Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Spoony said:
The senior players were never going to give Moyes any slack, which is why we ought to have hired a successful manager. That said when people claim ownership of their workplace, how do you change things? Who's to say the next man will be able to gain their respect? Clearly we need a big personality, otherwise we could struggle again. I suspect Van Gaal won't exactly be the most diplomatic...
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Based on my experience, first they will boss us based on the fact that they are appointed and have the authority to boss us.

But it'll only last a while, in time we will know whether this new boss is business or the joke. Normally beyond first 6 mths, us employee will have a good insight of what kind of bosses we're dealing with.

And being a tough / harsh boss is not always hated, contrary to the popular belief, I'd rather work for a tough/harsh but successful boss than a mind boggling friendly but useless and undependable boss.
 
Has it happened yet? Still find it insane they kept him around in February with the promise of January to end up back here anyway.
 
Rednotdead said:
In the full glare of the whole world. With Man City supporters holding up notices at last night's game imploring the club not to sack him.

Yeah, it's been an object lesson in how to treat employees.
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Welcome to managing a top club. That's how it works. Everything happens in the full glare of the whole world.

There haven't been weeks of speculation, no 'votes of confidence' from the board, no "unnamed sources" talking about losing trust in the manager... nobody from high up ever criticised the performances. The club was fully behind Moyes for the entire duration of his tenure and then, it seems, moved to sack him swiftly and effectively.

The club doesn't control what City fans do.
 
NK86 said:
May not be the best way to leak the news but rival fans taking the mickey out of us has got nowt to do with the club and everything to do with the way Moyes has left us reeling during his incompetent managerial stint.
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No, it's directly related to the way the club has handled the sacking. It's been very poorly handled.
 
We're even slow in announcing the sacking that has apparently already been decided, I cannot wait until Summer when we'll inevitably take 2-3 weeks to prepare bids.
 
Shinjisan said:
So there should be no commotion or compassion for anyone since there are people in parts of Asia and Africa living in abject conditions? What kind of stupid fecking logic is that.
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It's ridiculous really. Seems like a lot of people believe a big payout masks over human emotions like disappointment, loss of pride etc.

I'm happy he's going as he proved he wasn't cut out for the job but I do feel for him as he is a decent enough person.
 
Sky1981 said:
Based on my experience, first they will boss us based on the fact that they are appointed and have the authority to boss us.

But it'll only last a while, in time we will know whether this new boss is business or the joke. Normally beyond first 6 mths, us employee will have a good insight of what kind of bosses we're dealing with.

And being a tough / harsh boss is not always hated, contrary to the popular belief, I'd rather work for a tough/harsh but successful boss than a mind boggling friendly but useless and undependable boss.
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I'm not sure Moyes wasn't tough with the players, which may have been a part of the problem. Times have changed...
 
Siorac said:
Welcome to managing a top club. That's how it works. Everything happens in the full glare of the whole world.

There haven't been weeks of speculation, no 'votes of confidence' from the board, no "unnamed sources" talking about losing trust in the manager... nobody from high up ever criticised the performances. The club was fully behind Moyes for the entire duration of his tenure and then, it seems, moved to sack him swiftly and effectively.

The club doesn't control what City fans do.
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News to me. Did I miss the announcement?
 
NK86 said:
My friend lost his job when he was called into the senior manager's office and given the marching orders, all while I was seated next to him. He has a kid and a family to look after. He has my compassion and I feel for him and his situation.
Not a guy who will be paid millions as a parting gift after one season and will invariably get a new job soon after.
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Are there guidelines that I can find somewhere on when and for whom I should/should not feel compassion?
 
Rednotdead said:
No, it's directly related to the way the club has handled the sacking. It's been very poorly handled.
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I did not deny that maybe the leak was uncalled for. But I don't understand what has rival fans holding up placards got to do with that? You think they would not have had something else up if we had made the announcement directly?
 
Lot of sackings are complete surprises, at least Moyes knows its coming. Obviously you feel for him, he's a man completely out of his depth and that's always sad. But it's a fleeting feeling and it has to be; there are far greater injustices even in the footballing universe.

What time should we expect an announcement? 9 AM UK time? Might treat myself to a lunchtime pint here to celebrate.
 
I don't see a single action by the club which anyone could describe as "poorly handled" with respect to the potential sacking of Moyes.
 
Drifter said:
Hope so.It would be hilarious in here
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Yes, nothing more desirable than having unsuitable manager for another year here because it'd be hilarious in here. Good. Imagine how hilarious it's going to be if we finish 12th next year and still keep him, it'll bust my guts. :lol:
 
Shinjisan said:
Are there guidelines that I can somewhere on when and for whom I should/should not feel compassion?
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No, please go ahead and grieve for him. But then don't make a fuss if others don't follow suit. I don't understand all this "we should show more compassion towards him".
 
gasmanc said:
Seeing him like that actually saddens me a touch, he's not a bad bloke deep down, some of his turning on the players and ex manager this season just the acts of a desperate man who had no idea how to crawl out of the hole he was in.
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It is a bit sad, but now he knows the job was too big for him. He would have regretted not taking on the job. I hope he finds a new job soon.
 
togg said:
Gary is right though. This leakage to the press and uniteds half arsed response is pretty shabby against a man they booked for six years. Goodness the workings at united have changed. Still, i suppose sacking managers is such a new experience for the powers that be at united!
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You never had leaks like this. That is a worrying aspect of the new club set up.
 
Sarni said:
Yes, nothing more desirable than having unsuitable manager for another year here because it'd be hilarious in here. Good. Imagine how hilarious it's going to be if we finish 12th next year and still keep him, it'll bust my guts. :lol:
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:lol: Some people...
 
Rednotdead said:
No, it's directly related to the way the club has handled the sacking. It's been very poorly handled.
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Like Moyes unsanctimoniously sold Fabio without giving him a proper chance? Punishing players for having fun? Sacking a highly reputable coach without hesitation?

We've been to kind if any, at any other club he would be sacked midgame
 
Sky1981 said:
Like Moyes unsanctimoniously sold Fabio without giving him a proper chance? Punishing players for having fun? Sacking a highly reputable coach without hesitation?

We've been to kind if any, at any other club he would be sacked midgame
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One of Woodward's pics pointing a finger would be perfect here. "Oye Moyes, come here! There's the door!" :p
 
Moyes apparently arrived at Carrington at 5:00 BST today, is this true?
 
The cunning devil is going to convince them to keep him in the job, isn't he?
 
Mockney said:
I wish people would stop going on about what a good guy he is too, and how this is somehow relative to how he deserved to be treated as a football manager. I'm a good guy. I'd like to think the majority on here are "good guys." There are thousands upon thousands of decent hard working people in the world, the vast majority of whom don't have life as good as David Moyes. Are most football managers not hardworking? How exactly are we defining good? He's not a missionary or building huts for war victims in the jungle. With Luis Suarez about to pick up a league winners medal and Ryan Giggs poised to take over, is there going to be lots of meditation on how undeserving they are of these honours for not being "good" people? I'd guess not remotely, because they're incredibly good at their jobs.

If we're really resorting to David Moyes's general level of human decency as his main positive strength, or the primary reason why he didn't deserve this treatment, then my God he must have been really, really shit.
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You base his "good life" based on how much cash he earns. How many of us good guys have millions of people watching, analysing, critiquing every single move we make? It isn't easy. Being a good guy doesn't spare you the sack. He is out of hhis depth and needs to go. But don't fool yourself that everything is easy for him, and that he doesn't deserve to be treated with decency. Don't be so naive

This isn't about Moyes the manager anyway. It's about Moyes the human, and just like any of us, he deserves to go through a sacking in a much much better organised and dignified way. Just because he has done a bad job, you think it's right to humiliate him? God save us.
 
NK86 said:
No, please go ahead and grieve for him. But then don't make a fuss if others don't follow suit. I don't understand all this "we should show more compassion towards him".
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Am I making a fuss or is it the people who categorically feel the need to point out that he was paid millions so it's right to treat him like shit? There is no fuss in being a human being. Being hidden behind a computer screen doesn't give anyone a right to act like a complete tosser.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It is a bit sad, but now he knows the job was too big for him. He would have regretted not taking on the job. I hope he finds a new job soon.
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I've said before the way he has conducted himself here isn't like he was at Everton, I think that is because he was out of his depth and it caused him to try and act right for the role, act like nothing phased him or there were no problems. Ultimately there should have been a better process in finding Sir Alex's replacement, not Fergie just going to Moyes and saying you're the next boss.
 
gasmanc said:
He seems like a tough character and will be fine once the dust settles, he will also have learned a hell of a lot in his time here about the pressures of running bigger clubs and he will have taken a lot away about himself. Moyes is a good manager and will recover and ok it's been a disaster for him and us but he still has this on his cv and Manchester United manager is a cracking selling point for other football clubs.
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I don't think this job will go against him at all. Anyone taking the job straight after SAF was on a hiding to nothing. Future employers will know that.
 
Sarni said:
The cunning devil is going to convince them to keep him in the job, isn't he?
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Point the finger towards Round as he trudges into the director's office, "he is the one! He told me you posted in the SIL's panties thread. I just laughed. Sack him"! :p
 
DomesticTadpole said:
You never had leaks like this. That is a worrying aspect of the new club set up.
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I think it's safe to say that too many changes have happened to united at the same time. There seems to be a rather swift shift towards 'joining the rest of 'em' and dealing with things the same as other large clubs. Not saying it's wrong, perhaps that has to happen at a club like united when you lose probably the most influencial manager the game has ever had. Perhaps it's the only way to survive and compete with the big boys when you lose such a talisman. Anyway, just a shame that is all.

but hey ho, 11 months is time enough for a least to see a bit of improvement or at least direction. I mean Rodgers did that in his first season. So really it's probably one of those occassions whereby indeed the job is just too far ahead for Moyes right now. He needs to win some things to understand that continuous mentality of taking risks...hedging your bets....pushing caution to the wind. Ferguson did it all the time, winning managers do that.
 
Shinjisan said:
Am I making a fuss or is it the people who categorically feel the need to point out that he was paid millions so it's right to treat him like shit? There is no fuss in being a human being. Being hidden behind a computer screen doesn't give anyone a right to act like a complete tosser.
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As I said, you are in your rights to feel sad for him. I don't. I just don't feel that way about a person I don't even know properly.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
If that is true, shame on them.

Personally, I think if I was Moyes, I would have accepted that the job was to big and offered to resign. Then again, I think if the united board had balls they would have made it clear at Xmas, that it was top 4 or your out on your ear.

But players revolting as though they have anything to be proud about this year is a bit of a joke.
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I dont agree with you me ftiend. I believe the senior players who have more experience and feel.about the club where well within thier rights to complain about underskilled manager.
 
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