Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Empire said:
They were not posts defending Moyes but posts defending Moyes' few positives that other people unnecessarily tried to deny. There is a big difference here, I have never been back or sack Moyes but instead back the board.

I have maintained all along the board are in the best position to make a decision and I will back whatever decision they make. I made this clear to you also, and I made it clear to everybody else. David Moyes had under performed and whatever action the board take I will back because they are best placed to make a decision.

Just like Fellaini, who I defended when somebody called him a league two level footballer at best (but I'm not a fan of, in fact he scares me when he plays). David Moyes I defended when people were trying to make out he was a terrible, terrible manager and the positives he had achieved such as his away performances and strong results against lower teams were down to pure luck (which can be tricky fixtures, see Liverpool years gone by and Chelsea + City recently), I have always stated I will back the board's decision.

If the reports of them meeting with Klopp's representatives and Louis van Gaal's too, in order to discuss the possibility of taking up the job then they clearly were doing something right. You see, we don't have information like this, had the board opted to stick with Moyes they surely would have had a solid reason to do so.
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You've severely reduced your position of support for Moyes whether you choose to admit it or not, a few of us had debated it was to big for him and your seemingly go to argument is "I back the boards decision" which is fine but a few of us held the position of having our minds made up by our own eyes, yes we support the board and hope they make the right choices but the reports coming in that thuis was to save paying out on his full contract may ultimately be a shot in the foot. What we stand to lose from a CL run would have cleared his contract out in January and we would have probably caught a top four spot with a renewed attitude, perhaps getting a new old backroom in etc etc. Maybe the boards have robbed Peter to pay Paul a bit here.
 
Some of the back pages, don't think all have been posted.

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Fergie's Man said:
Seconded. There is no chance at all, that we will get Klopp. I would rather we didn't wait until after the WC before we get a replacement, if we are serious about a rebuild.
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I don't understand this sentiment. Why would he not be interesting in managing Manchester United? It would be a fantastic opportunity for him. At Dortmund he has to deal with other clubs, like ourselves but particularly Bayern, poaching his players. That must be a source of frustrations. He wouldn't have that at Manchester United. For a great manager, there's virtually no limit to what you can achieve at our club.
 
An Irish Red said:
"But, you know, Van Gaal will make one too many mistakes. Head Office will see what I already knew, and they go in there, they will march in there. They go, Right, yeah, David was right. You've pissed off him and you've pissed off him. You're not the manager you thought you were. Okay. So get out, we made the mistake. Then they drag him out by his hair and that's when the begging starts. They'll come to me and say, Ooh, David you were right all along, you were the right man for this job, you're the best man for this job. Will you come back? I'll be like, yeah sure how much money have you got? Because this is going to cost you, this is going to cost you."

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Neville singing Mourinho's praises on MNF. Discussing Moyes now.
 
Ainu said:
I don't understand this sentiment. Why would he not be interesting in managing Manchester United? It would be a fantastic opportunity for him. At Dortmund he has to deal with other clubs, like ourselves but particularly Bayern, poaching his players. That must be a source of frustrations. He wouldn't have that at Manchester United. For a great manager, there's virtually no limit to what you can achieve at our club.
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But he's stated he's staying at Dortmund till 2018 and is known to be a man who's loyal to his word. Whether or not we think he'd be better off here is irrelevant in this case unfortunately. He's an admirable person with a lot of loyalty, which is rare in the game these days.
 
sullydnl said:
Agree, hard not to feel sorry for someone who is struggling so badly. This will hurt him a lot. Handpicked for the biggest job he could ever have hoped to get and it all went wrong, right from the very beginning.

Hope we pick the right guy this time. It sucks seeing the club chew up good people. I was reading today about how managers like McGuinness reacted to their sackings, it was not fun for them. Hope Moyes can handle it well.
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He seems like a tough character and will be fine once the dust settles, he will also have learned a hell of a lot in his time here about the pressures of running bigger clubs and he will have taken a lot away about himself. Moyes is a good manager and will recover and ok it's been a disaster for him and us but he still has this on his cv and Manchester United manager is a cracking selling point for other football clubs.
 
Ainu said:
I don't understand this sentiment. Why would he not be interesting in managing Manchester United? It would be a fantastic opportunity for him. At Dortmund he has to deal with other clubs, like ourselves but particularly Bayern, poaching his players. That must be a source of frustrations. He wouldn't have that at Manchester United. For a great manager, there's virtually no limit to what you can achieve at our club.
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Same way Arsene Wenger rejected Real and Barcelona (rumoured), some choices are not on because the other club is hugely popular.
 
Cheesy said:
But he's stated he's staying at Dortmund till 2018 and is known to be a man who's loyal to his word. Whether or not we think he'd be better off here is irrelevant in this case unfortunately. He's an admirable person with a lot of loyalty, which is rare in the game these days.
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No it's not irrelevant. He may be a loyal man and all, but is he stupid? Loyalty only gets you so far in football. He'd have a very long think about it if he got an offer from us, and however conflicted he might feel about it, it would be hard for him to turn it down. Sure he might, but to argue there's no chance he'd come to us is silly talk.
 
Ainu said:
I don't understand this sentiment. Why would he not be interesting in managing Manchester United? It would be a fantastic opportunity for him. At Dortmund he has to deal with other clubs, like ourselves but particularly Bayern, poaching his players. That must be a source of frustrations. He wouldn't have that at Manchester United. For a great manager, there's virtually no limit to what you can achieve at our club.
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I can't fault your logic, but Klopp is the loyal type and I can't see it happening.
 
£4.5m severance package then. Which means they pay him off for a year. He definitely had a top 4 clause in his contract.
 
Ainu said:
No it's not irrelevant. He may be a loyal man and all, but is he stupid? Loyalty only gets you so far in football. He'd have a very long think about it if he got an offer from us, and however conflicted he might feel about it, it would be hard for him to turn it down. Sure he might, but to argue there's no chance he'd come to us is silly talk.
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Staying at Dortmund isn't stupid if that's the way he sees it when you consider our current position. He'd be worth an approach, but we're not going to get much out of it when he's basically told all clubs not to bother asking.
 
JohnDoe said:
Wonder how Moyes will react to this after the fact, he's seemed genuinely confident that he'll be allowed to build his side. Think this might come as a shock to him.
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Well if the severance package is only £4.5 Million then I am guessing we are only paying him for 1 year of his contract. That would lead me to believe he had a clause in his contract that said he was gone if he failed to make CL next season.
 
An Irish Red said:
"But, you know, Van Gaal will make one too many mistakes. Head Office will see what I already knew, and they go in there, they will march in there. They go, Right, yeah, David was right. You've pissed off him and you've pissed off him. You're not the manager you thought you were. Okay. So get out, we made the mistake. Then they drag him out by his hair and that's when the begging starts. They'll come to me and say, Ooh, David you were right all along, you were the right man for this job, you're the best man for this job. Will you come back? I'll be like, yeah sure how much money have you got? Because this is going to cost you, this is going to cost you."

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JohnDoe said:
Wonder how Moyes will react to this after the fact, he's seemed genuinely confident that he'll be allowed to build his side. Think this might come as a shock to him.
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It would just show how far out of his depth he his.

He cannot reasonably of expected to of delivered such a shambolic season and expected no consequences.
 
Cheesy said:
Staying at Dortmund isn't stupid if that's the way he sees it when you consider our current position. He'd be worth an approach, but we're not going to get much out of it when he's basically told all clubs not to bother asking.
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The stupid comment was directed at the idea that he would turn down such an offer without even considering it. It probably sounded wrong in that post.
 
I hope this doesn't turn out to be another Thiago, Sneijder or Hazard thread. I still haven't recovered from the Thiago saga.
 
Erebus said:
At times this has felt as if some kind of power struggle between factions of the board/senior club management have been played out - with some wanting to sack and some still defending. It's almost as if the simultaneous leaking of the story has been designed to force the hand of recalicitrant board members. As I pointed out earlier, these stories can then gather their own momentum and so present the board with almost a fait accompli. If there really was a difference behind the scenes, those who wanted Moyes out have played a blinder - Machiavelli himself would have been proud of the intricacies of the plot.
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I agree with this alot. The story has definitely been leaked by someone in the club, there's been rumours in the past but none have been reported upon with such vigour. For me that the club hasn't responded just convinces me more.
 
£4.5 million isn't exactly a bad payoff for a job poorly done. I'm sure he'll weep into his tens of millions.
 
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See, this kind of thing is just cruel and unfunny in my opinion.

I want him gone. I think he's inept. I will be delighted when he is no longer Manchester United manager, souring the club with his defeatist attitude and total lack of ability to manage a club at the top level.

But I don't want humiliated. By all accounts he is a good, honest, hard-working man. His pride must be seriously wounded by all this, and his reputation has taken a big blow. I think humiliating him is taking it a step too far.

I honestly wish him well for the future. I think he's a good manager, but not good enough for Manchester United. Most aren't. Managing at the top is a totally different kettle of fish, and he wasn't up to it. That doesn't mean he's not superlative at helping a smaller club position itself in the top half of the table and stabilising there. That's what he did at Everton, and that's what I think his skillset directs itself towards. I truly hope he gets a shot at doing something like that again (Aston Villa will be looking for a manager soon...).
 
Ainu said:
The stupid comment was directed at the idea that he would turn down such an offer without even considering it. It probably sounded wrong in that post.
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Thing is if reports are true then he has said similar offers, and has turned them down. I'd love him here, he'd be perfect for us I think, but I just can't see it happening. Part of what makes him so admirable is his loyalty to stay with Dortmund, and he's been very strong with his statements that he'll stay until 2018 at the very least. I don't see him going back on that.
 
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