There’s a contract that both sides need to abide. At the most, people can just put a more favorable terms there.
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Dougie Freedman didn't want to become Dougie Jailedman in the kingdom of Geordie Arabia
This transfer window was always going to be a bit of a bust in terms of either not having the personnel in or not having them in with enough time to actually do something. I assume the new management will go over what the club had already been preparing for this summer and try to make the best out of it, it's not like there are no plans whatsoever.
Will they be seen as a big club by acquiescing to Ashworth's wishes and United's demand or holding firm to their terms?
In your eyes. Who told you that Freedman didn't go to them because of this?
We are the only losing party as we are the only ones hanging in balance. The Saudis will go get another Dof and Ashworth will get paid during his gardening leave & then find another job, or maybe United will still be idiotically waiting for him.
Rest of your post is a pile of shit. Based on conjectures and shit you have concocted in your head. An important position such as this requires full dedication and hands on work. No one will be able to manage such a shambles that is Manchester United sitting at home under a myriad of restrictions.
If finding a good DOF would have been that easy, then Saudis would've already found one as Ashworth resigned on 19th Feb. It's also weird to claim that Newcastle aren't a losing party in this, they are also without a DOF and all of them their targets have been so woefully underwhelming.
Also, there's no doubt that Ashworth will be United's next DOF. There's no way he's going through all this without being guaranteed the job here at United.
How can that be? More likely it is for the unreasonable demands from Newcastle
I doubt it
There are a lot of contradictions about what he will even be doing
Also many people seem to (wrongly) think he’s already working
This is where I'm at. This guy better be the Lionel Messi of suits. And I doubt it currently.
Tbf, We have fecked over Newcastle quite a lot in the last two seasons. Trashed them in Carabao cup final and then took European football away from them last season. They had delusion of being a big club after Saudis took them over but they are quite irrelevant right now. The Ashworth news cycle helps keep them relevant, so good for them.
They can continue to be linked with James Trafford and Dominic Calvert Lewin.
They can continue to be linked with James Trafford and Dominic Calvert Lewin.
That is independent of what happens with Ashworth. Keeping Ashworth on gardening leave isn't preventing them from finding a new Dof. Ashworth already resigned and we are the ones waiting to appoint him. Newcastle gets no benefit from hastening the process to our benefit.
Then again, we are the ones losing out by being struck in this predicament. Don't know how long this whole process is going to take to sort out. We can't get properly going unless this is resolved. It's a frustrating situation.
So
- he's definitely not going to work at Newcastle again
- he's definitely going to be involved at United at some capacity in the future
- Newcastle are holding off for compensation, during which period they have to continue paying his salary
- in arbitration, they "may" or may not get 20m.
How are Newcastle benefiting from not settling this quickly?
- he's definitely not going to work at Newcastle again
- he's definitely going to be involved at United at some capacity in the future
- Newcastle are holding off for compensation, during which period they have to continue paying his salary
- in arbitration, they "may" or may not get 20m.
How are Newcastle benefiting from not settling this quickly?
There’s just another problem with state ownership, bottomless pits of money simply couldn’t give a shit about losing money.
Hanging in balance
Don't be silly.
Ideally he'd be at the club now so we can start preparing for future transfer windows, but the reality is that Newcastle seems to be confused and think Ashworth is a first team player, considering the laughable compensation fees they are after. This is for a DoF that has seen his role be diminished due to Howe. It's fairly obvious that Newcastle are being difficult for the sake of being difficult, simply hoping that we'll be desperate enough to fork out a mental fee. As for the consequences for Newcastle, it's a small world and you can be fairly certain that situations like this is going to be in the back of the head of anyone considering working for them. Essentially you'll want to have an exit strategy or not want to work for them at all. These type of roles are always likely to involve people changing jobs and moving to competitors, simply because the landscape will change over time. Maybe the role at Club B became something entirely different than initially pitched, maybe a completely different club with a very interesting setup is looking at hiring you, maybe you don't function well with the other people at the club, maybe this maybe that. Being complete dicks about someone wanting to feck off to another club is never going to be a good strategy. Even with players it's a short term strategy.
They are not benefiting from it, they are trying to set a standard by saying they are more than happy to keep a player/staff around if they don't honor their contractual obligations, unless their next employer is ready to pay an obscene compensation.
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We are definitely in a limbo and can't get properly going unless he starts working for us. How is that in dispute? Don't be silly.
Yeah, they are of course being dicks. However, all this talk of 'no will join them" "players will be more sceptical joining them because of this" etc. is bullshit. These are unique situations and have a minimal affect on future signings/appointments.
You're being more dramatic than Hyacinth when Richard drives. We're hardly hanging in balance.
I doubt many people are actually claiming that this is going to have detrimental effects on Newcastles signing players, but it's obviously going to have an effect on people joining them in executive roles. People like Ashworth changing jobs isn't more unique than people changing jobs in any other management position outside of football. It happens at every club, success or no success, just like clubs hire other backroom staff. It's a small world.
What do you mean how can that be? Contracts stipulate their gardening leave. Ashworth knew the duration of his gardening leave in the event of an exit and signed the terms.
This is all very normal in any client facing role. I've served it myself. You just get on with it, and enjoy the break. Do some travelling, unless employers can agree on a deal (which Newcastle are not obligated to do).
I am not being dramatic, just laying out the situation as it stands today. Even Sir Jimmy B looked visibly frustrated about the whole thing in his recent interview. Ideally, INEOS would have liked to have their Dof in place to start their new regime. Now everything gets pushed until Ashworth gets himself free from the Saudis clutches. It's one of the most important, if not the most important, position on the football side.
We'll see what effect does it have on them. Some new guy being worried about joining them because they may not release him easily when another club comes calling seems absurd to me. Anyway, I really don't care about them. I am more concerned that we don't have a Dof in place because of all this bullshit.
Does anyone know what happened to the arbitration that was supposed to start in May?
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Well, they can just make sure they don't agree to excessive gardening leave and then join the club.
Exactly, it's not like they are keeping prisoners. I wonder what was Ashworth thinking signing on an eighteen month gardening leave.
Well recommending Southgate to be our manager does tell me he is not worth waiting a year for.
So it's going to have an effect.
It is?
Put it this way - either your insinuation that the gardening leave is too long and Newcastle are unreasonable is correct, in which case they normalise contracts and neither party don't have a problem.
Or, the gardening leave terms were an industry standard and they shouldnt have a problem bringing in executives.
There's a lot of talk about how unreasonable Newcastle are. You have to remember Dan Ashworth had exited after he had barely been in their seat for a year, after they patiently waited for his gardening leave to finish at Brighton. That's also not very normal at top clubs, and can be classed as a dick move.
Hampering a direct rival, instead of empowering them, while they themselves remain without a replacement during transfer season. It makes absolute sense to do it. That is their benefit - their opponent doesn't get stronger while they remain weaker. And also not looking like small fry kowtowing to the whims of a bigger club - something they aspire to be now. Just because United woke one day and decided to have Ashworth doesn't mean Newcastle should prostrate themselves and deliver him immediately, especially considering he was supposed to be one of the most important drivers of their ascension. It's a cutthroat business - United have the right to chase him, and he has the right to look for other opportunities - but that doesn't mean Newcastle are in anyway obliged to play along and to their detriment. I'm sure there is also them being spiteful, but they can afford to keep him on and pay his wages because they are the richest club on the planet. And on Ashworth's side of things, he should have read his contract better. No one forced him to agree to these terms. And I believe the suggestions this will have an effect on their future recruitment to be unfounded. Like it or not, Newcastle will rise. Anything else is just living in denial. As such they remain an interesting project. And once again, they have the most money, and that's always a good position to be in.
This situation reminds me of the most recent one with Antony - where Ajax were the bad guys and a small club because they didn't immediately submit to Manchester United a couple of weeks before the closure of the transfer window, and demanded an exceedingly high price for their player - something which in hindsight turned out to be the correct move on their side.
Due to this myopic chase, United are now committed, as the club can't just ditch Ashworth after this. So, we wait for this to get resolved, and pray he is worth it.
Hope Dan's contract has performance bonus clause while on 18 months gardening leave. Otherwise it makes no sense.
They don't need money and one of their competitors for CL football is wihtout a DoF.
A DoF we never really had. Wilcox and the CEO can absolutely cover the nonsense Murtough was doing.
Exactly. If this was the other way round I think you’d see some very different perspectives here. I suspect they’ll come to an agreement and Utd will end up paying more than they said they would. But that’s just basic negotiation.
At a cost to them, its not like Ashworth is going to be doing nothing in this time.
He will still be getting United reports, he just cant do anything in an official capacity.
Maybe its a good time for him to scout and further his contacts in readiness to begin, whilst being paid by NEwcastle.
Just found out he doesn’t live far from me, might pop down to see how his garden is getting on. Must be looking amazing by now.
Then he better not be caught working for United.
Because it prevents us having him working for us earlier and they might get a lot more money from holding out.
The fact they fired him after he resigned
Who says its a fact? You're now just deciding to make things up at this stage.
Can he do that though? Seems like a crazy risk. If there’s a paper trail somewhere and Utd can be shown to be aware or involved couldn’t they be penalised?
Not officially work for United no. I doubt he will be sending emails and things on behalf of United.
Look at the loopholes Chelsea are finding over FFP, do you think Ashworth is going to be sat at home doing no work?
I do get what you’re saying, Newcastle clearly can’t stop him thinking about how he’d act once he got the Utd job.
I guess i’m just unsure how effective he would be. If I was him I’d be very wary of picking up the phone and calling an agent for example.
Might not be as affective but I am sure SJR or Berrada can pick up the phone and run through things with him.
He can make plans that once he is there, he can implement them. We have various things that I am usre he is looking at.
Yep- I think you’re crying out for that kind of strategic direction, to have an overarching transfer policy that doesn’t change each time the manager leaves. He’s got a big job on his hands though and I’d bet he’s fecking frustrated at the prospect of this summer slipping away. I guess we’ll see what happens when he does come in. If he sorts out a few transfers (in and out) in the first official month then that will clearly indicate that he’s found a way to work off the books.
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