a hand in giving ETH his new contract, some of the summer signings, and was advocating for a manager for a different manager to Amorim, it’s clear that the trust in his decision making was gone.

The problem is that it seems to me impossible that you interview someone and go through the lengthy period of getting him to find out you’re so unaligned on issues like these. It’s a really damning indictment on the recruitment process INEOS ran to get him.
 
Did seem an odd collection of people, perhaps one too many and Ashworth was just not aligning well with his decisions and future suggestions that could have a lot of doubt about them.

Amorim did name Dan at the club in an interview with the same duty as Viana at his previous club that he'll work with but now he's gone. Perhaps a big difference in player choices and playstyle and it was clear Ashworth was just wasting his time here.

I was very surprised Ashworth did what he did to join. I never felt we'd have this kind of lower profile British setup that Dan will want to side with. Who knows that may be what we need, we'll see in time but it did come across that Sir Jim wanted that old core back initially.
 
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FortunaUtd said:
How can Ashworth be responsible for this decision and its financial consequences when he wasn't even an employee yet at the time it was made.
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Did you read the tweet? It said Ratcliff is annoyed with Ashworth and Brailsfors for deciding to stick with Ten Hag in the summer.
 
Probably need to reduce the role of Brailsford as well. If we have trust in Omar we should let him pick his team.
 
If it's true he wanted Southgate then we know why he was ignored and sidelined, and it's good we've moved on.

Bring in someone who is on tandem with the new game model and will contribute constructively
 
Suppose the silver lining is at least they've acted decisively, no matter the optics. As more information becomes available and as time passes, we'll get to judge if it was the right decision.
 
Ichabod Ferguson said:
I mean it depends what he was advocating for and whether faith in him was lost. If he had a hand in giving ETH his new contract, some of the summer signings, and was advocating for a manager for a different manager to Amorim, it’s clear that the trust in his decision making was gone.

The problem is that it seems to me impossible that you interview someone and go through the lengthy period of getting him to find out you’re so unaligned on issues like these. It’s a really damning indictment on the recruitment process INEOS ran to get him.
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Yeah, that's what actually bothers me. How do you spend so much time making a leadership hire and then have vastly different views on the kind of manager the club needs or how the various senior executives will work together.
 
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Probably need to reduce the role of Brailsford as well. If we have trust in Omar we should let him pick his team.
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I mean there’s a whole nother issue of how sensible it is to appoint someone who intimately was involved in City’s cheating. That was swept under the rug at the time, but it’s probable worth considering the possibility that he gets caught up in it too.
 
ChippyTea said:
Yeah you’re right, it’s worse.

The optics on this are shocking, absolutely embarrassing stuff for the club.
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Right. So hiring someone then holding them to account (you think he deserved to be fired) and firing them is worse than just keeping them and not caring about their performance provided the club keep making money. Genius logic.
 
Extremely strange circumstance & makes a mockery of the club spending so much effort getting him in the first place. INEOS seem to be as disjointed as the Glazers.
 
Drainy said:
If it's true he wanted Southgate then we know why he was ignored and sidelined, and it's good we've moved on.

Bring in someone who is on tandem with the new game model and will contribute constructively
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I doubt it would have been a secret when he was appointed. Southgate or Potter links being a reason for his sacking, screams a lack of due diligence in appointing him in the first place.
 
Another Ineos screw up. Though Jimbo was primarily brought in to keep the scrutiny off the real owners and that is still mostly working so Joel must be thrilled
 
This is insane… I just don’t understand this. Why bring someone in for the footballing expertise and then not get them along in making the decision to hire Amorim? Well I’m not even sure if that was the reason. I don’t get it.

This just doesn’t make any fecking sense…
 
I bet the former staff are taking great amusement from this and Ineos shamble ownership of the club so far.
 
duffer said:
If his sacking was due to the Anorim appointment, why do it months later on a Saturday night/Sunday morning and have to arrange an emergency meeting?
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I mean Amorim hasn’t been at the club a month yet.

Anyway I’m sure it will come out. Very similar to what went on at Chelsea early on.
 
Varun said:
Yeah, that's what actually bothers me. How do you spend so much time making a leadership hire and then have vastly different views on the kind of manager the club needs or how the various senior executives will work together.
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Didn't someone suggest that Berrada wasn't part of the Ashworth decision? And if true unless the board knew Berrada and Ashworth personally, the chance of them not meshing was always fairly high.
 
Drainy said:
If it's true he wanted Southgate then we know why he was ignored and sidelined, and it's good we've moved on.

Bring in someone who is on tandem with the new game model and will contribute constructively
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And that (being in tandem with a 'game model', vision of prospective managers) is not something that would come up in a DoF job interview and a several months long hiring process, you reckon?
 
Wow. I wonder what has happened for him to up sticks? Maybe there is something going on in his personal life that needs sorting. One step forward and two steps back again. We're constantly treading water.
 
This does not look good at all. The club needed was stability at top to tidy up the mess below.

Just hope in two years SJ doesn't have an epiphany and sells his shares.
 
If he wanted to keep ETH, and/or replace him with Southgate, then we are right to axe him. Especially if there is some probation in play that saves us a few quid.

But the time wasted waiting for him, has done some major damage now (on top of the capital expense). We need to get these decisions right, and that comes from the top. We didn't hire the right guy.
 
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