Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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you need to do something different to compete in this league. People will happily point to liverpool about how chopping and changing managers and not spending that much money will win you leagues... but 1 league in 30 years or whatever isn't a great return for a club of that size. In order to beat chelsea/city with their money we will have to be focussed, and to me that means picking a manager and sticking with him, if it's moyes or not I don't care, but if we chop and change managers every 2 years while spending way way less than our rivals we are not going to win leagues very often

No, that doesnt mean picking a manager and sticking with him. This season should have shown that. It means picking good managers who dont necessarily need huge money every summer. And if reports about our debt situation is correct, we wont have a problem in the transfer market either.

Seriously, I dont get the longevity hype. Look around at the top clubs in the world and see how many have long managerial reigns.
 
I guess I can only speak for myself. I was against the appointment before he was hired, but once he was I was supportive and wanted to give him time. His continuous failure to deliver results in addition to his defeatist attitude that has nothing to do with Manchester United made me turn around christmas.

There was a poll around christmas and a large portion still wanted to give him time up untill at least the summer even after lacklustre results.
Same here. I've never rated him but got behind him when he took over and felt he should get a minimum of one season. Obviously I had no jdea he'd be as bad he has been.
 
It's really simple: He hasn't in neigh on a year given any indication of anything more than faux winning mentality. You don't need to be a footballing expert to see through that.
Why are you talking about this season though. We're talking about before this season started, and you've plenty of evidence to believe that anyway, so why talk about this season.
 
What is this talk about building his own team? It's not like that our team is full of relegation crap and Moyes needs to weed out the whole squad and bring in his own men. If he can't do even a decent job with good enough people, what's the guarantee that he would do a good job with the people he would bring in?
 
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From Twitter. :lol:

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He won the league with Bayern recently. You need to get your head checked if you actually believe that Van Gaal is not a successful manager. He may be a nutjob but a guy who knows how to play good football and get results.
I didn't say he wasn't successful, he's just not very good. Available managers are typically available for a reason. Sometimes Mourinho floats around free because of unrealistic expectations at a club, the odd time guardiola quits because it was too easy or something, doesn't happen all that often
 
Before his arrival they should have seen that he simply did not have the character to manage this club, if there had been any due process, interviews, evaluation it might have been spotted but instead Ferguson drove his car round to his house and told him he was the new manager.
Wrong analysis here methinks.

no one (including Sir Alex) would have ever imagined Moyes' learning curve is so negative. No one would have expected him to sack back room staff who have been there, done that, commanding players' respect and to achieve a seamless continuity (or at least upsetting the apple carts in a minimal way). He made so many mistakes which are not to be foreseen. Of course if he eventually delivered after doing what he has done, and we are only downgraded to 4th instead of 7th, he's still a good successor. But the trauma is way too much not to take action as a damage control. He disappointed everyone particualrly Sir Alex to be honest.
 
Will getting rid of Moyes be a problem for any transfer targets that may be part way in to being worked through?. A new manager in may not want the targets that are currently being pursued.
Maybe, yeah. Although some journalists have listed the fact that the board were wary player's would be uninterested in playing under Moyes as a reason he faces the axe.
 
You're the mod, but I think it's an overreaction.

Actually, I did think it was a bit strong at the time, but I was so annoyed at Gary repeating the same old party line rubbish.

I react strongly because it's something that I don't like to see on the boards as it diminishes us all as Mancs, wannabe Mancs and decent people. We are all, or at least most of us are, creative enough that we can find better ways of saying that Moyes isn't good for the club. Thanks for your understanding.
 
They all have to go. Round, Neville, all of them. Clean break. Hell, I'd can Rosenthal at MUTV.
 
I'm not being biased but honestly this is the best job right now.

The new manager will have almost no pressure in doing his job whilst also enjoying the support of the fans and given a lot of financial backing.
You're completely right, and whoever gets it will look 10x the manager they are because they'll be compared to Moyes.
 
What is this talk about building his own team? It's not like that our team is full of relegation crap and Moyes needs to weed out the whole squad and bring in his own men. If he can't do even a decent job with good enough people, what's the guarantee that he would do a good job with the people he would bring in?
It's become accepted wisdom on the Caf that we are shite, that our players are nowhere near good enough.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are about to win the league after bringing in the likes of Victor Moses and Iago Aspas to strengthen the side that finished 7th the previous season.
 
Will getting rid of Moyes be a problem for any transfer targets that may be part way in to being worked through?. A new manager in may not want the targets that are currently being pursued.

Good point, also Toni Kroos might be disappointed at not getting the chance to work with David Moyes.
 
Can this not happen at this point? Is there enough egg in the world for all the journalists' faces if it doesn't happen? :D
 
on here, yes, but not by the match-going fans and media, which is what's most important.
Even here, he was criticized but almost no-one (well possibly only Pimpy) has asked for his sacking before the turn of the new year (those losses against Stoke, Sunderland and then the game against Fulham). I remember people like Irwin being extremely aggresive when other posters criticized (not asked for his sacking or calling him names like it has become the trend after Olympiacos game) or questioned him.

Madrid and Chelsea would likely have sacked Moyes after the Newcastle game on December and Madrid fans would have started the protests with thise white sheets as early as after the loses against WBA/City. I really doubt that any other top club in the world would have sticked so long with Moyes (of course with these results) and the fans of other clubs would have made rebelation on the stadium. I mean Madrid fans booed Capello for only winning the title after they couldn't win it for the last 3 seasons.
 
I didn't say it would be entirely to do with fans. I listed a whole number of reasons why it probably doesn't look that attractive to be at united right now. Our first 11 is far weaker than our rivals and we have no CL to lure players to our aging and unsettled squad, whoever comes in has one summer to solve this or their head is on the chopping block too... in simeones case he could just stay at Atleti and keep doing what he's doing. You get what I'm saying? Fan thing is just a small part of why this job shouldn't look that attractive

Yet you keep touting the fans as a major issue. Simeone is at Atletico Madrid, a club who have nowhere near the same resources as United. We may not have the best squad but everyone in world football knows we are far better than our league position. I know your pro-Moyes stance but you make it sound like we are not going to get anyone better than Moyes. This is Manchester United, not Rochdale. Plus weren't you the one advocating how we will still be able to attract top names despite our struggles this year.
 
I'm not being biased but honestly this is the best job right now.

The new manager will have almost no pressure in doing his job whilst also enjoying the support of the fans and given a lot of financial backing.

That's a fair point, expectations well and truly readjusted :lol:
 
Guardian reporter just tweeted this, feck their cryptic tweets:
 
In the end, it is always about the players. And for a long time now the jungle drums have been sounding, telling us Manchester United’s stars simply weren’t having David Moyes.

You can groan until the cows come home about the evils of ‘player power’, but the realities of top-end Premier League football is that a successful boss must cunningly man-manage twenty-odd PLCs, with their own egos and multi-million pound annual turnovers.

Sir Alex Ferguson came to understand this, but fellow Scot Moyes never could.

United’s players were aware of their manager’s imminent departure before Sunday’s defeat at Everton. But while that pitiful performance had no bearing on Moyes’ demise, it was indicative of everything which caused it.

Gone was the buccaneering spirit and breakneck attacking of Ferguson’s teams. The difference in the pace of play and speed of thought between the sides was so startling, it appeared that Moyes was playing a 45rpm record at 33rpm.

And this against an Everton side which Moyes had the nous to assemble, but never the nerve to unleash.

It was a humiliating afternoon in this age of instant ridicule.

A stooge from a publicity-hungry bookmaker was dressed as a Grim Reaper near the visitors’ dugout, waving an inflatable scythe at Moyes.

A decent, hard-working man deserved better. But perhaps he never deserved to be manager of Manchester United. And perhaps he always feared as much, deep inside.

Before the final whistle at Goodison, Twitter users were sniggering at an image of Moyes and assistant Steve Round perusing a dossier on set-pieces, while Roberto Martinez’s devil-may-care side were putting their team through the shredder - playing like Fergie Boys, as United’s fans always urged Moyes to do.

But that photo of Moyes and Round was telling, especially as the manager’s decision to sweep away Ferguson’s backroom staff and appoint his own men was unpopular among players.


And the dressing-room whispers said that these champions were unimpressed at having to pore over DVDs of opposition teams and by being over-burdened with information when they felt fully able to think on their feet.

To develop the terrace chant from the Ferguson glory days, their attitude is ‘We’re Man United, we play how we want’.

They wondered how they could romp to the title one season and be seventh the next. They noted that the playing squad had been moderately enhanced and only the coaching staff significantly altered.

Moyes’s schoolmasterly man-management was also increasingly unpopular.

There had, for example, been talk of an extremely lengthy explanation delivered by the Scot to his players about next season’s club blazer and tie.

And when Ashley Young, Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley were ordered to train apart with the fitness coach and the reserves, as punishment for a drinking session when they had three days off and were not due to play for 10 days, team-mates were, rightly or wrongly, shocked by the severity.

Welbeck’s desire for a move soon became public.

Since player-coach Ryan Giggs was rumoured to be distancing himself from Moyes, the writing had been on the wall. The epitome of the Ferguson old guard had, in his understated way, turned against the new regime.

Holland boss Louis van Gaal – a potential successor to Moyes – suggested Robin van Persie was unhappy at United.

And would captain Nemanja Vidic have handed in his notice and agreed a summer move to Inter Milan had he been inspired by his United manager?

Wayne Rooney was perhaps an exception to the dissenters. Despite a previous legal dispute, Moyes kept him out of Chelsea’s clutches and engineered a vast new contract.

Had Ferguson not retired, though, Rooney was going the way of David Beckham, Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Roy Keane – in one of those mafia-style hits from the Knight of the Living Dread. Gone before any mere mortal had suspected their best days were over.

Moyes took the opposite view to Ferguson – which usually puts any football man in the wrong.

And while Rooney’s strike-rate remains decent, he has not scored a single significant goal against a major club this season – merely a late consolation in the 4-1 drubbing at Manchester City.

Much sentimental guff has been written that United were a club apart, willing to show loyalty to any manager simply because they had once afforded loyalty to the greatest of them all.

They were certainly more loyal than most. Had Moyes endured the same results at Chelsea, he’d have been gone in half this time.

But it is odd that so many seasoned observers seemed to mistake the Glazer family for the Brady Bunch.

They obviously hadn’t been listening to the dressing-room whispers.

Or perhaps they underestimated the power of elite modern players
Good article
 
I'm not being biased but honestly this is the best job right now.

The new manager will have almost no pressure in doing his job whilst also enjoying the support of the fans and given a lot of financial backing.
Indeed it is. It is also the best time when the club can question the loyalties of some great managers like Klopp. A lot of money to spend, coming after a very bad season but still having a top squad, and almost no pressure to win the title (as long as he can guide us to top 4 and play some exciting football).

Following Sir Alex was hard but following Moyes would be piss easy.
 
I didn't say it would be entirely to do with fans. I listed a whole number of reasons why it probably doesn't look that attractive to be at united right now. Our first 11 is far weaker than our rivals and we have no CL to lure players to our aging and unsettled squad, whoever comes in has one summer to solve this or their head is on the chopping block too... in simeones case he could just stay at Atleti and keep doing what he's doing. You get what I'm saying? Fan thing is just a small part of why this job shouldn't look that attractive

Yet you keep touting the fans as a major issue. Simeone is at Atletico Madrid, a club who have nowhere near the same resources as United. We may not have the best squad but everyone in world football knows that we are far better than our league position. Also, were you not the one touting how we will be able to atill attract top players despite our poor performances this season.

I didn't say he wasn't successful, he's just not very good. Available managers are typically available for a reason. Sometimes Mourinho floats around free because of unrealistic expectations at a club, the odd time guardiola quits because it was too easy or something, doesn't happen all that often

He is a very good manager with a proven track record which does not involve spending hundreds of millions. You are digging yourself a grave here with those silly arguments. Just give in on this one.
 
Why are you talking about this season though. We're talking about before this season started, and you've plenty of evidence to believe that anyway, so why talk about this season.

This year, two years ago - still no evidence of anything but managing expectations.
 
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