Probably at a bank somewhere
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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I think I preferred the Glazers tbh.
They took over (or participated) in 2020.
If he wanted soutgate he can get stuffed.
But it does look worrying for the future. Do INEOS know what they are doing?
But it does look worrying for the future. Do INEOS know what they are doing?
And here I thought last night was the most shocked I'd be by United this week. We can only hope that this was the right call because I don't think we'll ever get any real background info about why he was sacked, just endless speculation that will all seem believable to different parts of the fanbase.
Soriano was the first ex Barcelona person to join city. That opened the flood gates with txiki, berrada, pep, estriarte, arteta and co following suit. Berrada joined united and was followed by Wilcox. We went for amorim while city (mothership) went for viana both at sporting. Ashworth sticks out like a sore thumb
Its too early to say but I have a feeling that our next sporting director will have links to city, sporting or/and Barca. If I'm a betting man then I'd go for either Wilcox (promotion) or txiki
Its too early to say but I have a feeling that our next sporting director will have links to city, sporting or/and Barca. If I'm a betting man then I'd go for either Wilcox (promotion) or txiki
Strange. It did feel with Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox, Brailsford etc there may have been 'too many chefs in the kitchen' as they say.
If it's rumoured that Ashworth wanted Southgate and Berrada wanted Amorim, maybe it us best to cut ties now instead of letting a rift fester at exec level.
If it's rumoured that Ashworth wanted Southgate and Berrada wanted Amorim, maybe it us best to cut ties now instead of letting a rift fester at exec level.
Personal fallout would most likely be a result of what their roles are or who controls what. That should be clearly demarcated at this level but yes, fallout with Omar and others looks the most likely reason and fair to cut him loose now if so.
To be fair, the summer was a textbook example of how we should not be operating.
First, the kneejerk decision to stick with a failed manager because of one match.
Then, spending the summer budget on players tailor-suited for said manager rather than future-proofing the squad for future managers.
It wasn’t just a couple of unfortunate transfer misses, it was fundamentally flawed thinking. If Ashworth presided over that, maybe he simply wasn’t the right fit.
First, the kneejerk decision to stick with a failed manager because of one match.
Then, spending the summer budget on players tailor-suited for said manager rather than future-proofing the squad for future managers.
It wasn’t just a couple of unfortunate transfer misses, it was fundamentally flawed thinking. If Ashworth presided over that, maybe he simply wasn’t the right fit.
If the Southgate bit is true, then I don't think anyone will disagree with this dismissal. 
Office staff laid off and ticket prices increased for the oinks. Meanwhile multi million pound payoffs for the guys at the top. Billionaires gonna billionaire I suppose.
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I can't remember the exact wording but there were reports that he was identified by INEOS with Berrada's blessing. Ashworth is good friends with Brailsford.
What a farce, even woodward and the glazers were never this bad in decision making.
We have wasted about 8 months of being in limbo in where we kept ten hag on because we were still waiting for the likes of ashworth and berrada to come and assess things amd ultimately wasted another transfer window on ten hag in the process.
We have wasted about 8 months of being in limbo in where we kept ten hag on because we were still waiting for the likes of ashworth and berrada to come and assess things amd ultimately wasted another transfer window on ten hag in the process.
Seems they appointed the CEO, DOF (& potentially Wilcox as well), all in isolation, meaning there was always the possibility of personality clashes etc. Should probably have appointed the CEO first, & then let him have a big say in who the DoF of his choice was etc. Or maybe I’m wrong and Berrada had input into the Dan appointment. I don’t recall the timelines.
I can see that but you'd also think his ideas would be more scalable to bigger tasks.
For England you probably want to promote English coaches for development and sustainability of your countries football culture.
For Manchester United you want the best available option for the way in which the club wants to play.
The only benefit to an English coach over Amorim is that culturally our fans are more used to direct physical football, which Amorim does like directness but more controlled than we're used to and the fans need to get used to less risky attacking football
I'm just a long time, distant supporter who knows nothing of the internal workings of our club but all this sounds feasible.
Let them crack on, build a support structure for the new manager and let's see where we are in a couple of years.
If I, at nearer 70 than 60, can be patient then surely others with a lot more time left than me can be so as well.
Seems like INEOS love to create upheaval just before a transfer window.
Great leadership
Great leadership
I'm sure Berrada laughed him out the room when he suggested that (if true)If the Southgate bit is true, then I don't think anyone will disagree with this dismissal.
Yeah It all feels very messy at the moment but we will find out what’s happened in due course.
If you want to be optimistic then you can say at least decisions are being made swiftly if problems are identified. Absolutely no point dragging on a relationship if it’s not aligned or functioning as it should.
The main question is why these factors weren’t identified before appointment however if there’s been a personality clash then some things you can’t really anticipate.
What if the people that were hired are just shit? We keep them in the name of stability? Become stably shit?
You would think so. That's why even if this is the right call, INEOS fecked up in the first place and that is a worrying sign. In terms of bad decisions, I would say that feck up is a worse than Ashworth backing ETH's prior to joining, in the summer and early in the season.
Needed to vent after yesterday's loss. I don't think Jimbo liked ETH or wanted to keep him. Anyway, we might be shite on the pitch but we're box office off it.
Well, at least they have a great team full of young talents finally.
Glazers would never sack their sporting director, if anything they would promote them like what he did to Woodward and Murtough and pretend that everything will go just fine.
I think sacking your sporting director is showing sign of being ruthless. Clearly, Sir Jim is not happy with what is happening with the club since the summer. May be the decision of keeping ten hag? And also May be also not happy with the money had been spent this summer, which reflection of poor transfer strategy?
Lost for words. Why did we chase him like that if the views were not aligned? A longer phonecall could have solved it while we were looking for best possible option in he beginning.
Edit: nope, Brailsford and Ashworth. Can't keep up
We won't be doing anything in January anyway and it looks like Wilcox and Vivell will be handed bigger roles.Seems like INEOS love to create upheaval just before a transfer window.
Great leadership
Get Woodward on the phone.
We need to get those biscuit and kitchen supply sponsors back.
We need to get those biscuit and kitchen supply sponsors back.
Berrada is the CEO, so he controls everything under him which includes Ashworth but if I remember correctly the decisision to get Ashworth was said to be taken by Brailsford/Blanc. Also people lie during interviews or make themselves look more flexible when it comes to their ideas but you can't fake it on a day to day basis, if you have annoying tendencies then people will see them.
Yeah they were. We brought in a lot of 'football people' gave them no influence and let them leave under the Glazers
My guess is that Ashworth didn't want Anorim, had been annoying Berrada and Big Jim about it in the last few weeks and on Saturday night said something like "see, Southgate wouldn't lose at home to Forest" and that was the last straw which made Jimbo tell him to clear his desk.
If there’s any truth in that it just shows that Ashworth has a different plan and timespan for things to improve at United.
I remember reliable posters mentioning it several times. From what I understood, Berrada agreed but it wasn't his target though I don't remember any alternative being mentioned.
On the face of it, it does look very grim. On the flip side let's hope they have realised he is not the best fit for the role and they have someone in mind. Good to see decisions being made (maybe).
I'd take a few years of being mid to near the bottom end of the table if they are going to rip this whole thing up and make the changes necessary. (Maybe ineos are capable of it remains to be seen).
Hm.. Don't know if it's true, but..
Not to say we had a great transfer window but the "ETH" signings were Maz, De Ligt and Zirkzee. Maz clearly is capable in both systems, I would argue De Ligt is too. Zirkzee is the main signing people point to and I think he's likely just a bad signing, regardless of the system. If anything, I would argue he fits Amorim's system more so than ETH's.
Two highly paid top honchos can't work together on single goal.
Highlights once more how much of poorly run club United are.
If its true this fallout started with him wanting to appoint Southgate as manager then he's no loss just a foolish sporting director appointment to begin with.
If its true this fallout started with him wanting to appoint Southgate as manager then he's no loss just a foolish sporting director appointment to begin with.
Rumours were that Ashworth wanted him kept and Wilcox wanted him out.