RAWK: "Must have taken Fergie ages to write that..."
Conspiracy! Suarez reopens Evra race row with attack on Manchester United
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People?
That comment sounds rather Rafaesque to me. Has he called Fergie "Mr Ferguson" yet?
The racist prick really needs to feck off with this. Why not admit you fecked up and move on? On no, instead just go and make even more excuses for an incident which was entirely your own fault
I hate the cnut with passion
I see Ferguson make classy statements against fellow countryman Dalglish instead of opting to keep it short or shut.
I for one hope this case is never closed. I want to get to the bottom of it as I'm sure we all do. There is no place for racists or race card callers in my mind whether its Suarez, Evra, Terry or Rio.
I am very, very, very, very, very interested in the media reports on the Choc Ice comments by the way. Rio is not South American despite his name sounding it so lets see what leeway he is given that Suarez wasn't.
I for one hope this case is never closed. I want to get to the bottom of it as I'm sure we all do. There is no place for racists or race card callers in my mind whether its Suarez, Evra, Terry or Rio.
I am very, very, very, very, very interested in the media reports on the Choc Ice comments by the way. Rio is not South American despite his name sounding it so lets see what leeway he is given that Suarez wasn't.
Do you believe the Rio/choc ice thing is as bad as the Suarez/Evra thing?
Kenny started it, and Fergie had held back on him really well up 'til now but he obviously got asked about Suarez bringing it up yet again despite the conclusion that he repeatedly used the term 'negro(s)' with the intention of winding him up. Considering, Ferguson has been classy about it, remarkably so. I'd be raging if one of my players was put through 90 minutes of hate just for reporting that he had been abused and a large part of that was down to the irresponsible actions of Kenny Dalglish.
And laughing at a tweet in which the term 'choc ice' being used directly after that trial is far, far more forgiveable than straight out, repeated racial abuse. The media coverage will reflect this and it will be cited as an example of bias.
Rio didn't say Choc Ice, for one.
Logic is not your strong point I see.
If you plan on being devil's advocate for the sake of it learn how to raise better points.
Dumbstar - 10 years and 2 days of making a fool of himself on The Caf
But how are you ever going to do that given Suarez's repeated lies?
"I have spoken with the manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong. I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened. I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions. I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football" - Luis Suarez, February 12.
"In England, it was shown the moment when I passed in front of him, but they didn't see that he had his hand low before. Only the media in Uruguay and Spain showed that I wanted to shake his hand. Previously, I had promised my wife, the manager and the directors that I was going to shake hands with Evra. There was a chance for the teams not to shake hands like in a game between QPR and Chelsea [following the Anton Ferdinand-John Terry racism row], but I told them I was to shake hands with him. 'Why not?', I thought, because I had no problems with him. I had been punished because of him, but I had no problems with shaking hands" - Luis Suarez, July 17.
And Liverpool fans wonder why his word wasn't believed??
The Suarez case is closed already. He's a racist little bastard that rather sooner than later leaves English football.
"Get to the bottom of it" meaning it being revealed as Evra/Fergie/United/The FA behind the while thing?
It isn't a grand conspiracy. Suarez tried to wind Evra up thinking he would get away with it, then he dragged the rest of Liverpool FC and it's fans down with him when he didn't.
It isn't a grand conspiracy. Suarez tried to wind Evra up thinking he would get away with it, then he dragged the rest of Liverpool FC and it's fans down with him when he didn't.
1) It's quite simple really, without Suarez rehashing this all over again, nothing would have been said. And he's right, it clearly would have played a part in his sacking, that much is obvious.
2) Okay, weirdo. Because it's not like we haven't already gotten to the bottom of it.
3) Be as very x 5 interested as you like, but how is that at all comparative? For one, Rio didn't call him a choc ice, he repeated the word and said 'classic'. It's also not even remotely on the same wavelength as what Suarez said, I can't possibly see how you can hold the two incidents in the same regard.
That's the scouse MO.
Am surprised Dumbstar is able to post in threads in the United forum - given that he posted about the choc ice comment in every thread he could find...and has now disappeared.
If he isn't prepared to respond to his posts then he should stick to his WUM in the football forum.
If he isn't prepared to respond to his posts then he should stick to his WUM in the football forum.
How does the LFC-spastic disease get contracted exactly? I'd like to think I'm immune - I'd hate to end up as delusional and bitter as you or Suaracist
In fairness to the choc ice thing, Rio probably should have had more sense and not responded to it.
Definitely not, it was stupid and completely unnecessary. However, using it as some sort of comparison to what Suarez actually said, is nothing short of ridiculous.
Responding to Dumbstar's post is almost pointless, as some people only see what they want to see. However, Liverpool's retreat from the 'fight' says everything, and that retreat can't be put down to concerns about the club's public image entirely. Suarez, Dalglish & Liverpool refused to fight on; one would think that - if Suarez was innocent & if the club truly believed him to be innocent - LFC would not rest until they had cleared their player's name and repaired the damage to the club's image.
It's no use Dalglish, Suarez & co mumbling about conspiracy and injustice - if a person is wrongly accused or is the victim of conspiracy, they f*cking SHOUT about the injustice; at least, that's what innocent people do...
It's no use Dalglish, Suarez & co mumbling about conspiracy and injustice - if a person is wrongly accused or is the victim of conspiracy, they f*cking SHOUT about the injustice; at least, that's what innocent people do...
This is all part of his plan to force Liverpool to sell him to lessen the damage to their club. Sadly for him, Liverpool aren't that smart; they have just found the perfect player to play victim and prove that the whole system is against the LFC.
He gets less abuse than Beckham did after the Simeone incident. But, of course, this will eventually make it 'impossible for him to remain at Liverpool'; what's more, their fans will pretend to accept it as truth: 'Ah well, bye & good luck, Luis. YAWN.'
Hey, hold on. I'm around. Having issues at home and with my damn computers. But not going anywhere unless someone decides they want to ban me because I'm too close to the bone.
Firstly, apologies for the multiple posts on this subject specially on the main Man Utd forums. I don't go there often but that was where the last Suarez vs Evra thread was. Then I found this/these threads here.
Secondly, two simple questions for everyone:
1) Was Suarez offensively racist to Evra? (Yes as the FA found)
2) Was Rio offensively racist to re-use and acknowledge the phrase Choc Ice to another black man?
I don't mean was he stupid, over the top, short-sighted, uneducated, silly. I mean 'offensively racist'?
Edit: Here's a previous use of the word cocunut which is exactly the same as choc-ice for which a black person was found guilty of racism toward both the black and white communities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/28/councillor-court-coconut-jibe-bristol
Now think about the question again.
Personally I don't think Rio is in the clear given the precedents in society with similar terms. It could well be deemed racially offensive.
That said, taken in context it can't be used as a comparison with the severity Suarez' abuse.
That said, taken in context it can't be used as a comparison with the severity Suarez' abuse.
That article's not comparative to anything Rio has done Dumbstar.
Rio's acknowledgement of the phrase was offensive but not racist.
An important difference is that Evra complained about Suarez, as he found it offensive. Ashley Cole hasn't complained about Ferdinand. I'm not sure but i heard they were friendly.
Reasons why Dumbstar is an idiot:
1. He still isn't sure if Suarez is guilty or Evra is making it up. Despite admittance
2. He is comparing something that isn't even racist, just a funny name that implies mixed race, repeated by a mixed race person, with something that was said aggressively with intent behind it
3. This statement
It isn't though is it, they are completely different. For starters Ashley Cole and Rio Ferdinand are both mixed race, the comment was not made by Rio just laughed at, and more than anything the context and timing of his retweet really means there is some justification for Rio's lack of judgement at that moment.
Suarez has no such defence, he is not the same race as Evra, he did not laugh at someone else calling him a negro(s) multiple times, and it was done on the pitch with the intention of using racist comments to gain an advantage over an opponent. He was lucky it was only 8 games.
Both are native Spanish speakers. He would have said "La gente del club...", which is a term used when referring to the key movers and shakers running the club (not the tea lady, or the fans). The translation to English is what makes it sound so vague: "People at the club".
Nowhere close, you are very very safe if that's the criterion.
It is racist ArmcharCritic. It might not be the same offence as Suarez's but it is still a racist offence by Rio.
The only difference being Suarez is trying to use language/culture as a reason (or excuse). Rio has no such safety net. He is of mixed race and is English to the core therefore knows (or should know) what is culturally acceptable in this country.
For those saying its not racist because Rio himself is mixed race addressing another non-white person then words fail me. Nobody can enlighten you.
If I call another white man a honky or a cracker, am I therefore a racist?
Being racist against yourself. Okay.
Being racist against yourself. Okay.
Have you read the report Dumbstar?
You fecking bellend.Oh and cultural differences aren't acceptable, sarcasm is. Didn't you and the other victims get that memo?
I'm sorry if these questions offend anyone, that is not my intention but seeing as were are on the subject, I'd like peoples views on the matter.
Is it sectarian if a Catholic calls another Catholic a 'Taig'?
Is it sectarian if a Protestant calls another Protestant a 'Hun'?
Is it racist if Black Man calls another Black man a 'Ni**er/Ni**a'?
Is it racist if a Mixed Race man calls another Mixed Race man 'Choc Ice/Coconut'?
I mean, all these words used by one 'faction' (for want of a better word)to another, are of course highly offensive and indeed sectarian/racist but is it racist for a white man to call another white man a 'cracker'. I know it wouldn't annoy me.
Is it sectarian if a Catholic calls another Catholic a 'Taig'?
Is it sectarian if a Protestant calls another Protestant a 'Hun'?
Is it racist if Black Man calls another Black man a 'Ni**er/Ni**a'?
Is it racist if a Mixed Race man calls another Mixed Race man 'Choc Ice/Coconut'?
I mean, all these words used by one 'faction' (for want of a better word)to another, are of course highly offensive and indeed sectarian/racist but is it racist for a white man to call another white man a 'cracker'. I know it wouldn't annoy me.
Could I hope that somehow Dumbstar is on the wum here?
I'm about the same age and went to school in a similar area to Rio and can confidantly say that "choc ice" was never used as an insult to mixed race people. It was an insulting way to say that a black person was acting "white".
White kids who acted "black" were Vanilla Ice or wiggers. Black kids who acted "white" were Carltons or Choc ices.
Never heard the term "coconut" used as an insult before in my life.