Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Revan said:
Biased towards Moyes (probably because of his brother). He didn't even try to make an equilibrium that the blame should be shared between Moyes and the players, until recently he acted like Moyes is the best thing to have happened to United this season. Which is far away from the truth.

If he had only tried to blame collectively all the players and Moyes (and his staff) it would have been probably ok, but he acted like players are shit and don't give a shit, while Moyes is a brilliant manager which is fighting against the world.
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I see what you are saying. I agree Neville has a bias, it's just in the opposite way to what he actually feels..

He almost "pretends" to support the teams United are facing when commentating, as he is massively over compensating for his red-tinted glasses, but it's more than practically anyone else has tried to do so that gets a big green tick in my book.

And as you say, he blames the players constantly and backs Moyes to the hilt. He should be loyal to the players as they are his friends and former colleagues, but he throws them under the bus for the sake of good journalism. Perhaps there is the "brother Neville" factor there too.
 
Lynk said:
Well Mr Pep had done it
Bayern Munich had won it
With Arjen Robben diving all the while
Moyes' tragic season made us smile
While Messi's hamstrings laid out on the bar room tile
We're talking refball
No quadruple for Aguero
Talking refball
For Ancelloti and Ronaldo
Cavani's grotesquely swollen jaw
Barca and their run in with the law
We're talking Neeeymar, Costa and Ibra
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:lol:

I was thinking of working that song into our situation earlier! The barca bit made me laugh the most mind.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Revan should stick to Star Wars.
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It would save me time, to be fair. And would make me much more likeable here.

However, I think that I have been one of the very few consistent people on Caf regarding Moyes, and unfortunately I have been right on most of the things.
 
Lynk said:
Well Mr Pep had done it
Bayern Munich had won it
With Arjen Robben diving all the while
Moyes' tragic season made us smile
While Messi's hamstrings laid out on the bar room tile
We're talking refball
No quadruple for Aguero
Talking refball
For Ancelloti and Ronaldo
Cavani's grotesquely swollen jaw
Barca and their run in with the law
We're talking Neeeymar, Costa and Ibra
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:lol: That's great.
 
Feeky Magee said:
Andy Mitten was on Newstalk tonight saying the Everton defeat sealed his fate and that if they had won and finished the season well, he may have been given time.

@Randall Flagg @CassiusClaymore
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I seriously doubt that. I've been saying for some time that I think we'll get rid of him before next season.

Results are obviously paramount but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that we were waiting to line someone else up and/or certain senior players have had their say which accelerated the decision.
 
Seems like we're just waiting for the bomb to drop at this point. How awkward will this week be for Moyes if he isn't sacked, after seemingly everyone reported him being sacked, and the club not taking a step to squash the rumours properly. I think it's about to happen.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Before his arrival they should have seen that he simply did not have the character to manage this club, if there had been any due process, interviews, evaluation it might have been spotted but instead Ferguson drove his car round to his house and told him he was the new manager.
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So the wining and dining of other managers never happened?

Moyes absolutely has the character to manage this club in my opinion (which will get me castrated). Sometimes, things just don't work out.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
It is absolute fecking bullshit, Will. There are no excuses other than laziness, as it seems quite simple for you to post that Moyes is damaging the club from within now that you have been called to task, or a sad pathetic attempt at being acerbically witty, which it isn't.

Either way you fail and are on my list. Enjoy.
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You're the mod, but I think it's an overreaction.

Actually, I did think it was a bit strong at the time, but I was so annoyed at Gary repeating the same old party line rubbish.
 
Stock exchange closes in about 20 minutes, from what we've learned today any such announcement has to happen when the NYSE is closed which is at 21:00.
 
Danny1982 said:
:lol:

Yet you thought world class players would still want to join us in the Summer under Moyes...
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I'm just talking about Klopp, Simeone, in great situations. I cannot see why they would leave their jobs given a ton of things. They have a really tough summer ahead if they took the job. They have the highest pressure job in world football. They have fans who will have absolutely zero patience for bad results or a style that isn't barcalona 2009 football. I just doesn't look at attractive enough proposition to me to lure the 3-4 best managers away from their cosy posts
 
I won't miss those retrospectively shitting on Sir Alex and insisting he would have the club down in 7th and be performing as well as Moyes this season.
 
Revan said:
It would save me time, to be fair. And would make me much more likeable here.

However, I think that I have been one of the very few consistent people on Caf regarding Moyes, and unfortunately I have been right on most of the things.
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You are alright, but Carragher over Neville was over the top mate.
 
Randall Flagg said:
I don't believe for a moment that the Everton game was his deciding game. Winning the game wouldn't have meant anything in the grand scheme of things. It will have been on their minds for quite some time. He probably would have gone earlier if we had gone out to olympiakos, but either way it was a matter of time.

The most likely reason now is they waited until CL qualification was impossible.

Either way I can't have respect for a so called supporter who wants to see utd lose games.
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So there's never one situation where you would want United to lose? Even if you really believed it was best for the long-term health of the club?
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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What the hell, man. Old Trafford has been singing Moyes name even quite recently, the plane was booed, he got a standing ovation at the start of the Villa game... What are you even talking about?

The squad doesn't look like it's not capable of finishing ahead of Liverpool, City or Chelsea. Moyes looks unable to get even half-decent performances out of said squad. The Glazers gave Moyes 65m to spend and sanctioned a gigantic contract for Rooney. They have been anything but tight.

Big clubs often sack their managers. Fans of said big clubs are usually far more vitriolic than ours have ever been. Yet top managers still go to top clubs.
 
Our fans have been a lot more patient than any other of the fans of top teams in this country would be.
 
Gentlemen. No fighting in the war room please.

And seriously @Feeky Magee are you trying to tell me that the fans who've been wanting us to win games and supporting us on match days are in the wrong here?

That's fundamentally what being a supporter is.

I didn't want Moyes here either but I wasn't under any deluded belief that my opinion made a whole lot of a difference.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
true enough, I was thinking the same, i can't imagine they're not aware of how despised moyes was from day 1 tho
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He isn't despised but it was clear as time went on that he had lost the matchday fans, yes the fans actively got behind him and the team but the talk on the concourses and in and around the pubs before and after on matchdays was increasingly #moyesout. I haven't got to many games this year but I have spent a few days around the ground drinking and chatting on match days. I wouldn't let the atmosphere of the fans on MOTD fool you into thinking they were completely blind, singing his name in the pubs in an act of faith that it would somehow transpire into good performances but ultimately thinking exactly the opposite.
 


Ogden reckons the sacking will probably be confirmed tomorrow morning.
 
crossy1686 said:
It depends how you look at it.

"So David, why did you resign?"

"I couldn't do the job and the players didn't like me"

That sounds worse than saying you were sacked because the players refused to play for you or you weren't leaving unless they sacked you. It depends how you look at it but being sacked by Manchester United shows more fighting spirit and character than walking out because it got tough.
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I totally disagree. It's a matter of agreement, when the club won't discloses what's behind closed doors, whereas Moyes can always use "family/personal" reason. Ho many times have you seen some public figure/ in high brow position stating the real reason for resigning? Never! Usually they say it's for personal reasons/family.
 
I just read an article on the Guardian website and realized the book with set pieces in Steve Round's hand was real and not a photo shop like i thought it to be..

Hope we retain the services of Chris Wood though.. DDG is looking very good this year, so obviously they have a good relationship..
 
Siorac said:
What the hell, man. Old Trafford has been singing Moyes name even quite recently, the plane was booed, he got a standing ovation at the start of the Villa game... What are you even talking about?

The squad doesn't look like it's not capable of finishing ahead of Liverpool, City or Chelsea. Moyes looks unable to get even half-decent performances out of said squad. The Glazers gave Moyes 65m to spend and sanctioned a gigantic contract for Rooney. They have been anything but tight.

Big clubs often sack their managers. Fans of said big clubs are usually far more vitriolic than ours have ever been. Yet top managers still go to top clubs.
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I guess we'll see whos right when the new manager is announced, if its Van Gaal I presume that means we couldn't get an actual top manager to leave another top club for us
 
NYSE closes in 18 minutes. Obviously we won't hear anything in 18 minutes but who else will be on here pressing F5 like a badass none the less
 
fishfingers15 said:
You are alright, but Carragher over Neville was over the top mate.
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I enjoy listening to Neville for anything bar United this season. He's as biased towards Moyes as me against Moyes, which makes (in my view) him a bit ridiculous and painful to listen. Carragher actually has been spot on many times this season and yesterday speech about United looked passionate and looked like he isn't going around the problem but is going on the center of it. Compare it to the first few months when I actually couldn't even understand what he was saying. Also, from all the scouser pundits, I think that he has been ny far the best one this season.
 
rcoobc said:
Moyes absolutely has the character to manage this club in my opinion (which will get me castrated). Sometimes, things just don't work out.
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I disagree. I think if you held interviews with Moyes, Martinez, Mourinho and Rodgers (assuming all of them would go for that) and asked them about their plans for the club and how they would implement their vision, Moyes would stick out like a sore thumb.
 
Ixion said:
I won't miss those retrospectively shitting on Sir Alex and insisting he would have the club down in 7th and be performing as well as Moyes this season.
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It was only like 0.1% who thought that on the caf wasn't it (from the frontpage poll)

It is very interesting to think where we would have come. I thought we'd finish behind City and Chelsea, which would have us 4 that the moment. But Arsenal could yet finish in the top 3 (they will win their last 3 games) and Chelsea could fail to get 4.5 points (Liverpool A, Norwich H, Cardiff A)
 
iSparky said:
NYSE closes in 18 minutes. Obviously we won't hear anything in 18 minutes but who else will be on here pressing F5 like a badass none the less
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I reckon it'll be announced in the morning. This is eerily similar to the night the Ferguson retirement rumours leaked.
 
kotha said:
I just read an article on the Guardian website and realized the book with set pieces in Steve Round's hand was real and not a photo shop like i thought it to be..

Hope we retain the services of Chris Wood though.. DDG is looking very good this year, so obviously they have a good relationship..
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You'd hope that the club would maybe consult the player on that or is that a bit much of a stretch?
 
Woodzy said:
Our fans have been a lot more patient than any other of the fans of top teams in this country would be.
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If anything, managers will note how much time we gave Moyes despite being clearly out of his depth for months now. He wouldn't have survived January at either Bayern, Real or Barcelona. Abramovich would have fired him after the consecutive home losses against Everton and Newcastle, probably.

Potential managers will know that a top 3 finish will almost be enough to be considered a success now.
 
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