Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Woodward is known to be a big admirer of Klopp. Think we should hold on to him for a while yet...
 
El-Manos said:
With Moyes possibly sacked who had intention to spend big, are people worried somebody like Van Gaal will be reluctant to spend in the transfer market, even though is it evident we need to improve this team?
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Not really. We obviously would need a new left back with Evra mostly likely leaving in the summer. Sure, if he renews we would not need to bring any left back in with Buttner providing cover. Would not be the ideal scenario because Buttner is just not good enough for United and Evra is past it, but with a decent manager I'm sure we'd cope.

Vidic is leaving and Rio might as well. Even if we promote Michael Keane to the first team as back-up, we'd still need a new center back. In an ideal world Evans, Jones, Smalling and Michael Keane would be more than enough but sadly our defenders are quite injury prone so we cannot really risk going into the new season harbouring ambitions of a strong campaign without reinforcing the center back position.

The midfield area is an obvious one really. Maybe only Fergie would still not address the issue and that's simply because he didn't do it for more than 6 straight years. We need quality in there and even if we decide against signing a Wiliam Carvalho-type of player, we'd still need a world-class playmaker to play alongside Fellaini/Fletcher. Carrick is not reliable anymore and The Times are reporting that Everton will bid for Cleverley in the summer. I can see Tom gone before the World Cup and with Ando a goner as well, there's no way the new manager (no matter who he is) will not address the issue.


edit: I forgot about Giggs but he's leaving as well anyway.
 
Subho611 said:
Let's blame him for everything now? There was a considerable section of the populace on Redcafe who endorsed that decision to keep Rooney because that would have meant we strengthened a potential title challenger (on hindsight that sounds ridiculous). In fact, if I remember correctly, a lot of folks were happy that Moyes was in charge of handling the Rooney situation because SAF would have moved him on.
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Well, they're fecking idiots as well then. The reason why Fergie laid Rooney's head on a plate for Moyes was because he knew how poor Rooney was and how that impetuousness and explosiveness of his youth which he relied heavily upon was gone and never coming back. Take that away and you have the man you see before you today. A merely 'good', possibly 'very good' player but not the man to build your team around... It comes as no surprise to me that the two periods of time where Rooney was the main man, we were trophyless: 2004-6; 2010; and now this season. Yes his own performances improved, but they came at the cost of the rest of the team's overall shape. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Wayne Rooney is an albatross on the squad. As long as he is a central cog, we will not be successful. Look at the marked difference we saw in our performances without him this season; when Welbeck led the line in January, when Hernandez played instead of him at Newcastle etc it's not a coincidence...
 
shabadu84 said:
The problem is that it's not just his call, right? From what I remember, he wanted Mourinho first but others like Sir Bobby did not. So it will still be a group decision.

But whoever becomes the Thoroughly Considered One is going to have to come with obvious qualifications and history of achievement. That's the only sure thing imo.
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Well.. make it : would you still give that group a second chance ?
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah at this point, nobody could do worse then Moyes. There's only one way from here. I don't think even Moyes would do as bad if he was taking over from somebody who did this shit, if you get what I mean. He's a decent manager still, nowhere near United quality and blatantly out of his depth, but the added pressure of being Fergie's immediate replacement didn't help, it was always going to end like this.
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It sounds almost funny! LoL
He's so afraid of taking over from Fergie and he would have zero pressure taking over from himself. Make sense!
I hope the new manager would have a veteran united player as an official assistant manager. Ole or Giggs would be perfect
 
BorisontheRock said:
Wouldn't surprise me if rio and evra stay on for a year, they need replacing no doubt, but the stability will help. I hope that this managerial change will calm things down and give us a little stability.
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Yeah hopefully. They were sure to leave but with a change of manager, there is hope that Evra might have a change of heart. He clearly loves the club, and is still a good player. His only problem was the constant games for the last 7 years or so leading to him tiring out, all around terrible defensive organization from the manager to the whole team, and his age. He'd be perfect to keep as a rotation option with Shaw coming in to gradually replace him if he does come. Wouldn't want him to come and then force him to start every game like we've done with Evra because of a lack of options. And no, 1 game doesn't make Buttner a viable option.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah hopefully. They were sure to leave but with a change of manager, there is hope that Evra might have a change of heart. He clearly loves the club, and is still a good player. His only problem was the constant games for the last 7 years or so leading to him tiring out, all around terrible defensive organization from the manager to the whole team, and his age. He'd be perfect to keep as a rotation option with Shaw coming in to gradually replace him if he does come. Wouldn't want him to come and then force him to start every game like we've done with Evra because of a lack of options. And no, 1 game doesn't make Buttner a viable option.
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Evra can certainly play a role in the dressing room and is an important squad member. He loves Utd and won't leave unless he has to
 
Should United have persevered with Moyes
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NO says Miguel Delaney

His last words were nothing new, but they did sum up the entire issue.

“I thought we played well,” David Moyes said of Manchester United’s 2-0 defeat at Everton, using the same bizarre words he had inexplicably uttered after almost every other hapless setback.

That is precisely the problem. On so many levels, that eyebrow-raising response indicated the many reasons this man was never the right choice for United — and why it will absolutely be the correct decision to sack him.

For a start, if he actually believed those words, it sets an astonishingly low bar for a club where the only acceptable standard should be victory.

It emphasises the limited view of a man who has somehow found himself in a job that requires much further-reaching vision.

United did not play well. They played like a mid-table table team. Although the 2-0 loss at Goodison Park was far from the worst defeat Moyes had suffered, it was arguably the best evidence against his suitability for the role.

Everton did not even have to be at their best to easily beat United. It was certainly nothing close to the roaring level they displayed against Arsenal. Roberto Martinez knew to simply let Moyes’ team have the ball, because they would not have been able to do anything with it. United’s play is just not sophisticated enough, it doesn’t have enough imagination. Stories abound from Carrington of a near-total absence of work in the final third.

That doesn’t cut it at the elite level, not when coaches like Brendan Rodgers and Jurgen Klopp work so hard at training to develop devastating new methods of attack. Martinez also exposed that. From their patient base, Everton broke at the English champions when they pleased, creating chances at will.

That displayed the drastic difference in the direction of the clubs — as well as the ability of the managers —arguably more than the massive points swing since last season.

If Moyes didn’t believe those words, however, it further indicates just how out of his depth he is in a job this big.

He couldn’t even strike the right tone, let alone put out the right team. It was so meek, so accepting, so lacking in any kind of defiance — so difficult for players to get behind. It’s as if Moyes again reverted to those words because he didn’t really know what else to say, as if still blindsided by the magnitude of the job.

He was the wrong choice on almost every level — the personality, the football, the ambition, the approach, the CV.

At the remove of a year, it remains remarkable Alex Ferguson could choose so poorly; that a historic figure always so adept at adapting to the changes in the game couldn’t recognise the inherent ceiling of his replacement’s abilities.

Let’s make no mistake. Moyes is a very good manager for a certain type of team. But he was never good enough for this job. Ferguson made a huge mistake. It is difficult not to escape the feeling he simply had an affinity for his younger compatriot and that clouded his judgement.

Now, few others at United have any affinity for Moyes. A series of sources state that he has alienated so many figures, that ‘the old Everton crew’ are almost completely isolated.

Respect for coaches Phil Neville and Steve Round has plummeted. One long-serving club figure walked off the training ground shaking his head one day, amazed that such a team had spent so long doing defensive work.

Now, United need someone with much more imagination, with much more charisma, to energise the club again.

Some boardroom figures have mentioned Diego Simeone while chief executive Ed Woodward is known to be a huge fan of Klopp.

Whoever it is will have a lot of issues to deal with, some of them exacerbated by Moyes, others always out of his control.

Moyes was never the only problem at Old Trafford. He is just the most immediate problem.
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stevoc said:
:lol:

Guy seems like a fecking nutcase, would be a welcome change from David ''Hopefully,Maybe,We'll Try'' Moyes
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Haha... What a character! The English press would be busy with him in the PL. We can restore our fear factor at OT too if we do land him. All good
 
Subho611 said:
All of us agree that he was out of his depth but it is ridiculous to even think that he needs to be blamed for taking the job in the first place. He deserves sympathy because he got offered a job he couldn't refuse. It was lack of succession management on the club's part by choosing the wrong man for the job. They just went by what the previous manager recommended instead of listing down the list of skills desired and then drawing up a shortlist of managers who meet those skills.

Anybody will take a job that big and not think about whether he is skilled enough for it because it is the job of the employer to ascertain that.
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I don't blame him for taking the job, I blaming him for not realising that it was big and being to stubborn to take advice and help where it was provided. There was supposed to be transition. SAF talked about Moyes growing into the role, but Moyes went for a land grab, taking control of everything. He made the situation worse in my eyes. He wasn't cognisant of his weaknesses and focused on his strengths and he's seen his castle crumble to the ground.

I don't think that Moyes was the right man, if it was me, I'd have wanted to interview and sound out the right guy, but Fergies master plan was to transition Moyes slowly into the role, let him grow into it, he didn't expect Moyes to run before he could walk, in the end he didn't have enough anything for the position, for that I think the blame lies with Moyes. Don't have to agree with me, it's just my view.

Oh and by the way, he could refuse, he could have said no, guardiola seemed to say no (maybe because he didn't understand SAFs accent)!!! You make it sound Don fergie held a gun to Moyes' head. If I was offered the job (or any job above my current pay grade) I'd want to ensure I could do it, or know what support I would get to grow into it.
 
This is just like the night prior to Ferguson's retirement. Tomorrow will be an exhausting day.
 
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I am determined to prove the Van Gaal pundit clip is scripted. Google is providing me no answers.
 
Sky1981 said:
Well.. make it : would you still give that group a second chance ?
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As long as it's not merely a popularity contest and we go through a complete vetting process, I think you have to trust their judgement.

And anyone suggesting Tony Pulis should automatically be removed from the Board
 
Feeky Magee said:
I am determined to prove the Van Gaal pundit clip is scripted. Google is providing me no answers.
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Ha, we had one of those down here in NZ a few years ago with respect to our national cricket teams captain. He and a former player who was a Sky TV pundit having an argument all caught with someones camera phone. It was all a fake to help promote a new show appearing later in the year. They had to confess to it being a fake when there was so much public outcry about it.

 
Feeky Magee said:
I am determined to prove the Van Gaal pundit clip is scripted. Google is providing me no answers.
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Definitely is, the camera changing to the wide-angle at the end is textbook for that kind of thing.
KiD MoYeS said:
This is just like the night prior to Ferguson's retirement. Tomorrow will be an exhausting day.
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But a great day nonetheless. Big contrast to last season in every way really.
 
Red_devil_ said:
Did you go to sleep ? I feel like I've seen you here since this morning ? What time zone are you on ?
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That's what I was thinking too. If he is on the American timezones, then it is fair. But he is pulling out articles from various irish and british sources and I wonder how he knows all that if he isn't british. Maybe he is a brit in america and having an off day.
 
Red_devil_ said:
Did you go to sleep ? I feel like I've seen you here since this morning ? What time zone are you on ?
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I'm a night owl, my body clock is fecked. I'll usually remain up 'til about four or five in the morning.

I'm Irish, it's a quarter past three in the morning here now.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Is David Moyes the largest flop of a managerial appointment ever?
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Van Gaal's second run at Barca sounds pretty disastrous. A resident Catalan or La Liga expert please elaborate.

Wiki says he was relieved of his duties in Jan 03 just 3 points above the relegation zone.
 
rotherham_red said:
Well, they're fecking idiots as well then. The reason why Fergie laid Rooney's head on a plate for Moyes was because he knew how poor Rooney was and how that impetuousness and explosiveness of his youth which he relied heavily upon was gone and never coming back. Take that away and you have the man you see before you today. A merely 'good', possibly 'very good' player but not the man to build your team around... It comes as no surprise to me that the two periods of time where Rooney was the main man, we were trophyless: 2004-6; 2010; and now this season. Yes his own performances improved, but they came at the cost of the rest of the team's overall shape. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Wayne Rooney is an albatross on the squad. As long as he is a central cog, we will not be successful. Look at the marked difference we saw in our performances without him this season; when Welbeck led the line in January, when Hernandez played instead of him at Newcastle etc it's not a coincidence...
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I don't want to make this a Rooney thread but there is enough evidence to suggest that Rooney has been very successful for the club. He has at times carried us and has also compromised a lot to accommodate other players in the system. In fact, his whole demotion from playing as the striker to playing behind the striker for the sake of the team bought upon this lack of killer instinct.

I don't see how it was wrong for a new manager to bind one of his best players to a long contract irrespective of what the previous manager's opinion was on him. If he has cut him out then someone else would be blaming him for that as well. Let's agree to disagree here.
 
ManUtd43vr said:
That's what I was thinking too. If he is on the American timezones, then it is fair. But he is pulling out articles from various irish and british sources and I wonder how he knows all that if he isn't british. Maybe he is a brit in america and having an off day.
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He's not in America :oops:
KiD MoYeS said:
I'm a night owl, my body clock is fecked. I'll usually remain up 'til about four or five in the morning.

I'm Irish, it's a quarter past three in the morning here now.
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You should get some sleep we will know till late tomorrow hopefully. What time are you up in the mornings ?
 
I'll be checking the BBC when I get up at 0430 PST, 12:30 Bst.
It should be official by then, hopefully. Fingers crossed!
 
Off to bed, fully expect he'll be gone by the time I wake up 8 or 9 hours from now! A little disappointed that I'll miss the announcement to be honest...

Seriously though, when all opposition fans want the manager to stay, you know you have the wrong man in charge. Hopefully we'll just look back on this year and laugh at it, thinking what the feck were we thinking in appointing him in the first place.
 
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