Cristiano Ronaldo

[amolbhatia50k]

He's gone off the rails a bit. :/. A bit too much emotion involved...

It does make sense however. But discussing with him is somewhat pointless as he is way too adamant on his opinion and extremely quick to respond on here. Which suggests he wants an argument imo, and people like that do not comprise / change / resolve anything in their opinion. In my experience anyway...

I'm afraid there's zero emotion involved when I post, other than the matchday thread when we score and I jizz frenetically on my screen in creative patterns. After 13 years of posting on an online forum you don't really take any of it very seriously.

May we have many interesting and "unemotional" discussions in the future , where I'll be right (kidding).

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Almost the opposite. In general, the caf thought Rafael was great, and opposition fans thought he was rubbish. Turns out opposition fans were right.

Fans let their heart rule over their head far too often.

I thinks it works both ways. We are often more critical (rightfully) of Wayne Rooney for example because we see every bad touch every loss of possession which opposition supporters dont. I think generally a teams fans give a more accurate assessment of their players apart from the cult heroes, fan favorites and the like.

 

[Raoul]

I'm afraid there's zero emotion involved when I post, other than the matchday thread when we score and I jizz frenetically on my screen in creative patterns. After 13 years of posting on an online forum you don't really take any of it very seriously.

May we have many interesting and "unemotional" discussions in the future , where I'll be right (kidding).

 

[amolbhatia50k]

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's okay, raoul. Sometimes one doesn't understand something everyone else does. Happens to the best of us. Chin up. And no more sniping, you're a big boy.

 

[Raoul]

It's okay, raoul. Sometimes one doesn't understand something everyone else does. Happens to the best of us. Chin up. And no more sniping, you're a big boy.

Amazing. This place was quite pleasant without your childish babble during your self-imposed exile.

 

[Mutter Merkel]

Why worry about the potential fee? We don't know what it would be. At the end of the day, the club will get the best deal it can and if the player wants to join and we want to sign him... rONaldo?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Amazing. This place was quite pleasant without your childish babble during your self-imposed exile.

Impossible given you're presence. Shame because I had you down as a reasonable and rational poster, not this super defensive childish pot shot taking version you're showing yourself to be. Either way let's end it if we can be grown ups now? Cool? Cheers.

 

[FacerTheRed]

Why worry about the potential fee? We don't know what it would be. At the end of the day, the club will get the best deal it can and if the player wants to join and we want to sign him... rONaldo?

It's obvious its going to be a very high fee. Ronaldo is not just a footballer but also a brand, he's one of the top selling football shirts in the world. So not only United would have to pay for the player but also his brand aswell. His estimated price on transfermarkt is about 84m! but because its Real Madrid and they like to bleed you dry, they'll ask for more & maybe DDG in the deal (which i hope not).

 

[steffyr2]

It's obvious its going to be a very high fee. Ronaldo is not just a footballer but also a brand, he's one of the top selling football shirts in the world. So not only United would have to pay for the player but also his brand aswell. His estimated price on transfermarkt is about 84m! but because its Real Madrid and they like to bleed you dry, they'll ask for more & maybe DDG in the deal (which i hope not).

What happens if RM pisses Ronaldo off (more than he is now)? I've never seen anyone do this, but suppose he held a press conference, said his knee was ruined and he was only worth $2.50 in transfer fees?
Come to Utd for $2.50 and $20M in salary.
Why does that never happen?

 

[NinjaFletch]

It's obvious its going to be a very high fee. Ronaldo is not just a footballer but also a brand, he's one of the top selling football shirts in the world. So not only United would have to pay for the player but also his brand aswell. His estimated price on transfermarkt is about 84m! but because its Real Madrid and they like to bleed you dry, they'll ask for more & maybe DDG in the deal (which i hope not).

No club is going to spend £84m, more than £84m or a combination of money and players that would take a deal to a value over to £84m for Ronaldo.

If thats what it would take for Real to sell then he won't move.

 

[Sam]

Another 'superstar' name, past his peak, with a declining game and declining pace, on huge wages and 'untouchable status'. What could possibly go wrong? Its worked so well with Falcao, RVP, Valdes and Rooney.

When exactly did we become a retirement home for big name players looking for one last pay cheque? If we're spending huge money it should be players that will be giving us their best years. Schweinstiger was the perfect example of it being sensible to buy an older player, for a small fee, and without the expectation of them to be as good as they once were.

 

[Mutter Merkel]

Another 'superstar' name, past his peak, with a declining game and declining pace, on huge wages and 'untouchable status'. What could possibly go wrong? Its worked so well with Falcao, RVP, Valdes and Rooney.

When exactly did we become a retirement home for big name players looking for one last pay cheque? If we're spending huge money it should be players that will be giving us their best years. Schweinstiger was the perfect example of it being sensible to buy an older player, for a small fee, and without the expectation of them to be as good as they once were.

Yeah, Cristiano belongs in a retirement home. He's fallen off a cliff since he turned 30. Certainly wouldn't score enough goals to win us anything. Once you hit 30, you're basically a donkey.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I thinks it works both ways. We are often more critical (rightfully) of Wayne Rooney for example because we see every bad touch every loss of possession which opposition supporters dont. I think generally a teams fans give a more accurate assessment of their players apart from the cult heroes, fan favorites and the like.

Agreed. Fans are often guilty of

1) Somewhat over-hyping certain players (who are nevertheless very good).
2) Over-hyping certain other players (who simply aren't that good)
3) Being overly critical of certain players (who are actually better than fans like to think).

But they are very rarely guilty of being unfairly harsh on players who are elsewhere considered top of the line. Fans who watch every minute of every match do have an advantage over neutrals when it comes to assessing precisely what a player brings to the table.

 

[Sam]

Yeah, Cristiano belongs in a retirement home. He's fallen off a cliff since he turned 30. Certainly wouldn't score enough goals to win us anything. Once you hit 30, you're basically a donkey.

For the money he'd cost it would be madness to risk on a 31 year old. And with 3 years left on his contract, and PSG being all over it, there's no way we'd be getting him on the cheap.

 

[FacerTheRed]

No club is going to spend £84m, more than £84m or a combination of money and players that would take a deal to a value over to £84m for Ronaldo.

If thats what it would take for Real to sell then he won't move.

"Estimate" my friend. But it all adds up for he is worth as his contract doesn't end till 2018, he has very high wage asking, his name is a brand, hasnt had any serious injuries in his career, very highly decorated player and is still considered one of the players in the world despite his dip in form. Trust me, Real Madrid will be asking for high price, maybe not 84m but very high still. Will not be less that 60m... Madrid is more of a business than a club, they're all about profit and selling Ronaldo cheaper his not profit. For example, Di Maria. Went to Real Madrid 17.5 million pounds (25 euros) and United paid a whopper of 60 million pounds and just in one season sold him 44 million. Real Madrid were laughing and they will again if United do give in to there demands.

 

[Mutter Merkel]

For the money he'd cost it would be madness to risk on a 31 year old. And with 3 years left on his contract, and PSG being all over it, there's no way we'd be getting him on the cheap.

Just bear in mind this is the guy who told Di Maria you can only go to Manchester United if you leave Real Madrid... It wouldn't be madness at all given his conditioning and technical ability.

 

[littlepeasoup]

I swear, he'll retire at Madrid and we'll still be linked with signing him.

 

[Sam]

Just bear in mind this is the guy who told Di Maria you can only go to Manchester United if you leave Real Madrid... It wouldn't be madness at all given his conditioning and technical ability.

It would be madness considering his age, price and signs of decline.

If we were talking about getting him at the end of his contract, or for a paltry fee like with Basti, then obviously it would be worth the risk. But we're not. We're talking about huge money that could be used to probably buy two quality players that would be able to give us their best years ahead.

 

[NinjaFletch]

"Estimate" my friend. But it all adds up for he is worth as his contract doesn't end till 2018, he has very high wage asking, his name is a brand, hasnt had any serious injuries in his career, very highly decorated player and is still considered one of the players in the world despite his dip in form. Trust me, Real Madrid will be asking for high price, maybe not 84m but very high still. Will not be less that 60m... Madrid is more of a business than a club, they're all about profit and selling Ronaldo cheaper his not profit. For example, Di Maria. Went to Real Madrid 17.5 million pounds (25 euros) and United paid a whopper of 60 million pounds and just in one season sold him 44 million. Real Madrid were laughing and they will again if United do give in to there demands.

Why would his contract be an asset for Real Madrid in this instance?

We're talking about a situation where either he agitates for a move, or they decide he's not worth the money anymore.

In neither situation is his contract, making him one of the best paid players in the world, that much of an advantage.

At any rate, I can't imagine us being hugely keen on a deal that would make the outlay on Ronaldo higher than what we sold him for in the first place.

 

[Cheesy]

Another 'superstar' name, past his peak, with a declining game and declining pace, on huge wages and 'untouchable status'. What could possibly go wrong? Its worked so well with Falcao, RVP, Valdes and Rooney.

When exactly did we become a retirement home for big name players looking for one last pay cheque? If we're spending huge money it should be players that will be giving us their best years. Schweinstiger was the perfect example of it being sensible to buy an older player, for a small fee, and without the expectation of them to be as good as they once were.

I agree that we shouldn't be paying massive money on Ronaldo at this stage, but the comparison to players like RVP, Falcao and Valdes (come on) is a bit daft. Ronaldo blows all of them out of the water, and if he came, I'm sure he'd still be a massive goalscoring threat provided he gets plenty of service.

 

[One Night Only]

I'd take him no question. Even a Ronaldo in decline is better than 80% of the players in our league. He has matured and his game can be more intelligent if needed. He's not a moron. People saying about his age is stupid tbh, he's never let himself go, never stopped trying and is always giving his best to be in his peak physical condition. Most footballers do drop off at around 30 but he is a freak of nature. Hefty price tag but would be worth it, both in financial terms and in footballing terms.

I can't think of many players I would want more than Ronaldo. It's our attack which is lacking, and he can play every attacking position with good effect. He is like 4 signings in one. Other players can play anywhere in a front four, but they don't excel in every position. Ronaldo, however, seems natural in any of the positions.

Drunk post.

 

[El Zoido]

How much would he cost? £50m? £60m?

The idea of essentially giving him to Madrid for his 6 best years, then only getting him back when he's past his best really rankles me to be honest. We'd basically have loaned him to Madrid for nothing and when they've got his best years out of him we get the sloppy seconds. Let PSG have him as their poster boy for a couple of years.

 

[Borys]

Another argument I don't get is that, as fans, we shouldn't care about transfer fees. It's such an absurd notion that I struggle to even begin an exposition of how daft that view is because I feel like I shouldn't have to.

Explain it to me please.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Agreed. Fans are often guilty of

1) Somewhat over-hyping certain players (who are nevertheless very good).
2) Over-hyping certain other players (who simply aren't that good)
3) Being overly critical of certain players (who are actually better than fans like to think).

But they are very rarely guilty of being unfairly harsh on players who are elsewhere considered top of the line. Fans who watch every minute of every match do have an advantage over neutrals when it comes to assessing precisely what a player brings to the table.

Agreed. A fan/consensus of fans of a club will give you a pretty a great understanding the performances of its players barring those few players at every club who sort of gather enough goodwill in the fan's eyes to skew opinions, usually due to their character/personality.

 

[The Man Himself]

Though I love him so much, age + possible cost he will come with means I am not keen on having him back next summer. We can invest that money better elsewhere on younger talents. If Ronaldo keeps up his scoring, maybe he will give us a title next season but someone young and on rising curve will bring more success in long term.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

If he doesn't want to go to PSG, aren't we essentially bidding against ourselves? I doubt he has the patience to go start at a place like Chelsea.

 

[Jazz]

Up to the beginning of the season I thought it would be great to have him back, but I've completely changed my mind. Can you imagine having to accommodate both him and Rooney in the starting line up at the expense of other players? Yes Ronnie still has something to offer, but he's become such a megalomaniac that I'm not sure he would fit into our set up. I think it's too much distraction to have to cater to him constantly.

Also, although he's a money making machine, I still wouldn't want us spending a huge sum to get him back from Madrid. Most importantly, does anyone at United know exactly what his issues are with the niggling injuries he's been having? If it's for £30 Million max I wouldn't be too bothered, but £60M or more is absolutely crazy given his age and possible condition of any underlying physical condition which no doubt would not be disclosed to us by Madrid...

 

[barros]

Not sure how it's completely irrelevant, when it suggests that we are looking to bring him back. I'm not aiming to score any points - what does this even mean? but rather trying to inform you that the club must have weighed their options and seen that signing Ronaldo would be beneficial - a move you have repeatedly called daft, suggesting the suits (you know, the ones that are actually paid for their services) are making an informed decision.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, mind. The suits are already doing a good job.

Also never claimed to be a guru, just simply trying to inform you that your insistence on comparing his value in 2015 to his value in 2009 makes no sense, also used Beckham to prove to you that an individual doesn't necessarily have to be World Class on the pitch for his brand value to increase or be capitalised upon, as Beckham was still very much the most popular soccer star(top 3) in the world, a decade after he stopped being World Class, his career certainly waned significantly when he left United, but it had very little effect on his brand.





According to your theory, should that be the case?



Yes. he is very much capable of giving us good years.

I read somewhere Ronaldo gets 40% from his rights and RM 60%

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Still can't believe people wouldn't have him back here.

Why do any of you care if we pay £50 million for him? The money is no issue for a club like ours. All I know is we would be getting a player that's still one of the best in the world. What I care about the huge lift his presence in the squad will give the team.

I said in other thread to those that don't want him I'm sure you'll all change your tune when he's out top scorer and scoring a healthy amount of goals.

 

[Spielmacher]

Can't believe some people in this thread. There's no way that a man of his work ethic and desire is just gonna decline like some random player. He'll be world-class for at least 3-5 more seasons, even if it means that he'll switch to the CF position. It's not like we couldn't do with a world class striker, is it?

Don't think Real will let him go though.

 

[Jazz]

Can't believe some people in this thread. There's no way that a man of his work ethic and desire is just gonna decline like some random player. He'll be world-class for at least 3-5 more seasons, even if it means that he'll switch to the CF position. It's not like we couldn't do with a world class striker, is it?

Don't think Real will let him go though.

Seems to me that Florentino wouldn't mind getting rid of him as soon as possible..

 

[cyberman]

People have to be careful here, by all accounts the squad are at odds with Benitez with effects their performances. If we were linked with Isco / Ramos / Kross tomorrow would we say no? If anything those 3 have been just as bad if not worse than Ronaldo this year.
Plus Ronaldo is 30, he isnt 35 or some potential hindrance to us. We are a team transformed by having Lingard starting for us for feck sake, what would we be doing with Ronaldo cutting in?
Hes a goalscorer. There were articles after articles discussing his new style of play from last season. How he doesn't dribble with the ball or go on lung busting runs anymore. He's adapting his play to assist longevity and how he's proved this can work by scoring 50 plus goals in his new role. He's now a box player with incredible movement to leave any defender for dead. So is he not getting on the end of chances a signal of decline or is it the result of having Bale injured and underperforming and Benzema playing awful because his head isn't in it?
It was a terrible Madrid performance yet Ronaldo got himself into 2 fantastic positions to score. That says a lot to me. He could have easily walked off with 2 goals last Saturday night.
Another note is players such as Isco just aren't cutting it. We all salivate over tedious links to him but he hasn't come close to grasping this chance with both hands. I'm really disappointed in what i'm seeing with him.
Signing Ronaldo adds goals to our team without sacrificing another goal scorer. That is the huge advantage we have with him.

.........Martial
Depay...........Ronaldo

Would Ronaldo be a stopgap for a few years? Maybe Neymar has promised to move with 1 year left on his contract? Maybe Muller guarantees a move to experience another league in his prime? There are so many variables we cannot answer to give a clear opinion on this. Is it a good signing if we only want him for 2 years before he completely tails off?

 

[Rado_N]

Can't believe some people in this thread. There's no way that a man of his work ethic and desire is just gonna decline like some random player. He'll be world-class for at least 3-5 more seasons, even if it means that he'll switch to the CF position. It's not like we couldn't do with a world class striker, is it?

Don't think Real will let him go though.

I'm pretty sure desire and work ethic isn't the main issue.

You're essentially saying he won't decline because he really doesn't want to.

 

[Spielmacher]

I'm pretty sure desire and work ethic isn't the main issue.

You're essentially saying he won't decline because he really doesn't want to.

No, I'm saying that hard work plays a big part in a football career, he'll do what is necessary to keep him at the top for another 3-5 years, obviously noone has supernatural powers, but there are a few examples of players playing on at top level into their thirties, Cristiano Ronaldo is the greatest professional of all time, why should he not do it?
It's not like his attributes wouldn't fit a complete forward, althouth he hasn't shown to be as brilliant as you would expect him there so far.

 

[antsmithmk]

Get him on the plane,
Bring him back from Spain,
Viva Ronaldo...

 

[Spielmacher]

Seems to me that Florentino wouldn't mind getting rid of him as soon as possible..

I wouldn't read too much into the spanish media circus. If we would believe them everytime, Ronaldo would've come back at least 10 times already.

 

[antsmithmk]

Robben is a better winger. But yes, Ronaldo gets injured less I suppose.

Ronaldo is not a game-changer like Robben though. He gets goals, but isn't the difference in a team playing well like Robben is.

I would argue the exact opposite.

Robben goes missing in games, something you can never label at Ronnie.

 

[JaffyJoe]

No, I'm saying that hard work plays a big part in a football career, he'll do what is necessary to keep him at the top for another 3-5 years, obviously noone has supernatural powers, but there are a few examples of players playing on at top level into their thirties, Cristiano Ronaldo is the greatest professional of all time, why should he not do it?
It's not like his attributes wouldn't fit a complete forward, althouth he hasn't shown to be as brilliant as you would expect him there so far.

He's been starting since his teen years, most players like him decline before they hit 30. The fact he has stayed this good this long is a testament to him. His best days are behind him and I would only ad him to a team like Bayern or Real. We need 1 on 1 experts who can create and our goal threats. Ronaldo doesn't bring that anymore.

 

[ADJUDICATOR]

Has any top player polarised opinion as much as Cristiano Ronaldo in recent times?