Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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ZDwyr said:
The squad has issues. I think we all know that, Fergie did miracles with it. It shouldn't be this far off the pace though.
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Basically that's it.

The team has gotten worse, much worse, than the beginning of the season. With no signs of improvement in our style of play.

We've struggled to break down teams for a few years now, but it's been twice as bad this season. We've seen some 'slow motion zombie passing' but this season it's been taken to another level.

If Moyes had a known football style that was exciting I'd be fine right now.
 
It definitely makes more sense to sack him now rather than to wait until the season is over. Other managers will know for certain that the spot is up for grabs. The new manager will get the whole summer to adjust and some time to prep for it. The players might get a little boost for the rest of the season and finish above Tottenham.
 
Pexbo said:
You only need to see the buoyancy in this forum to understand what a relief to the squad his departure will probably be. 4 wins in a row after this. Onwards and upwards.
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I know right. I mean I feel bad for being so elated. But I can actually be positive about United again and look forward to next season. Provided obviously that we don't make the same mistake and hire Pulis or Allardyce.

Moyes made supporting United a masochistic ordeal this season.
 
"Nobody at Dortmund has to worry about that, we're all in love with this club and how it does things."

I've seen reports that Klopp said this about us and Barcelona. The exact same quote. Anyone know which club he actually said it about?

Edit: Bollocks that was meant for the Klopp thread
 
bosnian_red said:
What more do you need other then the club refusing to comment on all the reports (from literally everyone) that he will be sacked. If that isn't a very strong hint, then nothing is. If he wasn't going to be sacked, then they would come out to deny it as they did before this season.
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They did say he's a Manchester United manager now. May be negotiating something with him.. May be still making up their minds.. I don't know. Also, they haven't commented on the rumors about him being sacked earlier in the season too.

I agree there is no smoke without fire, but fire doesn't always mean a decision. There was a also a lot of smoke and fire about Herrera, but...

I admit though, I could be very wrong, I haven't been following the news closely today, and only heard the news when this thread already hit ~50 pages. Hopefully tomorrow will bring us a pleasant confirmation.
 
Pink Moon said:
Both warrant criticism. It's a piss poor squad and it was left to him by Ferguson.
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Yep of course! The piss poor squad who won the league last season! You can happily take your piss poor manager Moyes to whatever team you support!
 
Scorpy said:
I guess being a manager of a national side suits him then.
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He's said he actually doesn't like being manager of a national team. Misses the daily interaction with the players and all that. The midfield plays a huge role in his teams so I'm sure he'd be willing to spend to improve that aspect. Also he'll definitely improve the left back position as Evra is probably on his way out. Other then that I can see him making do with what we have, which isn't a bad thing. It's not good to make huge changes, but we do have a few positions that every manager would strengthen.
 
Sky1981 said:
Wow... now that we're 98% getting him sacked, I kinda feel for him.

But then again, I remember how he shafted Rene, Phelan, Fabio, Zaha, Giggs, how he fined Cleverly for going out 10 days (ten fecking days) before a match, his SAF comment, his smirk, his paycheck

Nah... thanks for the dour memories and being a bumper for Post SAF, but i don't think I'll miss him one bit
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We all feel sorry for him, and we all really wanted him to succeed, if not for him then for the fact that SAF chose him. But he just doesn't seem the man for the job. There is nothing personal about it.
 
if he hasn't left or been sacked and this turns out to be one big farcical nonsense then i fail to see how he could stay on? His position is now untenable either way (especially with the jubilant reaction from every single fan) and because so many people have reported it in the press coupled with the fact the club have refused to confirm or deny said rumors in the press when they had the opportunity ... it's made him look like a massive fool, if he stays then he clearly confirms what we all thought and that he does indeed have his head firmly up his arse and believes his messiah crap, no respectable man would stay after seeing so much about the job he's done.
 
sullydnl said:
He is very definitely gone. The journalists reporting it are as reliable as you can get and there would have been a denial from the club if it was untrue.

Now, I fear for the future. Sacking Moyes was a good decision but we can still screw things up worse if we pick the wrong manager again.

If we do get the right guy, and we do give him a big budget, then things will be good again. I'm worried though.
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At this point in time, can't imagine who would be worse. So it's always going to be better once he's gone
 
sullydnl said:
He is very definitely gone. The journalists reporting it are as reliable as you can get and there would have been a denial from the club if it was untrue.

Now, I fear for the future. Sacking Moyes was a good decision but we can still screw things up worse if we pick the wrong manager again.

If we do get the right guy, and we do give him a big budget, then things will be good again. I'm worried though.
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The importance of this decision has been lost somewhat in the elation of ditching Moyes. It's true though. It's imperative we choose wisely this time.
 
Danny1982 said:
They did say he's a Manchester United manager now. May be negotiating something with him.. May be still making up their minds.. I don't know. Also, they haven't commented on the rumors about him being sacked earlier in the season too.

I agree there is no smoke without fire, but fire doesn't always mean a decision. There was a also a lot of smoke and fire about Herrera, but...

I admit though, I could be very wrong, I haven't been following the news closely today, and only heard the news when this thread already hit ~50 pages. Hopefully tomorrow will bring us a pleasant confirmation.
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There wasn't anything like this. Before it was stuff like he's just under pressure, or another few results could be key but then he managed to beat Olympiacos and the speculation died down. Literally everyone reporting that he's getting sacked, it seems like a foregone conclusion. There's just no way back from here really. There's no need to worry, I'm 99% sure that he's as good as gone. It's a lot more then just rumours. The only thing the club said is he is still the manager as in he hasn't been sacked yet. Refusing to say anything about him staying at the club says it all. I think the club are just pushing him into resigning, these things are never instant. I think I read he'll get 4.5 million severance pay, that's not a decision that is made in a second. They'd need to iron out all the details, and the board will of course try to get the best deal for themselves out of this sacking rather then just giving him all the money for a shit job done.
 
Let's face it. This job is his poison chalice.

I don't think any top 5 or top 6 teams would go anywhere near him, with the things that are going at Everton (those damning comments), bust up with squad, dinosaur tactics even with a champion winning team.

He's gonna have to start again
 
redevil2 said:
At this point in time, can't imagine who would be worse. So it's always going to be better once he's gone
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Yeah at this point, nobody could do worse then Moyes. There's only one way from here. I don't think even Moyes would do as bad if he was taking over from somebody who did this shit, if you get what I mean. He's a decent manager still, nowhere near United quality and blatantly out of his depth, but the added pressure of being Fergie's immediate replacement didn't help, it was always going to end like this.
 
Danny1982 said:
They did say he's a Manchester United manager now. May be negotiating something with him.. May be still making up their minds.. I don't know. Also, they haven't commented on the rumors about him being sacked earlier in the season too.

I agree there is no smoke without fire, but fire doesn't always mean a decision. There was a also a lot of smoke and fire about Herrera, but...

I admit though, I could be very wrong, I haven't been following the news closely today, and only heard the news when this thread already hit ~50 pages. Hopefully tomorrow will bring us a pleasant confirmation.
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The difference is that we needed to come to an agreement with Bilbao for the deal to happen. We were in for him. So that part was never a lie.

With David Moyes, all we have to is sack him. We don't have to depend on a 2nd party to make this happen. This is a done deal. The club would have responded by now if not true.
 
bosnian_red said:
There wasn't anything like this. Before it was stuff like he's just under pressure, or another few results could be key but then he managed to beat Olympiacos and the speculation died down. Literally everyone reporting that he's getting sacked, it seems like a foregone conclusion. There's just no way back from here really. There's no need to worry, I'm 99% sure that he's as good as gone. It's a lot more then just rumours. The only thing the club said is he is still the manager as in he hasn't been sacked yet. Refusing to say anything about him staying at the club says it all. I think the club are just pushing him into resigning, these things are never instant. I think I read he'll get 4.5 million severance pay, that's not a decision that is made in a second. They'd need to iron out all the details, and the board will of course try to get the best deal for themselves out of this sacking rather then just giving him all the money for a shit job done.
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Fingers crossed.

By the way, 4 millions you say? Should we call Fellaini?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...it-Manchester-United-torn-apart-factions.html

Not sure what to make of this piece to be honest.... If true, it doesn't reflect well on the players. But then, his sycophantic treatment of Rooney was pathetic. Any manager worth his salt would have moved him on, not give him a ridiculous contract.

In years to come, that contract will be the ultimate symbol of Moyes' reign. Ahead of all the other clusterfecks because he literally had it in his hands to sell him and focus on the players who actually showed up for the big games and played a proper part in our successes over the last 3-4 years: the Chichas, Welbecks, RVPs... Instead, he did the exact opposite and put a player in decline on a 300k a week contract... Messi level wages for... Well, a Rooney. Not exactly rocket science to know how monumental a feck up that was.
 
With Moyes possibly sacked who had intention to spend big, are people worried somebody like Van Gaal will be reluctant to spend in the transfer market, even though is it evident we need to improve this team?
 
Danny1982 said:
We all feel sorry for him, and we all really wanted him to succeed, if not for him then for the fact that SAF chose him. But he just doesn't seem the man for the job. There is nothing personal about it.
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To be honest, some of us (including me) probably started to taking it on the personal level, because non personal simply doesn't work. Hence now that he's actually gone, I kinda soften again for him.

I feel for him as a human being, nobody would like to be in his position. But professional wise, I probably think he deserves all this for what he's done not long ago.
 
El-Manos said:
With Moyes possibly sacked who had intention to spend big, are people worried somebody like Van Gaal will be reluctant to spend in the transfer market, even though is it evident we need to improve this team?
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I hope we don't spend big.

2-3 new quality players is more than enough. Van Gaal would take care of the rest.
 
El-Manos said:
With Moyes possibly sacked who had intention to spend big, are people worried somebody like Van Gaal will be reluctant to spend in the transfer market, even though is it evident we need to improve this team?
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Van Gaal has a functioning set of eyes, any competent person thats watched us this season will know immediately where we need to strengthen and look to do it quickly.
 
rotherham_red said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...it-Manchester-United-torn-apart-factions.html

Not sure what to make of this piece to be honest.... If true, it doesn't reflect well on the players. But then, his sycophantic treatment of Rooney was pathetic. Any manager worth his salt would have moved him on, not give him a ridiculous contract.

In years to come, that contract will be the ultimate symbol of Moyes' reign. Ahead of all the other clusterfecks because he literally had it in his hands to sell him and focus on the players who actually showed up for the big games and played a proper part in our successes over the last 3-4 years: the Chichas, Welbecks, RVPs... Instead, he did the exact opposite and put a player in decline on a 300k a week contract... Messi level wages for... Well, a Rooney. Not exactly rocket science to know how monumental a feck up that was.
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Let's blame him for everything now? There was a considerable section of the populace on Redcafe who endorsed that decision to keep Rooney because that would have meant we strengthened a potential title challenger (on hindsight that sounds ridiculous). In fact, if I remember correctly, a lot of folks were happy that Moyes was in charge of handling the Rooney situation because SAF would have moved him on.
 
Danny1982 said:
I don't know. I have heard many things in the past..

May be it's because I was so sure he wasn't going to be sacked, no more than a couple of days ago, so not easy for me to believe otherwise. And then again why didn't the club say anything today?

Not sure. Hope it's true, but I'll believe it when I see it. Somebody from the club. Don't have to be a decision, but at least a hint.
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Mate, it was someone 'very high up in the club' who briefed all the journalists in the first place. One of them admitted it on Talksport a few hours ago (might've been Custis) when Goldstein pushed him on it. The only question is when United will make the announcement.
 
PSingh said:
I feel kind of sorry for Moyes, it's not nice to seem someone lose their job. I couldn't imagine how he's feeling right now.
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Not aimed at you messr Singh, I'm just piggybacking your post.....

I don't feel sorry for Moyes at all. He took the job on, didn't understand the complexity and size of the role. He got shot of the back room team, surely Fergie would have helpedhim along the way. The club splashed out, he had their full backing. The fans have been 100% behind him! more so when things have got tough. He was out of his depth and he's going to lose his job rightly. He's not being tarred and feather, put in stocks or sho at dawn, he just needs to find a new position with 12 mths salary to tide him over.

We've been fair, clubs been fair. Moyes gig is up.

What gets me is evra came to United, researched, learned our history, he took in the club. Moyes strikes me as the sort of guy that wouldn't know we had a museum. We are more than a club we are an intuition and if Moyes had grasped that he wasn't just changing kit colours and badge, he may have faired better, but he was determined to be his own man, wrongly assumed he was appointed for the man he is, not the man he could be. And now he's paying the price.

I get that folk wouldn't want to follow Fergie, but sure that's the point, that where we went wrong. You don't want a guy to grow into the role, you don't want SAF mark 2. You want a guy that is tried and tested and can stand bollocks out amongst the big boys without shrinking in fear (not literally of course, though LvG sound capable). You want a guy that's not scared of treading in SAF footsteps, but embraces the challenge of keeping up with the old man.

Family empires can crumble when they are passed to sons not capable of keeping up with their father and grandfathers footsteps, but it's not universal, some empires can grow from strength to strength because the next top dog has the desire to improve a little more.

You can sense the excitement in the caf, it's a huge weight off our shoulders because we could see the car crash coming, it's been a shocking season, and could have got worse, I think we are about to take appropriate action not a day too soon.

The revisionism of this season has staggered me, talk of how shite our squad is, how much of an overhaul is required, how poorly managed the club is... Really? Let's see which players are interested in staying now. Obviously vidic is gone, maybe evra will stay, you'll imagine giggs will finally retire though hopefully with the dignity he deserves. Hopefully rio will stay a year as cover. We could get by with a lb cb and cm now and finally kill this talk of out crap squad with no depth.

Tuesday will be a happy day, I just wonder if Moyes can take Fellaini with him, that's a £27m compensation I'd be happy to let him have!!!
 
Sky1981 said:
To be honest, some of us (including me) probably started to taking it on the personal level, because non personal simply doesn't work. Hence now that he's actually gone, I kinda soften again for him.

I feel for him as a human being, nobody would like to be in his position. But professional wise, I probably think he deserves all this for what he's done not long ago.
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Of course you don't like him when he makes stupid comments like the ones he made about our squad and about SAF, but like you said, we still didn't like him as our manager, not as a person. It's not like we want to see him hurting or anything..

And by the way, if/when he leaves us, I will really wish him all the best with his new club, because I feel his tenure at Manchester United may have had a very destructive effect on his career, and even though it was not our fault, you always wouldn't want people to suffer because of you.
 
100 said:
Finally got to the bottom of what triggered the decision
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Ah yes, the little known "Like" clause in the contract.
 
rotherham_red said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...it-Manchester-United-torn-apart-factions.html

Not sure what to make of this piece to be honest.... If true, it doesn't reflect well on the players. But then, his sycophantic treatment of Rooney was pathetic. Any manager worth his salt would have moved him on, not give him a ridiculous contract.

In years to come, that contract will be the ultimate symbol of Moyes' reign. Ahead of all the other clusterfecks because he literally had it in his hands to sell him and focus on the players who actually showed up for the big games and played a proper part in our successes over the last 3-4 years: the Chichas, Welbecks, RVPs... Instead, he did the exact opposite and put a player in decline on a 300k a week contract... Messi level wages for... Well, a Rooney. Not exactly rocket science to know how monumental a feck up that was.
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That's a bullshit agenda piece. Wouldn't take anything at all from it.
 
Hope to Christ we bring in some players ffs.

We need at least two midfielders, a LB and a CB. Beyond that, someone like Hernandez could be leaving anyway. Plus we still have to resolve the Rooney/RvP/Mata/Kagawa conundrum. None of these problems disappear with Moyes.
 
Danny1982 said:
They did say he's a Manchester United manager now. May be negotiating something with him.. May be still making up their minds.. I don't know. Also, they haven't commented on the rumors about him being sacked earlier in the season too.

I agree there is no smoke without fire, but fire doesn't always mean a decision. There was a also a lot of smoke and fire about Herrera, but...

I admit though, I could be very wrong, I haven't been following the news closely today, and only heard the news when this thread already hit ~50 pages. Hopefully tomorrow will bring us a pleasant confirmation.
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Ohhh... Just saw on FB this is what they post :(((((
"Let's dust ourselves down and go again when Norwich visit Old Trafford next weekend ..."
https://m.facebook.com/manchesterunited
 
BorisontheRock said:
Not aimed at you messr Singh, I'm just piggybacking your post.....

I don't feel sorry for Moyes at all. He took the job on, didn't understand the complexity and size of the role. He got shot of the back room team, surely Fergie would have helpedhim along the way. The club splashed out, he had their full backing. The fans have been 100% behind him! more so when things have got tough. He was out of his depth and he's going to lose his job rightly. He's not being tarred and feather, put in stocks or sho at dawn, he just needs to find a new position with 12 mths salary to tide him over.

We've been fair, clubs been fair. Moyes gig is up.

What gets me is evra came to United, researched, learned our history, he took in the club. Moyes strikes me as the sort of guy that wouldn't know we had a museum. We are more than a club we are an intuition and if Moyes had grasped that he wasn't just changing kit colours and badge, he may have faired better, but he was determined to be his own man, wrongly assumed he was appointed for the man he is, not the man he could be. And now he's paying the price.

I get that folk wouldn't want to follow Fergie, but sure that's the point, that where we went wrong. You don't want a guy to grow into the role, you don't want SAF mark 2. You want a guy that is tried and tested and can stand bollocks out amongst the big boys without shrinking in fear (not literally of course, though LvG sound capable). You want a guy that's not scared of treading in SAF footsteps, but embraces the challenge of keeping up with the old man.

Family empires can crumble when they are passed to sons not capable of keeping up with their father and grandfathers footsteps, but it's not universal, some empires can grow from strength to strength because the next top dog has the desire to improve a little more.

You can sense the excitement in the caf, it's a huge weight off our shoulders because we could see the car crash coming, it's been a shocking season, and could have got worse, I think we are about to take appropriate action not a day too soon.

The revisionism of this season has staggered me, talk of how shite our squad is, how much of an overhaul is required, how poorly managed the club is... Really? Let's see which players are interested in staying now. Obviously vidic is gone, maybe evra will stay, you'll imagine giggs will finally retire though hopefully with the dignity he deserves. Hopefully rio will stay a year as cover. We could get by with a lb cb and cm now and finally kill this talk of out crap squad with no depth.

Tuesday will be a happy day, I just wonder if Moyes can take Fellaini with him, that's a £27m compensation I'd be happy to let him have!!!
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All of us agree that he was out of his depth but it is ridiculous to even think that he needs to be blamed for taking the job in the first place. He deserves sympathy because he got offered a job he couldn't refuse. It was lack of succession management on the club's part by choosing the wrong man for the job. They just went by what the previous manager recommended instead of listing down the list of skills desired and then drawing up a shortlist of managers who meet those skills.

Anybody will take a job that big and not think about whether he is skilled enough for it because it is the job of the employer to ascertain that.
 
El-Manos said:
Who says he will even bring in that many players?
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We have 2 gaping holes in the squad that everyone knows need fixing. We won't have a left back apart from Buttner, our midfield consists of a 40 year old, a soon to be 33 year old, a 30 year old who just came back from an illness that had him out for a few years, Fellaini (needs no description), and then Cleverley and Anderson. Considering the midfield is a very important part of Van Gaal's game, you can be sure he'll fix that. He might want to strengthen the defence too as both Rio and Vidic are leaving probably.
 
Moriarty said:
Ed Woodward next.
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If Woodward if getting rid of Moyes, I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt. Let's see who he appoints as (permanent) manager.

I'm not overly concerned who takes the last few games, they mean little, I'd like us to finish above spurs but not fussed, it's quite romantic story for giggs to end his playing career as interim manager, hopefully it means he won't quit the club too.
 
Sky1981 said:
SAF is still the most experienced football man in the Glazer camp

Would you guys trust him again if he made another pick? Someone should make a poll.

I would still trust him, he must have learnt his lesson
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The problem is that it's not just his call, right? From what I remember, he wanted Mourinho first but others like Sir Bobby did not. So it will still be a group decision.

But whoever becomes the Thoroughly Considered One is going to have to come with obvious qualifications and history of achievement. That's the only sure thing imo.
 
bosnian_red said:
We have 2 gaping holes in the squad that everyone knows need fixing. We won't have a left back apart from Buttner, our midfield consists of a 40 year old, a soon to be 33 year old, a 30 year old who just came back from an illness that had him out for a few years, Fellaini (needs no description), and then Cleverley and Anderson. Considering the midfield is a very important part of Van Gaal's game, you can be sure he'll fix that. He might want to strengthen the defence too as both Rio and Vidic are leaving probably.
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Wouldn't surprise me if rio and evra stay on for a year, they need replacing no doubt, but the stability will help. I hope that this managerial change will calm things down and give us a little stability.
 
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