Cristiano Ronaldo

Signing Ronaldo would be pure delirium.

There's always a lot of negative people on here, it's what forums do, but I'm pretty certain the vast majority of season ticket holders and game goers would be delighted
 
People saying they wouldn't want him back are fecking insane.
 
I don't think he's on decline yet but with Benitez coaching even if Neymar, Suarez and Messi was playing on his team they would suck. The man is not made to coach a big team and yesterday was a joke. Also why people here are so worry how much Ronaldo would cost? United spent millions and millions since Ferguson left and the team still have huge problems.
 
Don't see it happening at all. He seems so accustomed to the lifestyle playing in Spain brings and he wants records. I imagine he want to set a scoring record for Madrid that would be hard for anyone to come close to for a very long time
 
Some people don't think about the whole picture. They see his age and price tag and would be concerned that if we got him, it'd limit us and we'd maybe miss out on others. There are plenty of positives but the glass will always be half empty for some people.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
And it's up to me to give my opinion on that which is that it is poor business to buy him for as much as you sold him especially when tha figure is 80 million. You don't spend close to the world record fee for a 31 year old. The club will obviously make up its mind. That's irrelevant to our discussion.

It makes complete sense to compare his commercial appeal during his peak years to his post-peak years. While he is now the finished article in a commercial sense, he has scope for decline in terms of footballing ability and hence commercial appeal post 31. What is more marketable? A 28 year old balon dor winner, or a 34 year old past it footballer? That has to be taken into account as well as his current brand value. Besides I find the brand value talk a little overrated. Much of the moolah of his marketability will actually go to Ronaldo himself. Well sell some extra shirts but not that many given its Manchester United and we already sell feckloads of shirts anyway.

Substantial affect on our team for next half a decade is extremely debatable given he'll be 31.5 years old when we sign him. People just assume ronaldo's going to be brilliant for 5 years more because he's a fit chap.
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Not irrelevant to the discussion if the club is already making plans to sign the player - which i touched on at the end of that sentence, but you conveniently left out. The manager has also been quoted as saying he likes him and he is looking at him,which suggests we are very much interested in bringing Ronaldo back, so apparently you think it's daft, but the suits (thankfully) don't share that view.

Like i said, he has transcended into a global phenomenon, just like Beckham, Jordan, Lebron James, Tiger Woods etc. before him, and these are all entities that are still cashing in on the commercial aspect of their brands, long into retirement (Jordan,Beckham) and waning careers (James,Woods). You obviously find the brand value talk overrated, as you certainly don't understand it. Which is apparent in your need to compare his current value to his value in 2009, and your insistence on correlating brand value to on field performances (Beckham definitely put this to bed).

amolbhatia50k said:
Do you think he'll be in our team from 31 to 38 years of age as a complete superstar? I give it 4 years max.
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Like yourself and everyone has said (me incl.), he is certainly capable of maintaining a level of quality for the next half decade, his regression has been overstated, he is still very much capable of scoring goals (13 in 16 apps). Although, we definitely shouldn't expect Madrid type numbers, a 25-30 goal season would be a respectable return given his age, and he is certainly going to do well to supplement our attack.
 
He is like a better Robben in that Robben role from WC. Also again, the transfer fee will not be near as huge as some of you think. You for an example, if I would say that Schweinsteiger will join United this summer ad ask for how much i don't think many people will say it it will be under 20m pounds, most would probably said around 30m pounds but in the end we got him for 6m.
 
Roman Bellic said:
Not irrelevant to the discussion if the club is already making plans to sign the player - which i touched on at the end of that sentence, but you conveniently left out. The manager has also been quoted as saying he likes him and he is looking at him,which suggests we are very much interested in bringing Ronaldo back, so apparently you think it's daft, but the suits (thankfully) don't share that view.

Like i said, he has transcended into a global phenomenon, just like Beckham, Jordan, Lebron James, Tiger Woods etc. before him, and these are all entities that are still cashing in on the commercial aspect of their brands, long into retirement (Jordan,Beckham) and waning careers (James,Woods). You obviously find the brand value talk overrated, as you certainly don't understand it. Which is apparent in your need to compare his current value to his value in 2009, and your insistence on correlating brand value to on field performances (Beckham definitely put this to bed).
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Everyone and their dog has read the quotes. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion you and me are having since we're discussing whether we are in fact correct at going for him keeping the 80 million in mind. Repeating the fact of our interest serves no purpose. Unless you're trying to score points by saying "the management agrees with me" in which case I'd say well done on bringing up something I disagree with (for the price quoted) as a tool to prove me wrong, because that makes a whole lot of sense. (Hint: It doesn't)

Right. On the brand bit which you're apparently a guru on, or would like yourself to believe to be the case, who exactly is cashing into David Beckham's brand post his retirement?

Roman Bellic said:
Like yourself and everyone has said (me incl.), he is certainly capable of maintaining a level of quality for the next half decade, his regression has been overstated, he is still very much capable of scoring goals (13 in 16 apps). Although, we definitely shouldn't expect Madrid type numbers, a 25-30 goal season would be a respectable return given his age, and he is certainly going to do well to supplement our attack.
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He's capable of giving us some very good years. However, there's no guarantee of that being 2 years, 3 years or 5 years. It's usually hard to predict how well a player will perform post 30/32 hence there's always a risk in signing an older player, as there will be in signing Ronaldo.
 
Jerch said:
He is like a better Robben in that Robben role from WC. Also again, the transfer fee will not be near as huge as some of you think. You for an example, if I would say that Schweinsteiger will join United this summer ad ask for how much i don't think many people will say it it will be under 20m pounds, most would probably said around 30m pounds but in the end we got him for 6m.
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He's nothing like Robben. They're not even alike.
 
Jerch said:
He is like a better Robben in that Robben role from WC. Also again, the transfer fee will not be near as huge as some of you think. You for an example, if I would say that Schweinsteiger will join United this summer ad ask for how much i don't think many people will say it it will be under 20m pounds, most would probably said around 30m pounds but in the end we got him for 6m.
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Agreed. He is adaptable to various roles and would be devastating in any of them.
 
Sied said:
People saying they wouldn't want him back are fecking insane.
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Why? I want to see us go for young, hungry players like Anderson, Lukaku, Mane, Kane, etc or top players that are yet to peak like Griezmann, Hazard, Muller, Neymar, etc.

Not a player who whilst fantastic is only going to decline now, will cost a fortune, will want the team built around him, and could exasperate the Rooney problem.
 
I'd love to see him back here, but I wouldn't pay the transfer fee involved for a player his age. Yes, he's still a brilliant player, better than he's shown recently, but at this age it can evaporate very quickly and we could be stuck with a declining player with a huge, huge, ego. An ego which is a problem in itself. I'm not sure it can be handled in clubs which aren't a circus like Real or will allow him to do whatever he wants like PSG.

So no, unfortunately.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Why? I want to see us go for young, hungry players like Anderson, Lukaku, Mane, Kane, etc or top players that are yet to peak like Griezmann, Hazard, Muller, Neymar, etc.

Not a player who whilst fantastic is only going to decline now, will cost a fortune, will want the team built around him, and could exasperate the Rooney problem.
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You're seriously telling me you'd take any of those former names over Ronaldo? And the latter ones are most likely unobtainable.

I think he'd guarantee us a title. It'd be like the RVP signing, but much, much, better.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Why? I want to see us go for young, hungry players like Anderson, Lukaku, Mane, Kane, etc or top players that are yet to peak like Griezmann, Hazard, Muller, Neymar, etc.

Not a player who whilst fantastic is only going to decline now, will cost a fortune, will want the team built around him, and could exasperate the Rooney problem.
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People tend to go through a reality distortion field when it comes to Ronaldo. He is the current Ballon D'or holder and one of the best players in the world who has been knocking in a goal a game for the past 6 years. No sane manager would pass up the chance to add him to their already improving squad as a means to challenge for league and CL trophies. He is basically the missing link towards instantly thrusting us into CL contention.
 
I am so confused when I read about people who'd rather not want him here.

So instead of Ronaldo, who would you like (that would realistically join us) ? It's like when people didn't want RVP because Welback wouldn't be able to develop, except it's worse.
 
Sied said:
You're seriously telling me you'd take any of those former names over Ronaldo? And the latter ones are most likely unobtainable.

I think he'd guarantee us a title. It'd be like the RVP signing, but much, much, better.
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Just don't see it myself, maybe if we could rid ourselves of Rooney it'd excite me more.
 
Sied said:
People saying they wouldn't want him back are fecking insane.
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The doubt is mainly about the fee. If we pay a reasonable fee I don't think anyone would say no to having Ronaldo in their team.

He will go to psg IMO. It makes too much sense not to happen. We'll settle for bale (urgh).
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Everyone and their dog has read the quotes. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion you and me are having since we're discussing whether we are in fact correct at going for him keeping the 80 million in mind. Repeating the fact of our interest serves no purpose. Unless you're trying to score points by saying "the management agrees with me" in which case I'd say well done on bringing up something I disagree with (for the price quoted) as a tool to prove me wrong, because that makes a whole lot of sense. (Hint: It doesn't)

Right. On the brand bit which you're apparently a guru on, or would like yourself to believe to be the case, who exactly is cashing into David Beckham's brand post his retirement?


He's capable of giving us some very good years. However, there's no guarantee of that being 2 years, 3 years or 5 years. It's usually hard to predict how well a player will perform post 30/32 hence there's always a risk in signing an older player, as there will be in signing Ronaldo.
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Not sure how it's completely irrelevant, when it suggests that we are looking to bring him back. I'm not aiming to score any points - what does this even mean? but rather trying to inform you that the club must have weighed their options and seen that signing Ronaldo would be beneficial - a move you have repeatedly called daft, suggesting the suits (you know, the ones that are actually paid for their services) are making an informed decision.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, mind. The suits are already doing a good job.

Also never claimed to be a guru, just simply trying to inform you that your insistence on comparing his value in 2015 to his value in 2009 makes no sense, also used Beckham to prove to you that an individual doesn't necessarily have to be World Class on the pitch for his brand value to increase or be capitalised upon, as Beckham was still very much the most popular soccer star(top 3) in the world, a decade after he stopped being World Class, his career certainly waned significantly when he left United, but it had very little effect on his brand.

Beckham earned a whopping $75 million during 2014 - his first full year of retirement, according to Forbes estimates.
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Cristiano Ronaldo Earning in 2014
Earning Via Endorsements
28 Million USD
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According to your theory, should that be the case?

amolbhatia50k said:
It makes complete sense to compare his commercial appeal during his peak years to his post-peak years. While he is now the finished article in a commercial sense, he has scope for decline in terms of footballing ability and hence commercial appeal post 31. What is more marketable? A 28 year old balon dor winner, or a 34 year old past it footballer? That has to be taken into account as well as his current brand value. Besides I find the brand value talk a little overrated. Much of the moolah of his marketability will actually go to Ronaldo himself.
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Yes. he is very much capable of giving us good years.
 
Raoul said:
People tend to go through a reality distortion field when it comes to Ronaldo. He is the current Ballon D'or holder and one of the best players in the world who has been knocking in a goal a game for the past 6 years. No sane manager would pass up the chance to add him to their already improving squad as a means to challenge for league and CL trophies. He is basically the missing link towards instantly thrusting us into CL contention.
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Two questions - Would he be happy with LvG's rigid style/philosophy? And if it isn't working out could LvG drop him? I would personally say no and no.

Like I said above if we didn't have Rooney to keep happy too then I'd be more for it.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The doubt is mainly about the fee. If we pay a reasonable fee I don't think anyone would say no to having Ronaldo in their team.

He will go to psg IMO. It makes too much sense not to happen. We'll settle for bale (urgh).
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There were quite a few posters on the first page who don't want him back.

Personally I'm one of those fans who doesn't worry too much about the fee. I'm sure Woodward and the Glazers have a much better understanding of the value of a player to us, than any fan does.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Two questions - Would he be happy with LvG's rigid style/philosophy? And if it isn't working out could LvG drop him? I would personally say no and no.

Like I said above if we didn't have Rooney to keep happy too then I'd be more for it.
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LvG's rigid style is overstated imo, and would not be perceived as rigid if we had an explosive player who scored goals, ran at defenders, and can unlock defenses. At that point we would have a great keeper, defense, midfield and finally an attacker who could make our other attackers much better. Herrera, Mata, Martial, Lingard et al would all benefit tremendously by having Ronaldo on board.
 
Raoul said:
LvG's rigid style is overstated imo, and would not be perceived as rigid if we had an explosive player who scored goals, ran at defenders, and can unlock defenses. At that point we would have a great keeper, defense, midfield and finally an attacker who could make our other attackers much better. Herrera, Mata, Martial, Lingard et al would all benefit tremendously by having Ronaldo on board.
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Which player do you have in mind?
 
shamans said:
I am so confused when I read about people who'd rather not want him here.
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Nobody said we'd rather not want him here. What's said is:

1- We'd rather not want him here for 60m pounds.

2- We don't think he's coming to United because he's more likely to play for Madrid or PSG than us.
 
Zlatan Ibrahimovic was supposed to be in decline too. Ever year since 2012 people have been waiting for his decline to set in, and he is still supposed to be in decline. He's had 4 different knee injuries in the last 6-7 seasons, moved from Milan at 31, second highest salary in the world at €14 million per year; and he's scored 110+ club goals in a little over 3 seasons, to go with almost 30+ international goals; and even this season he has as many league goals as Rooney, Mata and Martial combined. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign one of the true elites of world football. Even if we have to pay £60 million, it's not that big of a sum when people are willing to chuck £35 million on scrubs like Mané, and we did clear a large chunk of wages in the summer. Why are folks so focused on transfer expenditures and suchlike when we're aiming for one of the best players in the world, and could stand to do much worse with what he will cost - as evidenced by the returns of our recent spending.

How much of Ronaldo's performance is about decline, and how much is it simply a player temporarily being out of form, or falling out with the manager like Messi did with Tata? Isn't it a bit early to jump to any conclusions, when physically speaking he's a freak of nature, and even in a dismal season he has scored at a rate of 0.80 goals per game. Especially since he's being played in a position he doesn't like, and Benitez's system is crumbling with each passing week. Just last season, he scored as many league goals as Agüero and Kane combined, and thrice as many as Sánchez, on top of being the joint top scorer in the Champions League.

It's a bit unfair to write him off just yet, and he's not going to fall off the face of the Earth anytime soon. If we sign him in the summer, he would still be the best player in the league for the next 2-3 seasons, and give us a massive boost in terms of winning titles, on top of the commercial benefits of the deal. There have been some comparisons to the Rooney situation, and Ronaldo is unlikely to be at United for 3-4 years past his expiry date like Rooney, considering we almost always sign players to 4 year deals, even lesser for older players - though an exception will be made for Ronaldo no doubt. And signing a player of his stature could potentially lift the entire club.
 
Roman Bellic said:
Not sure how it's completely irrelevant, when it suggests that we are looking to bring him back. I'm not aiming to score any points - what does this even mean? but rather trying to inform you that the club must have weighed their options and seen that signing Ronaldo would be beneficial - a move you have repeatedly called daft, suggesting the suits (you know, the ones that are actually paid for their services) are making an informed decision.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, mind. The suits are already doing a good job.

Also never claimed to be a guru, just simply trying to inform you that your insistence on comparing his value in 2015 to his value in 2009 makes no sense, also used Beckham to prove to you that an individual doesn't necessarily have to be World Class on the pitch for his brand value to increase or be capitalised upon, as Beckham was still very much the most popular soccer star(top 3) in the world, a decade after he stopped being World Class, his career certainly waned significantly when he left United, but it had very little effect on his brand.

According to your theory, should that be the case?.
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You don't know what point scoring means? Read it up.

You're informing me of something I already know and disagree with (price condition inserted)? Alright, mate, that makes sense. Next time when you're discussing Lvgs team selection, do feel free to go around telling people who disagree with the selection, that LvG being the manager did in fact select the team and is paid to do so, you know, they're wrong. They'll love it!

That sentence in the middle doesn't even make any sense.

Wait, so does every players' "brand" follow the David Beckham trajectory? Or is he the only footballer with such an appeal post retirement/well after his peak? Also, how much have his clubs post Madrid actually benefitted from the brand? It's pointless if he largely made post of the moolah himself. Ronaldo's brand will most likely sustain a good while yet. However, claiming we should sign him for 80 million based on that is highly debateable. The club being paid to make these decisions hence any decision on the fee will be correct isn't quite as cut and dry either. We did pay 57 million for Di Maria. I don't think it was being covered by his marketability. We were desperate to and overpaid. Clubs do actually overpay for players.

Roman Bellic said:
Yes. he is very much capable of giving us good years.
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Of course he is. Noone suggested otherwise. But given his age he might not give us 5 great years which was the actual point being made.
 
Danny1982 said:
Nobody said we'd rather not want him here. What's said is:

1- We'd rather not want him here for 60m pounds.

2- We don't think he's coming to United because he's more likely to play for Madrid or PSG than us.
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Why do you care about the fee? Are you saving up for something?
 
Vato said:
If Ronaldo doesn't regain some form I hope we get rid of both. Bring in Lewandowski/Aguero and Hazard.
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If you think Ronaldo is bad this season you obvious haven't seen Hazard :lol:
 
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