Off topic but how much do accounts like this get paid to advertise Stake (the gambling site)? It's so many of them.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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Off topic but how much do accounts like this get paid to advertise Stake (the gambling site)? It's so many of them.
It was all fun and games until one day Onana did catch it
This isn't some manager, or a coach, or whatever. Appointing a guy in that position, especially one like Ashworth, who was supposed to be in the center of the football structure, requires careful consideration and planning. What careful consideration and planning did they do that ends up with him sacked after 5 months? Not to mention the time and funds wasted chasing him. This isn't a junior employee or an intern that you can afford to dismiss over one screw up, or because you don't fancy him. It's unconscionable. What if his replacement messes up something? He's gone too after 5 months?
It's amateurish and comical, and at this level you can't be that. I firmly believe INEOS have no clue what they are doing, Nice and Lausanne are undeniable proof of this as far as I'm concerned, and I always thought it's very naive to believe they'd suddenly become competent in charge of a project much larger and in a much worse state relatively.
Yeah, it's a bit concerning without any additional info and context, but there could be many valid reasons why this decision has been made.
The outrage is also a bit weird to me considering how most of the fanbase have been crying out for ruthlessness under the new regime.
Same old shit. Ratcliffe is just rebranded Glazers. No clue at all with too much power.
Ashworth may well have been deserving the sack, he did not appear to be doing a great job and the summer signings have been appalling - but that still raises serious questions going forward about the judgement of Ratcliffe to appoint him in the first place, and to get deep into cash payouts to do so. Extremely concerning all round really.
Ashworth may well have been deserving the sack, he did not appear to be doing a great job and the summer signings have been appalling - but that still raises serious questions going forward about the judgement of Ratcliffe to appoint him in the first place, and to get deep into cash payouts to do so. Extremely concerning all round really.
Which summer signings (plural) have been appalling?
Yep, it looks a shambles. An argument may be that ETH getting sacked was the end for Ashworth anyway. Therefore why trust the man that convinced them to keep ETH and sack him a few months later costing the extra money.
Again a lot comes down to conversations none of us were privy to but does one bad managerial move spell the end for a DoF? It seems a bit over reactionary over a guy you chased and waited several months for that a decision he influenced while not officially in duty ultimately gets him sacked.
Yeah like you’d buy a player because you think they’re good. Then you see them and you revise your thoughts.
INEOS making me miss woodward
Uh-oh. It's moving from one clown show to another. This is crazy. We spent months publicly chasing him, load to hire him and 5 months later he's gone? This cannot be a performance thing as everyone knows that it would take much to evaluate any changes from the DOF level so it suggests to me he much have been butting heads with people.
Let's be honest here if this happened at Chelsea we would all be laughing at them. We are just a laughing stock for the whole league now. Everytime you think that things can't get worse we are proven wrong
And as with most rebranding, the new is worse than the old.
So you basically rattle off a list of reasons why Ashworth deserved the sack but start by saying it is like the Glazers. When did they sack an executive for failing for football reasons after 5 months? It’s feck all like the glazers.
But we need to wait to see more info? If the story comes out he’s done something dodgey or we hire someone who works out better, how would it be comical?
We don’t even know what happened. Our Summer was a complete mess so I can understand how owners would not be content with that but it almost certainly came down to more than that.
Absolute circus of a club.
The articles write themselves, but pretty clearly SJR handles the business side of things, and has left the football decisions to the football people. They made a monumental error in retaining Ten Hag over the summer, not only the cost of firing him but also the transfers we backed him with. I’d be surprised if Jim wasn’t fuming. He’s put these people in high profile senior positions and they’ve stumbled at their first hurdle. We really don’t want a situation where Ratcliffe feels he has to get hands on with the football side of things.
Whos call was about keeping Erik? If it was Dan's decision then maybe Jim lost a plot over that. Anyway, it is complete shambles.
Banter club. Although I have to admit that our summer was fecking horrific. Doubt much of that was down to him already though...
So why doesn't he blame and fire his right hand INEOS guys who actually ran the club over the summer, instead of the person who came in mid-July when the managerial decision, and likely most groundwork for signings, was long since made?
This is not good leadership.
What is the thinking here!?
It was mainly Ashworth and Wilcox who made that call, and its been absolutely disasterous.
This is stupid all over.
You dont judge a DOF in 5 months, not even when he hasn't appoint a new manager yet. Amorim is 2 weeks into the job?
If you dont trust your DOF to be right, then dont fecking hire him in the first place.
If he thinks ETH deserves more time, let him live or die by his decisions. What's the point again if you're going to veto him? If he thinks Amorim is not the man, you listen to him because that's what you hire him for.
I would be furious as well if I'm hired as DOF and not given the authority to decide on footballing matter.
Plus... Good luck finding another good DOF who wants to work under SJR.
You dont judge a DOF in 5 months, not even when he hasn't appoint a new manager yet. Amorim is 2 weeks into the job?
If you dont trust your DOF to be right, then dont fecking hire him in the first place.
If he thinks ETH deserves more time, let him live or die by his decisions. What's the point again if you're going to veto him? If he thinks Amorim is not the man, you listen to him because that's what you hire him for.
I would be furious as well if I'm hired as DOF and not given the authority to decide on footballing matter.
Plus... Good luck finding another good DOF who wants to work under SJR.
Yeah you’re right, it’s worse.
The optics on this are shocking, absolutely embarrassing stuff for the club.
Is Woodward still jobless ?
SJR might have done this for the right reasons or the wrong , more detail and time will tell.
I do admire him for correcting perceived mistakes and not digging in.
His tenure & ownership are finding their feet and most likely had ideological clashes.
Ashworth seem like a theoretical and philosophical man and not a footballing man like Berrada. I prefer the latter where we are.
I do admire him for correcting perceived mistakes and not digging in.
His tenure & ownership are finding their feet and most likely had ideological clashes.
Ashworth seem like a theoretical and philosophical man and not a footballing man like Berrada. I prefer the latter where we are.
Judging him only works if you actually let him do what he thinks it's best.
There's an old Chinese saying
"Trust the man you hire, if you dont trust him dont hire him"
That's possibly the case - even if it's the right move for the long term direction it puts into question INEOS' decision making for getting him in the first place. It's pretty much the same as keeping ETH to get rid a few months later.
Chase this guy publicly for months, pay a compensation fee and get rid in less than 6 months. You can look ruthless and silly at the same time - let's just hope it doesn't become a trend, making big 'wrong' decisions and then correcting them shortly after.
I wouldn't be surprised if we were relegated by 2030 at the latest, no joke.
Even the last bit of hope in becoming a well structured club is now gone. Simply embarrassing.
Even the last bit of hope in becoming a well structured club is now gone. Simply embarrassing.
We dont know what went on behind the scenes. It could have been a clash of personalities. Maybe Berrada, Wilcox and the rest couldn’t find synergy with him. We just don’t know yet.
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First thing that’s made me smile on here for months. And I have to say a chastening, but very real, analogy.
It isn’t far off the late 80’s when sometimes twenty odd thousand of us would be left going to OT on a Saturday, to watch another lame defeat, but the addiction just kept bringing you back time and again.
I guess once you make peace with the fact you’ll ultimately always end up supporting the club no matter which league we are even in, it helps ease the mind through the chaos and calamity
i just hope to God INEOS don’t get 100% ownership. I honestly think they’ll be far worse than the Glazers.
People care way too much about optics. The only thing that actually matter for the club and the people involved is whether the decision make sense when it comes to the actual work they have to do together. If they realized that they weren't a good fit and that parting ways was the better move, then so be it. It's a lot better to be in a good situation than look like you are in one.
And here I am stuck in the middle with you
This is utterly bizarre. Basically Ratcliffe's blaming Ashworth for us keeping ETH and signing more dross?
I think Berrada and Ashworth clashed, don't forget Berrada is very much a football man himself, maybe he wants to be more hands on in the football side and that's getting in the way with Ashworth.