Fightback time..Dave responds to Rio...
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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Interesting snippet:
'The mathematical impossibility of United finishing in the top four this season, following their 11th Premier League defeat of the season at Goodison Park on Sunday, means that United need only give Moyes a one-year pay-off under the terms of his five-year deal, rather than honour the full four years left on that contract. Ryan Giggs could then take over as caretaker manager for the final four games of the season'
'The mathematical impossibility of United finishing in the top four this season, following their 11th Premier League defeat of the season at Goodison Park on Sunday, means that United need only give Moyes a one-year pay-off under the terms of his five-year deal, rather than honour the full four years left on that contract. Ryan Giggs could then take over as caretaker manager for the final four games of the season'
They can still take Moyes, in fact I think they will and I think he wouldn't even be half bad for them.
I'd love him to come here but he's committed to Dortmund, so it's not going to happen unless he goes back on his word, which would partly reduce what makes him such a great figure in the game today.
Share the full article mate?
As shit as this season has been under him, I still can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Despite some of the stupid comments he makes, he is a genuine, nice man and it's not his fault that he's been put into this position. Who would have said no to SAF at the end of the day? no matter how much they think they'd be out of their depth?
Go f*ck yourselves, you pompous twats. Right, so in the following situations:1) Moyes is replaced by the manager you personally rate the least, in the world. After another disastrous season, United lie in mid-table. The board, not wishing to sack 2 managers in 2 years, announce that if United win their last game, at home to already-relegated Burnley, they will retain the manager for the next season. You believe that replacing him would lead to 10+ more wins the following season.
2) United lie third. They cannot finish second or fourth. They travel to Chelsea on the last day of the season, in a game postponed from earlier in the year. Liverpool have already played all their games and are 2 points clear of Chelsea at the top of the table. Only a United loss can prevent Liverpool winning the title.
3) United top their 2016 Champions League group with one game to go. With hectic league schedules, the new policy of the best teams in the competition bar United is to rest their stars for every group game, and as a result they will all come second. A win means United will face either Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid or Bayern Munich in the last 16. A loss and they will face HAPOEL Tel Aviv, Lille, Standard Liege or Sporting Braga, who have all somewhat fortunately won their groups on goal difference against the B squads of the stars.
Do you enthusiastically want United to win in each of the above scenarios? Even if in 1) and 3) you believe it will probably lead to more hurtful and meaningful losses in the future and in 2) you gift your biggest rivals the title?
and the link to it.
I doubt that they will. Likely they will go for someone better, in fact, they didn't ever look to Moyes during all those years when they changed the manager almost as much as Chelsea
Where have you gotten this information from ?
It would explain exactly why he hasn't been firred up until now.
I'm a Maidstone boy :-)
To those saying you don't expect anything tonight, the ultimate decision will be from the Glazer's the day is still relatively young for them. The news broke today at around 9AM US time so could be that the source is based in the US / close to the Glazers.
Ah right, both make sense, just not sure if something so massive would be leaked that way. I'm certainly not an expert in the field though. Cheers.
Ah right, both make sense, just not sure if something so massive would be leaked that way. I'm certainly not an expert in the field though. Cheers.
That Independent article is really interesting actually. Also the suggestion that this had been coming for a couple of months and that Moyes may have offered to step down after the Liverpool game.
The worry is that it's not done and dusted, and their are factions at board level. Nothing to stop one faction briefing against him in order to strengthen their position. You'd hope there'd be more unity and less politics, but it's far from impossible, especially given the range of people involved, and their histories for obstinance.
If this is the case, I'd say the ploy has worked, as from that one briefing they have essentially made his position untenable - Granted, Moyes did all the hard-work on this, and left them with a tap in.
I suppose you have to admire the play in a Machiavellian sort of way.
You haven't been keeping tabs with Leeds United I take it? Mc D there would love to be in Moyes' place.
It must be quite annoying for Liverpool fans that this season's big story will be Moyes' sacking and the appointment of his successor rather than their title win.
He was their choice to replace Redknapp in 2012
I'm sticking with "you never once won the league when Sir Alex was here!"
That works. Also, you're by far the worst defence to have ever won the league, bar none.
Does that make you a Kentish Man or a Man of Kent? I never understood the distinction.
I was just thinking that. We also seem to steal other peoples thunder.
1) Moyes is replaced by the manager you personally rate the least, in the world. After another disastrous season, United lie in mid-table. The board, not wishing to sack 2 managers in 2 years, announce that if United win their last game, at home to already-relegated Burnley, they will retain the manager for the next season. You believe that replacing him would lead to 10+ more wins the following season.
2) United lie third. They cannot finish second or fourth. They travel to Chelsea on the last day of the season, in a game postponed from earlier in the year. Liverpool have already played all their games and are 2 points clear of Chelsea at the top of the table. Only a United loss can prevent Liverpool winning the title.
3) United top their 2016 Champions League group with one game to go. With hectic league schedules, the new policy of the best teams in the competition bar United is to rest their stars for every group game, and as a result they will all come second. A win means United will face either Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid or Bayern Munich in the last 16. A loss and they will face HAPOEL Tel Aviv, Lille, Standard Liege or Sporting Braga, who have all somewhat fortunately won their groups on goal difference against the B squads of the stars.
Do you enthusiastically want United to win in each of the above scenarios? Even if in 1) and 3) you believe it will probably lead to more hurtful and meaningful losses in the future and in 2) you gift your biggest rivals the title?
Those or choose your own adventure scenarios not things that could feasibly happen in Football.
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I thought he has a 6 year contract? So we pay 1 rather than 5?
Guy there saying the Glazers are in town next week. Also say Klopp is a front runner and that we have already approached him.
I agree with Neville that a manager who has been given a 6 year contract should be given the time he deserves to do his job. All season long we were led to believe that Moyes will stay on. All the press briefings which Woodward was part of reiterated just that. If anything, Moyes has always believed that he will be give the opportunity to make the changes he deemed necessary. I hope we get more clarity on this issue soon.
It'd be good if Giggs was to take over with Gary Neville, Paul Scholes & Nicky Butt all by his side... lots of managerial inexperience so it would definitely fall apart but I'd like to see it, especially if it worked!
And it's a World Cup year where the inevitable collapse of the English team - made up largely if Liverpool players - will further dampen their title win.
1 and 3 are exaggerated versions of how I viewed the Everton game. 2 is certainly feasible.
That looks like an error in the article.
Every single journo is referring to Moyes and his tenure in the past tense. He's a sure goner. Announcement might well be made in the morning.
Moyes needs to get out of England and start again. It would be a mistake for him to take the Spurs job if offered to him.
It's going to be so hilarious when we actually bring in a quality manager that get's the side ticking and the fans of City, Liverpool etc who are all taking the piss with their signs and banners come to the realisation that we're fecking back.
The length of his contract shouldn't be used to dictate his sacking. What if he'd had a 3-year contract, for example? Part of what made his appointment such a poor one is retrospect was the length of the contract we gave him. We placed way too much faith in someone who wasn't good enough for the role.
Duncan Castle's opinion piece:
When David Moyes sought to place context on Manchester United's latest emasculation he almost selected his words correctly. “We are rebuilding,” said the manager after Easter Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Everton that simply served to underline the two clubs' divergent trajectories since Moyes left one for the other.
Swap “United” for “we” and the sentence would have been accurate.
It was not the defeat at a ground where Moyes established his Premier League coaching credentials across 11 years of assiduous, considered work that killed his hopes of being allowed a second summer transfer window at Old Trafford. For United's key decision makers, Moyes has been a dead man talking for at least a month.
Nor was the avalanche of unacceptable results - the snowballing list of unwanted Premier League-era lows - the critical factor in electing to dismiss a manager who turns 51 later this week. What truly undid Moyes was the damage his man management was inflicting upon United's bottom line.
Time and time again this season Moyes has sought to lay the blame for the club's unprecedented under-performance – from champions by 11 points to eliminated from all domestic contention by the end of January – on the squad he inherited from Sir Alex Ferguson. And as the executive vice-chairman promoted alongside him last summer encouraged Moyes' efforts in overhauling United's scouting department while telling public and press that the replacement Scot's job was safe, he grew confident of an immense summer investment in new players.
Discussion of a £100million-plus spend on transfer fees alone became as common as a Moyes press conference emphasising the dire need to restructure. His recruitment plan involved the extraordinary measure for an elite European club of signing as many as six top-class players in the peak period of their careers; over the age of 25. And all this on top of the near £65m in transfer fees already thrown at Marouane Fellaini and Juan Mata, plus a club-record contract awarded to Wayne Rooney.
In eight years of ownership by the Glazer family, Ferguson's net transfer spend averaged under £20m a campaign. What Moyes proposed to turn his own failure around was that he be entrusted with more than five seasons of such expenditure in one single summer splurge.
Swap “United” for “we” and the sentence would have been accurate.
It was not the defeat at a ground where Moyes established his Premier League coaching credentials across 11 years of assiduous, considered work that killed his hopes of being allowed a second summer transfer window at Old Trafford. For United's key decision makers, Moyes has been a dead man talking for at least a month.
Nor was the avalanche of unacceptable results - the snowballing list of unwanted Premier League-era lows - the critical factor in electing to dismiss a manager who turns 51 later this week. What truly undid Moyes was the damage his man management was inflicting upon United's bottom line.
Time and time again this season Moyes has sought to lay the blame for the club's unprecedented under-performance – from champions by 11 points to eliminated from all domestic contention by the end of January – on the squad he inherited from Sir Alex Ferguson. And as the executive vice-chairman promoted alongside him last summer encouraged Moyes' efforts in overhauling United's scouting department while telling public and press that the replacement Scot's job was safe, he grew confident of an immense summer investment in new players.
Discussion of a £100million-plus spend on transfer fees alone became as common as a Moyes press conference emphasising the dire need to restructure. His recruitment plan involved the extraordinary measure for an elite European club of signing as many as six top-class players in the peak period of their careers; over the age of 25. And all this on top of the near £65m in transfer fees already thrown at Marouane Fellaini and Juan Mata, plus a club-record contract awarded to Wayne Rooney.
In eight years of ownership by the Glazer family, Ferguson's net transfer spend averaged under £20m a campaign. What Moyes proposed to turn his own failure around was that he be entrusted with more than five seasons of such expenditure in one single summer splurge.
Depends what side of the River Medway you are from, and as it runs through Maidstone... god knows. I think it mostly applies to the villages.
Also I dont believe this. I wasnt at the game thankfully.
Fightback time..Dave responds to Rio...
Ok I'am just going to come out and say this, but I don't have a clue about what Rio exactly meant with his tweet and if this is Dave his response than I also got to admit I have no clue on what he is trying to say. I would really appreciate it if somebody enlightend me.
I mean yea I understand Rio his words, players can't show emotions anymore from the fans and so the gap between them is widening, what is he refering to ? I can also understand that seagulls like sardines and that they are conditioned to follow trawlers and for some kind of reason Moyes is thankfull for that (although most likely it is sarcasm) but really I don't get the underlying meaning of those two tweets and I completley fail to connect the two aswell. Please can somebody explain, much obliged !
Fairly shit article that....
So why they got AVB instead?
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