Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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So there's never one situation where you would want United to lose? Even if you really believed it was best for the long-term health of the club?
No, in the last few weeks I was certain he would be gone no matter what. But up to then I was fully supporting him and hoping beyond hope that things could turn in his favour.

I can think of no reason even hypothetically why it would be a good thing that we lose a game.

Sorry but you are a modern day shitty fan, that I have little or no time for.
 
Nev has become a joke with some of his views. He buys far too much into the "holier than thou" belief that some have about the club even though we've given Moyes more time than any top club would have. Its the same with his comments about wide play, wingers etc.
 
Moyes wasnt despised from day 1. Most were supportive of him up to around christmas, but the continuous dross he has served up has turned everyone against him.
you're entitled to your opinion and there's no way to prove this, imo more than 50% had their minds made up before he signed, and a lot more started dropping before the end of october even. pointless thing to argue since you can say 100% of people supported him until yesterday if you like and I'm not going to be able to prove otherwise
 
Moyes wasnt despised from day 1. Most were supportive of him up to around christmas, but the continuous dross he has served up has turned everyone against him.

Moyes was despised by most on here from the day he was appointed and before a ball had been kicked.
 
Gentlemen. No fighting in the war room please.

And seriously @Feeky Magee are you trying to tell me that the fans who've been wanting us to win games and supporting us on match days are in the wrong here?

That's fundamentally what being a supporter is.

I didn't want Moyes here either but I wasn't under any deluded belief that my opinion made a whole lot of a difference.

Ignore him, he's a troll.
 
Nev has become a joke with some of his views. He buys far too much into the "holier than thou" belief that some have about the club even though we've given Moyes more time than any top club would have. Its the same with his comments about wide play, wingers etc.

He really has.
 
No, in the last few weeks I was certain he would be gone no matter what. But up to then I was fully supporting him and hoping beyond hope that things could turn in his favour.

I can think of no reason even hypothetically why it would be a good thing that we lose a game.

Sorry but you are a modern day shitty fan, that I have little or no time for.

Added to which, hoping we don't win a game doesn't actually make it happen.

Christ if willpower were that strong we wouldn't need a manager.
 
I disagree. I think if you held interviews with Moyes, Martinez, Mourinho and Rodgers (assuming all of them would go for that) and asked them about their plans for the club and how they would implement their vision, Moyes would stick out like a sore thumb.
Why? The club have still been complimenting his approach to scouting as late as last month. Those stories of how he evolved training etc have always been around. Forget Mourinho, as he is a different type of manager. One thing I would say is that, I've not heard anyone say Moyes has revolutionised the way he does anything in the last 5 years or so. It could be he initially was ahead of the game, but everyone else has caught up.


Moyes vs Rogers vs Martinez. (prior to this season). Could be interesting.
 
I guess we'll see whos right when the new manager is announced, if its Van Gaal I presume that means we couldn't get an actual top manager to leave another top club for us
Even if we get Van Gaal - who is a fecking CL winner, by the way, how is he not a top manager... - that won't mean that nobody else wanted to come to us because we sacked Moyes. That's ridiculous.

I'm fairly certain the entire footballing world is amazed that Moyes lasted this long. I repeat, any other top club - you know, clubs which top managers regularly go to - would have fired him long ago. Real Madrid can still attract the best managers even though they fired Capello TWICE immediately after winning the league. Del Bosque, too.
 
Nev has become a joke with some of his views. He buys far too much into the "holier than thou" belief that some have about the club even though we've given Moyes more time than any top club would have. Its the same with his comments about wide play, wingers etc.
you need to do something different to compete in this league. People will happily point to liverpool about how chopping and changing managers and not spending that much money will win you leagues... but 1 league in 30 years or whatever isn't a great return for a club of that size. In order to beat chelsea/city with their money we will have to be focussed, and to me that means picking a manager and sticking with him, if it's moyes or not I don't care, but if we chop and change managers every 2 years while spending way way less than our rivals we are not going to win leagues very often
 
I guess we'll see whos right when the new manager is announced, if its Van Gaal I presume that means we couldn't get an actual top manager to leave another top club for us

That's the wrong way to look at it. If a top manager is at a top club already, we may not be able to lure him and that has go feck all to do with fans. If that had been the case, managers would be running away from the RM job rather than queing up for it. Not to forget the Bayern fans openly revolting against Klinssman and they still getting Van Gaal and Pep and Heckneys.
 
If anything, managers will note how much time we gave Moyes despite being clearly out of his depth for months now. He wouldn't have survived January at either Bayern, Real or Barcelona. Abramovich would have fired him after the consecutive home losses against Everton and Newcastle, probably.

Potential managers will know that a top 3 finish will almost be enough to be considered a success now.

hell even a marked improvement and a challenge for the top 4/top 4 finish would make me happy at this point.
 
I honestly don't mind the fact that Nev thinks that Moyes should still be given time, when for the good of the club, his time should have been up a long time ago. The part that annoys me is how much criticism he's directing towards the players and their lack of cutting edge, but he doesn't once mention a problem with the managers tactics. In his world, does the club even need a manager? as he's been putting the blame on the players all season.
 
I can't imagine Manchester United will let Moyes take another presser with all this up in the air. Either the club will come out and dismiss the rumours in order to back him up, or he is sacked tomorrow, either one in my opinion.
 
I'm not being biased but honestly this is the best job right now.

The new manager will have almost no pressure in doing his job whilst also enjoying the support of the fans and given a lot of financial backing.
 
Why? The club have still been complimenting his approach to scouting as late as last month. Those stories of how he evolved training etc have always been around. Forget Mourinho, as he is a different type of manager. One thing I would say is that, I've not heard anyone say Moyes has revolutionised the way he does anything in the last 5 years or so. It could be he initially was ahead of the game, but everyone else has caught up.


Moyes vs Rogers vs Martinez. (prior to this season). Could be interesting.

It's really simple: He hasn't in neigh on a year given any indication of anything more than faux winning mentality. You don't need to be a footballing expert to see through that.
 
you're entitled to your opinion and there's no way to prove this, imo more than 50% had their minds made up before he signed, and a lot more started dropping before the end of october even. pointless thing to argue since you can say 100% of people supported him until yesterday if you like and I'm not going to be able to prove otherwise

I guess I can only speak for myself. I was against the appointment before he was hired, but once he was I was supportive and wanted to give him time. His continuous failure to deliver results in addition to his defeatist attitude that has nothing to do with Manchester United made me turn around christmas.

There was a poll around christmas and a large portion still wanted to give him time up untill at least the summer even after lacklustre results.
 
you need to do something different to compete in this league. People will happily point to liverpool about how chopping and changing managers and not spending that much money will win you leagues... but 1 league in 30 years or whatever isn't a great return for a club of that size. In order to beat chelsea/city with their money we will have to be focussed, and to me that means picking a manager and sticking with him, if it's moyes or not I don't care, but if we chop and change managers every 2 years while spending way way less than our rivals we are not going to win leagues very often
No one is saying we should do that nor would sacking Moyes be any indication of that happening.
 
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No, in the last few weeks I was certain he would be gone no matter what. But up to then I was fully supporting him and hoping beyond hope that things could turn in his favour.

I can think of no reason even hypothetically why it would be a good thing that we lose a game.

Sorry but you are a modern day shitty fan, that I have little or no time for.

@Feeky Magee

I agree.
 
That's the wrong way to look at it. If a top manager is at a top club already, we may not be able to lure him and that has go feck all to do with fans. If that had been the case, managers would be running away from the RM job rather than queing up for it. Not to forget the Bayern fans openly revolting against Klinssman and they still getting Van Gaal and Pep and Heckneys.
I didn't say it would be entirely to do with fans. I listed a whole number of reasons why it probably doesn't look that attractive to be at united right now. Our first 11 is far weaker than our rivals and we have no CL to lure players to our aging and unsettled squad, whoever comes in has one summer to solve this or their head is on the chopping block too... in simeones case he could just stay at Atleti and keep doing what he's doing. You get what I'm saying? Fan thing is just a small part of why this job shouldn't look that attractive
 
Moyes was despised by most on here from the day he was appointed and before a ball had been kicked.
This. A lot of people were also on the not a fan side but put it to the side because he became manager.
 
I'm not being biased but honestly this is the best job right now.

The new manager will have almost no pressure in doing his job whilst also enjoying the support of the fans and given a lot of financial backing.
it's an incredible job to get. Strong squad, massive club, huge budget, and the only thing he has to do to make the fans happy is get top four and show signs of playing good football. Hell, I'd probably settle for one of those. The idea that we're not an attractive proposition for a new manager is madness.
 
Will getting rid of Moyes be a problem for any transfer targets that may be part way in to being worked through?. A new manager in may not want the targets that are currently being pursued.
 
lol in 94? trap won CLs too you know, in the dark ages, lets get trap in

He won the league with Bayern recently. You need to get your head checked if you actually believe that Van Gaal is not a successful manager. He may be a nutjob but a guy who knows how to play good football and get results.
 
Yes, it's not like Van Gaal has done anything since. Or taken any other clubs forward in recent memory.
did he not get sacked at bayern for having them 4th in bundasliga in april? that's tough to do. Previous job, sacked at Barca when they were flirting with relegation in January
 
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