Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Crashoutcassius said:
whats the point in replacing him with someone who hasn't a hope, or has about the same chance, of getting us back up to the top of the league and will just have to be replaced again in 2 years? just a waste of time. should be going for the top managers is all im saying, not someone whos not been good enough for his last two big jobs
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He will get us back into top four, more likely have us challenging, he's actually renowned for it, oh and Klopps Dortmund contract will be due for renewal in 2-3 years, it would probably be a perfect stop gap if we can't actually lure Jurgen in the Summer.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
haha i've just been talking about his record for 25 mins with about 15 posters and this lad posts his record, we all know he won a CL in 94, someone post trappatoni's record so we can see how much we want him
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You're having an absolute nightmare in this thread. Log off, get a glass of wine and chill out.
 
tippex said:
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Crashoutcassius said:
haha i've just been talking about his record for 25 mins with about 15 posters and this lad posts his record, we all know he won a CL in 94, someone post trappatoni's record so we can see how much we want him
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CL final in 2010, his last full season in charge of a club, if this is van Gaal we're talking about?

He has his flaws but he will likely perform better than Moyes.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
haha i've just been talking about his record for 25 mins with about 15 posters and this lad posts his record, we all know he won a CL in 94, someone post trappatoni's record so we can see how much we want him
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Evidently you haven't been talking about his record enough, as then you would know he won a CL in 1995, reached another final in 1996 and then got Bayern to the CL final in 2010 - knocking out Manchester United, you might have heard of them, - winning the domestic double in the process.

So please feck off with the Trapattoni talk, it's nonsense.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
its kinda all well and good saying 'ye he laid foundations for an empire' or whatever. that's fine. just think we should be going for top managers not ones that have bayern in 4th in a pretty shallow league in april. like I said, he's a good manager, he has plenty of good points, but he's just another manager who's not going to get us where we want to be, he'll sign a ton of players, get the chop, new managers comes in, rinse repeat. That's just the way I see it, we'll see if I'm right in 12 months time
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Well we had the most successful manager of recent times willing to take the job last hear and we gave it a pass because he's a bit of a cock. Ancelotti may be available at the end of season but other than that I cannot see which manager more successful than Van Gaal would be available now. It doesn't help that Guardiola, Heycknes and Mourinho have basically swept all important trophies for the past half a decade.
 
Bits from the Kenwright fans interview from 3 years ago:

Bill, “EBITDA is earning before……interest……taxation……depreciation and amortisation, it’s our income. On top of our income we have to pay interest of around £4m. Okay, you know about the bank loan we had under Walter, the securitisation for £30m, it’s now £24.6m, it’s like a mortgage; it goes down slowly. The bank overdraft is £25m, we had Bellefield; we have £25m plus Bellefield. I’m not talking down to you, I’m just asking questions that I didn’t know till I had to learn about accounts. September/August we get the first lot of Sky money, we’re cash rich. When you have sky money and season ticket money there comes a time when, like every club, we’re at the borrowing limit…end of March…so what do I do every year, I sit with my bank…why? Because at the end of the year we’re back down within our facility, okay, this time we’re not…what do you think our squad is valued at for insurance purposes? It’s about £180m but the banks won’t take that as security …you have to battle with your bank, daily for me. When David started I said to him, we had the £30m debt…remember we were going to get £27m from NTL under Walter…we had an overdraft of £5m. I told him “I’ll make you a promise, I’ve got no money but we’ll move heaven and earth to give you £5m a year.” On average we give him £5.6 every year. 9 years that’s £45m that we haven’t got. Add that to the overdraft….you can see what trouble we’re in.”
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Bill “Look, there’s Premier League quarterly meeting for the chairman and chief executive, there are the Premiership accountants, it’s all recorded; it’s like the UN. So I come home to Jenny, and I say ‘So why is it that I stand up and say we can’t let the agents get away with it.’ You can see the problem in football, United, Arsenal, Chelsea they get double our TV money, placement money plus Champions League…How many chairmen aren’t on a salary? One….me. Just work this out; legitimately I am the only Premiership chairman that doesn’t take a salary. Legitimately what could I have made over the past 12 years? On expenses, on the interest on the £11m loan; I have guarantees at the bank…..I had to borrow £3m from the bank 18months ago……It’s got to be £10m, it’s got to be”

Mark “Bill I ask you; you have to do an interview, you need to explain to the fans; why don’t you do that?”

Bill’s replied, “And say what? We haven’t reduced the overdraft, we lose money every year, we can’t make money. That’s the bad news. Don’t they know that?” Mark, “No, they don’t, why don’t you tell them?

Bill describes an article he sent to David Moyes, a two page article that Moyes told him he didn’t need to release, that he was Bill Kenwright. Mark, “Who said you shouldn’t do that” Bill “On my mother’s life, David Moyes”

Simon, “Bill, can I just ask, hand on heart, Moyes has two years left on his contract, I think he’s our most important asset, what’s keeping him at Everton?” Bill, “Simon, I’ve survived three periods of death threats not to sack him, I’ve had the shit in the post, I’ve had the wreath, I’ve had we know where your mother lives…” Simon, “Bill, can I just say, that’s wrong, we would all….” Bill, “I know, I know, look, he’s my mate, we talk about everything.” Mark, “Okay, to answer Simon’s question, do you think he is going to extend his contract?” Bill, “Do you want him to?” Barry, “I do.” Mark, “Can’t you answer that question?” Bill, “Ask me if I’ve asked him to stay.” Mark, “Okay, have you asked him to stay?” Bill, “Yes, of course I’ve asked him.”
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Barry, “I just want to know what’s the future for Everton Football Club, that’s my fear…as Mark said before, I want to know what we’re going to do…” Bill, “Well, are you pleased with what we’ve done so far?Barry, “Yeah, David Moyes has come in and had a five year plan, he’s just finished his second five year plan, some of the players are 28, 29, 30; what’s his next five year plan? What’s Everton’s five year plan? We can’t spend money now as we haven’t got any, we understand that, but how are we going to spend money in the future?”

Bill “So what was your five year plan guys? What was your five year plan in 1999, 2000? What was the plan then?” Mark, “We need to reduce the age Bill.” Bill, “No it was to avoid relegation. Then reduce the age. I still think that’s a good one. So what’s the next step? Sell. Sell! Sell! Get someone in there, if you know anyone, you’ve got my number……sell. In the meantime, you’ve got a Chairman who keeps the spirit of our Football Club like no other who’s sitting and talking to you like no other who’s…….”
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From here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bill-kenwright.338977/

Everton were/are a joke, and Moyes deserves tremendous credit for what he did there. Not even sure why I am posting this really.
 
scorgasm said:
He clarified it in a later tweet and said he just meant what a day etc.
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Yeah just seen that. So annoying. Clearly doing it to get attention for his twitter feed...

...hate stunts like that
 
Bross said:
Nice counter argument. Stop talking bollocks.
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I've been counter arguing for twenty minutes, and in other threads for weeks. I can't post the same stuff to lazy posters. Imagine sitting in a bar and discussing this for hours, and then some lad triumphantly hands you something you spoke about an hour beforehand. Everyone knows Van Gaals won titles in holland with barca and stuff but I just feel like the analysis has to be deeper than that because of how many managers have won titles with these clubs. I just don't think it's enough to say he's an elite manager without further discussion. No amount of wiki postings of his success in the 90s with Ajax is going to change my mind
 
Nothing is going to happen tonight now, it'll probably be a 9am statement tomorrow.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
its kinda all well and good saying 'ye he laid foundations for an empire' or whatever. that's fine. just think we should be going for top managers not ones that have bayern in 4th in a pretty shallow league in april. like I said, he's a good manager, he has plenty of good points, but he's just another manager who's not going to get us where we want to be, he'll sign a ton of players, get the chop, new managers comes in, rinse repeat. That's just the way I see it, we'll see if I'm right in 12 months time
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You should actually try and look up how van Gaal operates before saying or posting such lines. He operates on budget a lot of the times. He invariably gives youth a very fair shot. The players he brings in are generally which fit in the philosophy of playing good football and not because they can run fast or can dedend on the wings.

No one here claims that he will be a long term solution, but he will invariably stablilize the ship for a few years when we can then go for someone who can take advantage of the foundations he would have laid.

Just go through the post Revan had posted about Van Gaal's liat of honors. You will get the answer to the ridiculous point you posted about how he won't be much of an improvement on Moyes.
 
Why are people getting worked up about Rio's comments on twitter?

There is very little in that tweet that was posted here and what does the emotion of players have to do with Moyes being sacked?
 
Sarni said:
Well we had the most successful manager of recent times willing to take the job last hear and we gave it a pass because he's a bit of a cock. Ancelotti may be available at the end of season but other than that I cannot see which manager more successful than Van Gaal would be available now. It doesn't help that Guardiola, Heycknes and Mourinho have basically swept all important trophies for the past half a decade.
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true enough. I've liked Real's team this year, did'nt love Ancelloti before and he's done pretty shit in La Liga but he might be a nice appointment.
 
We've had Rooney v Ronaldo....Ronaldo v Messi....Bale v Neymar....coming up next

Van Gaal v Klopp
 
KeninDC said:
I know there's no comparison-but for some reason I'm thinking of the 1963 coup that toppled Diem-the first South Vietnamese president. He was considered an ineffective leader, and the army ousted him in a coup that was meant to establish a more stable government. The actual outcome was a decade of unstable governments...
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So basically we need Sylvester Stallone.

Tibs said:
I want to start a WE LOVE KLOPP thread to entice him here....need a snappier title though
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Better start it soon. If the rumors are true then it's a safe bet they have the replacement all but locked in.

tippex said:
Jamie Jackson just reposnded to "is Moyes' sacking a foregone conclusion or still speculation at this stage? Unusual for rumours to be so widespread." saying that "these are not rumours"
As Carragher said this has to have come from the Club (I don't agree with how it has been done) but its only a matter of time
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Pretty strong stuff.
 
rcoobc said:
Bits from the Kenwright fans interview from 3 years ago:







From here: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bill-kenwright.338977/

Everton were/are a joke, and Moyes deserves tremendous credit for what he did there. Not even sure why I am posting this really.
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He does deserve credit, absolutely. As does Pulis for what he did at stoke and Palace and . Doesn't mean he'd make a good utd manager (not saying you did say that).
 
NK86 said:
You should actually try and look up how van Gaal operates before saying or posting such lines. He operates on budget a lot of the times. He invariably gives youth a very fair shot. The players he brings in are generally which fit in the philosophy of playing good football and not because they can run fast or can dedend on the wings.

No one here claims that he will be a long term solution, but he will invariably stablilize the ship for a few years when we can then go for someone who can take advantage of the foundations he would have laid.

Just go through the post Revan had posted about Van Gaal's liat of honors. You will get the answer to the ridiculous point you posted about how he won't be much of an improvement on Moyes.
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sigh this whole discussion is so pointless because im having the same discussion with 50 people and having to repeat myself a billion times. So I guess this is the end of it it's too annoying. I understand that you can't read all my posts because who has the time for that, but it just makes the whole thing pretty pointless.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
He did a great job, but maybe getting a struggling club on a good footing is his level. I think even he might realise that now.
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Indeed, or maybe he just wasn't the one to succeed Sir Alex. But until someone gave him a chance, who could tell.
Dracula said:
He does deserve credit, absolutely. As does Pulis for what he did at stoke and Palace and . Doesn't mean he'd make a good utd manager (not saying you did say that).
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Indeed.

Tony Pulis incidentally was managing Gillingham in the 1999 League Two playoff Final against Man City and Gillingham were 2-0 up with 90 minutes gone but still lost.

In the big tapestry of 'Arry, Moyes, Big Sam, Pulis, Hodgson, O'Neill I wonder whom deserves the chances.
 
Sarni said:
BTW @Balu will probably agree with this in regards to van Gaal, he might not get the perfect results himself (although he might, he did win the double with Bayern and only missed out on CL narrowly just 4 years ago) but he will lay foundations for the next manager to build on and is one of the main reasons for Bayern's strength right now. He's great working with the youth too and tends to get the best out of players.
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I have a major beef with him because he was largely responsible for all sorts of cliques emerging at Barca back when he was there. That's one thing that would really worry me about him. I don't like him at all as a person either.

That said, he is tactically astute, tries play attractive football and we may actually need someone willing to tell 4-5 players to feck off whatever their status/importance is.

Mmmmm...
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Why are people getting worked up about Rio's comments on twitter?

There is very little in that tweet that was posted here and what does the emotion of players have to do with Moyes being sacked?
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Check out the Rio thread. We have some lunatic in there who thinks Rio is the f*cking anti christ.
 
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