Cristiano Ronaldo

Sied said:
There were quite a few posters on the first page who don't want him back.

Personally I'm one of those fans who doesn't worry too much about the fee. I'm sure Woodward and the Glazers have a much better understanding of the value of a player to us, than any fan does.
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I do to be honest. I'm sure there are times when I've put it aside late in a window when we're desperate but generally I do take into account. Probably due to my line of work. However, while glazers and Woodward are investing more time into setting a value for a player, let's be honest, that form turns out to be wrong, and that's what fans discuss and are entitled to discuss. Di Maria wasn't worth 57 million, Rooney isn't worth his last contract. I'm sure these were discussed by experts but it doesn't make them right.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I do to be honest. I'm sure there are times when I've put it aside late in a window when we're desperate but generally I do take into account. Probably due to my line of work. However, while glazers and Woodward are investing more time into setting a value for a player, let's be honest, that form turns out to be wrong, and that's what fans discuss and are entitled to discuss. Di Maria wasn't worth 57 million, Rooney isn't worth his last contract. I'm sure these were discussed by experts but it doesn't make them right.
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Why worry, since your view has no effect on how much we pay for anyone.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I do to be honest. I'm sure there are times when I've put it aside late in a window when we're desperate but generally I do take into account. Probably due to my line of work. However, while glazers and Woodward are investing more time into setting a value for a player, let's be honest, that form turns out to be wrong, and that's what fans discuss and are entitled to discuss. Di Maria wasn't worth 57 million, Rooney isn't worth his last contract. I'm sure these were discussed by experts but it doesn't make them right.
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It's going to be a talking point for some fans, sure. Probably a stick for opposition fans to beat us with if it doesn't work out, like the di Maria fee. However if it means I get more enjoyment from watching United twice a week, I couldn't give two fecks myself.
 
Raoul said:
You're obviously concerned about a transfer as if you have any say in the matter. Weird, but ok.
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I have far bigger concerns than football transfers/transfer fees. That was all round strange post to say the least. I mean whose view here has any impact on the club?
 
I would be over the moon if we did sign him, I don't care about the fee (as long as its not to insane.) Woody knows what he is doing there.

He is one of the best players in the world and I like having the best players play for us so it makes sense to me, plus its Ronaldo!! back at Old Trafford!! scoring goals and helping us challenge for titles. Our defense and midfield are strong, if we add him to our line up it would make such a difference to what is our weakest area at the moment. I think signing him would only help elevate us closer to the top again.
 
dwd said:
Why do you care about the fee? Are you saving up for something?
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Ummm other players?

But thank you for that, it's indeed people who in reality "don't care about the fee", who are trying to give lessons here about "marketability" and how we'll get our money back in no time, just by him showing up in Old Trafford.

I at least appreciate your honesty in admitting that you don't care about money, instead of creating imaginary and silly theories to justify your opinion, like this one...

Raoul said:
Easily. The clubs stock would certainly rise thereby increasing market cap, and additional money would be generated by trophy success and increased merchandise sales. Collectively, it would not only pay for his fee and wages, it would do it several times over.
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:lol:
 
On one hand it's a no brainer, on the other hand I really wouldn't like us to build the team around him.
 
Raoul said:
Barkley obviously.
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I'm sorry but some of the stuff I'm reading here is unbelievable so I had to ask to be sure. "Better than WC Robben", "explosive player who runs at defenses", "missing link to CL contention" ...

Tell that to these Real Madrid fans who watch him week in week out:

I have one observation from yesterday that clearly demonstrates how much Ronaldo has lost it this year. Several times yesterday we were countering and when the forward pass went to Ronaldo and what did he do? - He stopped running killing the team forward momentum. Why because he doesn't have the speed anymore and ends up doing a ridiculous feint and then passes the ball away thereby completely blowing the forward momentum. This demonstrates not only is he a defensive liability but an offensive one as well yet alone how little regard he has to his teammates.
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No desire from him. He is a shadow of the player he was.. he looks like he needs a new challenge. Suarez, Neymar and Messi are all better than him this season and probably last too.

If PSG will pay 100M euros for him they will get mugged him, he's on a fast decline and only getting goals against crap teams have masked it. His all-round performances have been on the decline for years and only now people are realising he's finished at this great club (the kings club, Real Madrid) now the goals have dried up to mask his poor performances. Bye bye. Thanks for the memories but father time waits for no man, and football is always about the Next Big Thing.
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Even when playing as a targetman, we used to kick the ball ahead of the defensive line and he'd teleport himself in front of everybody and score those tasty slotted goals to the left or the right. He doesn't have that anymore. Him playing in front of goal means that the damage of him not covering for anybody and not doing much else but being productive in the final third of the pitch is minimized.

Ronaldo is right now probably considerably slower than Bale, and maybe even slower than James. Why would anybody think he needs to play on the left is a mystery. It's either in front of goal, or Marcelo does double duty doing all the stuff Ronaldo can't do on top of his own stuff.

No thanks.
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His main thing was to play the ball ahead of the player and leave him in the dust with his pace in the first few steps, but he has none of that anymore. People play with their back to him by now because they know he doesn't have that anymore.

Never mind the fact that he basically doesn't cover for nobody, it's ridiculously pointless. It was a good payoff when nobody could stop him on the left because theam were scared of him and it opened up space for Marcelo. There's none of that anymore though. Players can take him head on by now.
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You and i both two... I've been a critic of Ronaldo since Man Utd. Gave him a couple years to see if Madrid would change him; but he got worse. I wouldn't say he doesn't care about team success, but it's extremely secondary to his individual feats. His trophy count here just proves it. His movie, that I could only stomach for 10 mins was insane btw... Worse than the FIFA movie amazingly.
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been saying for years now cr only plays for himself and the team will hardly win anything with him, even though some are trying to throw benzema under the bus just for the sake of it is funny, anyway sooner cr leaves the better, the team plays much better without him their is plenty of games to back that up.
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I've been saying it for like 2 years.Ronaldo is a liability when he doesn't score. I hope the club does cash big on him, he just keeps getting worse and worse.
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everything about CR, i agree with you, he is poison
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Deserved win. Neymar and Suarez keep proving that they are class and that Barca can live without Messi. Every single RM player deserves a slap, none of them showed any passion nor the will to at least make it 4:1 or something. This has to be the worst RM performance in a long time. You can't blame Benitez for this one. He wanted to be more defending but the whole team pressured him to attack Barca so he put on the most attack oriented lineup and he lost. No matter what, this is gonna be the busiest RM summer in the last 6 years. Benitez and Florentino are both hanging by a thread and it's clear that at least 1 out of Bale and Ronaldo will be sold. I'd honestly prefer if both were sold. It's pretty obvious that Ronaldo declined and that he isn't even in top 3 or even top 5 players in the world. Bale isn't even in top 20 in my honest opinion.
I think the club needs a fresh start, BBC absolutely can't keep up with MSN. Neymar and Messi are twice the players when compared to Bale and Ronaldo. Suarez is class but so is Benzema. I seriously would be glad if both Bale and Ronaldo get sold and we focus on Benzema and new signings.
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http://www.goallegacy.net/t38569p18-what-should-happen-official-thread#1526786
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthrea...arcelona-0-4?p=1561024&viewfull=1#post1561024
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...-the-cristiano-ronaldo-thread.2025769/page-18

And how likely is it that he will elevate a team that has to grind out wins against the likes of Watford to CL contention levels while he's entered his 30s and is visibly declining after winning those whooping 2 major trophies in 7 years with a far superior support cast at Madrid during his peak years? Yeah, not very likely.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You don't know what point scoring means? Read it up.

You're informing me of something I already know and disagree with (price condition inserted)? Alright, mate, that makes sense. Next time when you're discussing Lvgs team selection, do feel free to go around telling people who disagree with the selection, that LvG being the manager did in fact select the team and is paid to do so, you know, they're wrong. They'll love it!

That sentence in the middle doesn't even make any sense.

Wait, so does every players' "brand" follow the David Beckham trajectory? Or is he the only footballer with such an appeal post retirement/well after his peak? Also, how much have his clubs post Madrid actually benefitted from the brand? It's pointless if he largely made post of the moolah himself.


Of course he is. Noone suggested otherwise. But given his age he might not give us 5 great years which was the actual point being made.
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Lol we're resorting to childish digs now?

You are grasping at straws, and you know it. The manager has been quoted as saying he likes Ronaldo and he is looking to sign him, which (as well as the reports) suggests that the suits(paid professionals) have weighed our options and have most likely given the go ahead, unless Gaal acts arbitrarily - which i highly doubt, surely this trumps the opinion of an individual on an internet forum.

The fact that you think the move is daft, and the club is still going ahead with it, definitely means you're wrong. The only reason we are actually talking about this, is because it is apparent we are in for him, which would most certainly not be the case if the suits thought it was daft.

No. Not every player, but global phenomenons. If you actually read my posts to understand, and not to criticise, you'd have noticed the bits where i called Ronaldo a "commercial juggernaut" in the same vein as the Beckhams and Jordans of the world - entities that don't necessarily have to be active in their respective fields to increase their brand values and capitalise on endorsements.

I only brought up Beckham's post retirement earnings to trump this

It makes complete sense to compare his commercial appeal during his peak years to his post-peak years. While he is now the finished article in a commercial sense, he has scope for decline in terms of footballing ability and hence commercial appeal post 31. What is more marketable? A 28 year old balon dor winner, or a 34 year old past it footballer? That has to be taken into account as well as his current brand value. Besides I find the brand value talk a little overrated. Much of the moolah of his marketability will actually go to Ronaldo himself.
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Now regarding the club capitalising on his brand, Ronaldo's presence in the squad would open the door to more commercial endorsements for the club as he is currently the most popular player in the world, this would open United to untapped markets and also strengthen our brand in existing markets. Not sure why i have to explain the perks of having such a global superstar in your team. And this is without mentioning shirt sales and brand image on products like Bulova watches,New Era hats, etc.

He is capable of giving us good years as everyone has said (you yourself suggested 4), there's no point touching on this.

Ultimately, this has been a long and hectic argument. The increase in the number of substantial reports and the fact that the manager has already spoken about potentially signing the individual - also given the situation at Madrid,suggests that he is very much on our radar, which also means the suits have taken all factors into consideration and given the go ahead - which i doubt they would've, if it were a daft decision.

The argument about his brand value was as a result of my comments about Madrid's asking price, as i believe they have every right to demand such a hefty fee, given what they stand to lose in the commercial sense, to which you disagree, that's fine.

You don't think his brand is worth that much? you're entitled to your opinion. Hopefully I've covered everything.
 
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Cait Sith said:
I'm sorry but some of the stuff I'm reading here is unbelievable so I had to ask to be sure. "Better than WC Robben", "explosive player who runs at defenses", "missing link to CL contention" ...

Tell that to these Real Madrid fans who watch him week in week out:






















http://www.goallegacy.net/t38569p18-what-should-happen-official-thread#1526786
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthrea...arcelona-0-4?p=1561024&viewfull=1#post1561024
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...-the-cristiano-ronaldo-thread.2025769/page-18

And how likely is it that he will elevate a team that has to grind out wins against the likes of Watford to CL contention levels while he's entered his 30s and is visibly declining after winning those whooping 2 major trophies in 7 years with a far superior support cast at Madrid during his peak years? Yeah, not very likely.
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I could give two fecks what a bunch of spoiled Madrid fans think at this point. Even in his final years here, we had a gaggle of complete morons who regularly had a go at him, perpetually understated his relevance, and claimed Rooney was significantly more influential etc etc. I'll leave the assessment of his ability to LvG, Giggs, Fergie and the rest of them.
 
Danny1982 said:
Nobody said we'd rather not want him here. What's said is:

1- We'd rather not want him here for 60m pounds.

2- We don't think he's coming to United because he's more likely to play for Madrid or PSG than us.
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The second one is understandable and likely but I am hearing a lot of "would not want him" here as well. And okay, I'll rephrase my question: What would you rather want us to be spending 60 million on?
 
shamans said:
The second one is understandable and likely but I am hearing a lot of "would not want him" here as well. And okay, I'll rephrase my question: What would you rather want us to be spending 60 million on?
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A player with some potential/still have enough years ahead of him if it works out, Pogba, Bale, Neymar (even if he costs much more). I think we should be looking at those kind of players if we decide to splash big cash (which will mean less money available for other reinforcements). Spending all of your budget to build a team around a 31-32 years old is not the right strategy imo.
 
Cait Sith said:
I'm sorry but some of the stuff I'm reading here is unbelievable so I had to ask to be sure. "Better than WC Robben", "explosive player who runs at defenses", "missing link to CL contention" ...

Tell that to these Real Madrid fans who watch him week in week out:






















http://www.goallegacy.net/t38569p18-what-should-happen-official-thread#1526786
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthrea...arcelona-0-4?p=1561024&viewfull=1#post1561024
http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...-the-cristiano-ronaldo-thread.2025769/page-18

And how likely is it that he will elevate a team that has to grind out wins against the likes of Watford to CL contention levels while he's entered his 30s and is visibly declining after winning those whooping 2 major trophies in 7 years with a far superior support cast at Madrid during his peak years? Yeah, not very likely.
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I was on Goallegacy years ago, they are not the barometer of anything. Alonso> Scholes and Ajax being bigger than United are two of their 'considered views'
Bigsoccer is a joke tbh.
There's plenty of people here who watch just as much Madrid games as they do i.e. Through the TV
 
Danny1982 said:
A player with some potential/still have enough years ahead of him if it works out, Pogba, Bale, Neymar (even if he costs much more). I think we should be looking at those kind of players if we decide to splash big cash (which will mean less money available for other reinforcements). Spending all of your budget to build a team around a 31-32 years old is not the right strategy imo.
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£60 million is all of our budget?
 
Hope it's not true. He's not the same player he once was, nowadays he does not singled-handledly decide the game, run at defenders nor create many chances for the team (see Portugal NT, he's only as good as his team). Ronaldo's became tap-in expert, player always be at the right place at the right time to score luxury goals, top-class striker but that's it.
I'd love to have him back but seriously don't think he would elevate us to another level. His scoring record has many things to do with the fact that Real Madrid creates a lot for him.

Would rather have Bale or Griezmann .
 
A typical United budget on transfer fees is upwards of £150m. Ronaldo's reported price tag is £60m and his current salary is £11.9m.
 
I wouldn't necessarily be against it but I'd much rather have other younger players. Even if he isn't quite on the decline just yet he most likely will be soon, much of what makes him so good is physical.
 
Danny1982 said:
A player with some potential/still have enough years ahead of him if it works out, Pogba, Bale, Neymar (even if he costs much more). I think we should be looking at those kind of players if we decide to splash big cash (which will mean less money available for other reinforcements). Spending all of your budget to build a team around a 31-32 years old is not the right strategy imo.
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Neymar is not realistic. I would take Ronaldo over Bale and/or Pogba.
 
fallengt said:
Hope it's not true. He's not the same player he once was, nowadays he does not singled-handledly decide the game, run at defenders nor create many chances for the team (see Portugal NT, he's only as good as his team). Ronaldo's became tap-in expert, player always be at the right place at the right time to score luxury goals, top-class striker but that's it.
I'd love to have him back but seriously don't think he would elevate us to another level. His scoring record has many things to do with the fact that Real Madrid creates a lot for him.

Would rather have Bale or Griezmann .
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would agree with this. We need to spend in several areas. Winger obviously. But also in midfield and forwards.

Uderstand we are in for a defender in Jan?
 
FFS there's actually people saying they wouldn't have Ronaldo back, goodness me :lol:

Would be ideal to bring him back and get shot of Rooney. Would be perfect.
 
I think people are forgetting something. LVG likes working with a small squad to give opportunities to kids. I wouldn't be expecting that many players unless we sell a load. I think 2/3 between now and the summer and Ronaldo might be one of them we bring in. Even if he was a flat track bully for 3-4 years - we'd probably win a fair few trophies..

I think it would be nice and while some say he gave his best years to Madrid - don't think he's not regretted it ever since ;) He's talked about leaving more times then he did at United
 
It would make more sense getting Bale, given his age and how Ronaldo may questionably be on a downhill now.
 
At this point I would rather that we go for Bale. He would provide pace on the left and Martial can play in the center.

The Ronaldo today is not the same player that left us for Real. Given his tremendous ego I doubt he would fit in with LvG's philosophy.
 
I started a thread last season asking about taking a 30 years old ronaldo back, the response was overwhelming in favor of signing him, some people were convinced that the way he takes care of himself would allow him to play at that level till his mid 30s, a year later and the whole tone has changed.

Football is unpredictable like that, and for madrid to get the best years out of him and sell him back to us next summer, probably for a similar fee, would make us complete idiots.
 
Don't want him back.He'll definitely improve us (because he's Ronaldo) but I prefer younger,hungrier player.I want to keep good memories about the young Ronaldo,not a deteriorated, transformed-into-a-poacher one.It's just feel like dating your ex-girlfriend.
 
Someone said:
I started a thread last season asking about taking a 30 years old ronaldo back, the response was overwhelming in favor of signing him, some people were convinced that the way he takes care of himself would allow him to play at that level till his mid 30s, a year later and the whole tone has changed.

Football is unpredictable like that, and for madrid to get the best years out of him and sell him back to us next summer, probably for a similar fee, would make us complete idiots.
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I remember that thread. Unfortunately, some people can't see beyond the tip of their own noses around here and the moment he goes on a goal drought, they miraculously jump out from the Bushes to proclaim his demise. With his fitness, I can easily see him playing at a high level until his mid to late 30s.
 
Roman Bellic said:
The fact that you think the move is daft, and the club is still going ahead with it, definitely means you're wrong. The only reason we are actually talking about this, is because it is apparent we are in for him, which would most certainly not be the case if the suits thought it was daft.
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:lol: That's just such a poor argument. I'm sorry I can't carry on a discussion with a chap whose argument is completely based on the premise that "You're wrong because the club thinks you're wrong", as if the club has never gotten anything wrong. Ever. Bebe never happened. Di Maria for 57 million never happened. David Moyes never happened. Or wait, maybe David Moyes was the right decision, because the club made it. I mean, come on, the argument simply can't be that weak. Oh and also another thing you got wrong was that the club being interested in Ronaldo was in contradiction to my opinion. So those things you're stating as "facts" aren't actually facts. My view was related to the fee, not to signing Ronaldo. If the club is interested in signing Ronaldo, my view is aligned with theirs. Cheers for this conversation.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
:lol: That's just such a poor argument. I'm sorry I can't carry on a discussion with a chap whose argument is completely based on the premise that "You're wrong because the club thinks you're wrong", as if the club has never gotten anything wrong. Ever. Bebe never happened. Di Maria for 57 million never happened. David Moyes never happened. Or wait, maybe David Moyes was the right decision, because the club made it. I mean, come on, the argument simply can't be that weak. Oh and also another thing you got wrong was that the club being interested in Ronaldo was in contradiction to my opinion. So those things you're stating as "facts" aren't actually facts. My view was related to the fee, not to signing Ronaldo. If the club is interested in signing Ronaldo, my view is aligned with theirs. Cheers for this conversation.
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I've no clue what this post even means.
 
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