Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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The match going fans have been fantastic this season. I doubt potential managers are going to be reading what fans have been saying on Twitter and sites like this.
 
Will Absolute said:
It's a common figure of speech, and hardly to be taken literally. In this context it simply means that Moyes is damaging the club from within.
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It is absolute fecking bullshit, Will. There are no excuses other than laziness, as it seems quite simple for you to post that Moyes is damaging the club from within now that you have been called to task, or a sad pathetic attempt at being acerbically witty, which it isn't.

Either way you fail and are on my list. Enjoy.
 
Theon said:
Get real, Gaz is a much better pundit than Carragher.

You just agree with Carragher's views.
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pocco said:
No, he just says what you want to hear.
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I know, I know :D However, I think that Carragher is way more unbiased than Gary. I am also not sure that Gary is giving his opinion or he is doing what a good fan is supposed to do. But his views have been ridiculous to me, pretty much acting like Moyes' speaker for the majority of the season, trying to give the impression that everyone is against moyes when actually the fans and the media have been with him until recently and trying to shift all the blame to the players
 
The thing is, even among those of us who advocated time, he had very few people who believed he was going to be a success. Plenty that, like myself, believed that he (or whoever) deserved a proper chance to make himself a success, but precious few who actually said that he was the guy for us, without any doubt. So the tipping point was a lot closer than, say, if we'd gotten Mourinho. I always felt that I'd want him to be given time until I was close to certain he wouldn't be a success. I reached that point a few weeks back, based mostly on the same reservations as I had before we hired him, albeit crystallised by a season of the worst football we've played in decades, with no sign of improvement or fight. He's clearly a good, honourable man who desperately wants to be successful and, sadly for him it looks pretty unlikely to happen (and will likely preclude him from ever getting a top job again).
 
rcoobc said:
The better question is, why should Sir Alex and Sir Bobby receive so much criticism for one bad choice.

Christ sake, some people have rewrote history to the point that David Moyes is Big Time Charlie lower league manager. I can't go through the merits of him again, but he may go down as the "right man" at the "wrong time".

So Sir Alex and Sir Bobby chose a proven Premier League manager to lead the club for the next decade...
So the players never took to him and nerves got the better of the players and the club plummeted...
and so the club had to dispense of him, and try again...

So what? One bad year. They gave David Moyes a try, it didn't work out, so what.


The only things I am sad of are the coaches that lost their jobs and the players that have chosen to leave, that may not of. No Champions League next year is sad, but the club goes on.
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That's not the same as not getting flak at all. Moyes had disaster written all over him from day one, the sad thing was the lack of due process that didn't weed that out.
 
bishblaize said:
Agreed. In this case I dont think the term implies that having moyes as a manager is like having cancer, or its wishing cancer on someone, or any similar hateful term.
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It is highly insensitive and about the worst similie or metaphor one could devise if they had even the most remote inkling of the effects of actual cancer.
 
Revan said:
I know, I know :D However, I think that Carragher is way more unbiased than Gary. I am also not sure that Gary is giving his opinion or he is doing what a good fan is supposed to do. But his views have been ridiculous to me, pretty much acting like Moyes' speaker for the majority of the season, trying to give the impression that everyone is against moyes when actually the fans and the media have been with him until recently and trying to shift all the blame to the players
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Biased in what way? Towards United or Against?
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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I'm pretty sure the general feeling around the football world has been "what the hell United are doing not sacking him already?" for the past 4 months.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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Well thank god that fans of every other big club support their managers when their teams are languishing in seventh and their football is several shades of shit. You know, the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Chelsea, Milan...

These managers will find solace in that and look for the better clubs as opposed to ours.
 
NinjaFletch said:
That's not the same as not getting flak at all. Moyes had disaster written all over him from day one, the sad thing was the lack of due process that didn't weed that out.
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Why did he? What warning signs should we have seen upon his arrival?
 
All I'm saynig about the fans is, I'm pretty sure a lot of managers would have a look at say 'a huge amount of fans turned against him after 4-5 games of the season, maybe i will stay at this club where i'm adored' not to mention also in the champions league ...
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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Or look at it this way. We're a team with only the league to focus on making a title challenge much more achievable, with numerous world class players, with a £150M transfer pot, with fans who vociferously supported the last guy despite finishing 7th, following on from the worst manager in our history, to be the second or third highest manager in the world at one of the biggest clubs in the world where, if you succeed, you'll become a legend and world famous.

Unattractive proposition?
 
In the end, it is always about the players. And for a long time now the jungle drums have been sounding, telling us Manchester United’s stars simply weren’t having David Moyes.

You can groan until the cows come home about the evils of ‘player power’, but the realities of top-end Premier League football is that a successful boss must cunningly man-manage twenty-odd PLCs, with their own egos and multi-million pound annual turnovers.

Sir Alex Ferguson came to understand this, but fellow Scot Moyes never could.

United’s players were aware of their manager’s imminent departure before Sunday’s defeat at Everton. But while that pitiful performance had no bearing on Moyes’ demise, it was indicative of everything which caused it.

Gone was the buccaneering spirit and breakneck attacking of Ferguson’s teams. The difference in the pace of play and speed of thought between the sides was so startling, it appeared that Moyes was playing a 45rpm record at 33rpm.

And this against an Everton side which Moyes had the nous to assemble, but never the nerve to unleash.

It was a humiliating afternoon in this age of instant ridicule.

A stooge from a publicity-hungry bookmaker was dressed as a Grim Reaper near the visitors’ dugout, waving an inflatable scythe at Moyes.

A decent, hard-working man deserved better. But perhaps he never deserved to be manager of Manchester United. And perhaps he always feared as much, deep inside.

Before the final whistle at Goodison, Twitter users were sniggering at an image of Moyes and assistant Steve Round perusing a dossier on set-pieces, while Roberto Martinez’s devil-may-care side were putting their team through the shredder - playing like Fergie Boys, as United’s fans always urged Moyes to do.

But that photo of Moyes and Round was telling, especially as the manager’s decision to sweep away Ferguson’s backroom staff and appoint his own men was unpopular among players.


And the dressing-room whispers said that these champions were unimpressed at having to pore over DVDs of opposition teams and by being over-burdened with information when they felt fully able to think on their feet.

To develop the terrace chant from the Ferguson glory days, their attitude is ‘We’re Man United, we play how we want’.

They wondered how they could romp to the title one season and be seventh the next. They noted that the playing squad had been moderately enhanced and only the coaching staff significantly altered.

Moyes’s schoolmasterly man-management was also increasingly unpopular.

There had, for example, been talk of an extremely lengthy explanation delivered by the Scot to his players about next season’s club blazer and tie.

And when Ashley Young, Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley were ordered to train apart with the fitness coach and the reserves, as punishment for a drinking session when they had three days off and were not due to play for 10 days, team-mates were, rightly or wrongly, shocked by the severity.

Welbeck’s desire for a move soon became public.

Since player-coach Ryan Giggs was rumoured to be distancing himself from Moyes, the writing had been on the wall. The epitome of the Ferguson old guard had, in his understated way, turned against the new regime.

Holland boss Louis van Gaal – a potential successor to Moyes – suggested Robin van Persie was unhappy at United.

And would captain Nemanja Vidic have handed in his notice and agreed a summer move to Inter Milan had he been inspired by his United manager?

Wayne Rooney was perhaps an exception to the dissenters. Despite a previous legal dispute, Moyes kept him out of Chelsea’s clutches and engineered a vast new contract.

Had Ferguson not retired, though, Rooney was going the way of David Beckham, Ruud Van Nistelrooy and Roy Keane – in one of those mafia-style hits from the Knight of the Living Dread. Gone before any mere mortal had suspected their best days were over.

Moyes took the opposite view to Ferguson – which usually puts any football man in the wrong.

And while Rooney’s strike-rate remains decent, he has not scored a single significant goal against a major club this season – merely a late consolation in the 4-1 drubbing at Manchester City.

Much sentimental guff has been written that United were a club apart, willing to show loyalty to any manager simply because they had once afforded loyalty to the greatest of them all.

They were certainly more loyal than most. Had Moyes endured the same results at Chelsea, he’d have been gone in half this time.

But it is odd that so many seasoned observers seemed to mistake the Glazer family for the Brady Bunch.

They obviously hadn’t been listening to the dressing-room whispers.

Or perhaps they underestimated the power of elite modern players.



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Feeky Magee said:
Andy Mitten was on Newstalk tonight saying the Everton defeat sealed his fate and that if they had won and finished the season well, he may have been given time.

@Randall Flagg @CassiusClaymore
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I don't believe for a moment that the Everton game was his deciding game. Winning the game wouldn't have meant anything in the grand scheme of things. It will have been on their minds for quite some time. He probably would have gone earlier if we had gone out to olympiakos, but either way it was a matter of time.

The most likely reason now is they waited until CL qualification was impossible.

Either way I can't have respect for a so called supporter who wants to see utd lose games.
 
RustyS said:
Well thank god the fans of every other big club support their managers when their teams are languishing in seventh and their football is several shades of shit. You know, the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Chelsea, Milan...

These managers will find solace in that and look for the better clubs as opposed to ours.
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would be a decent post if majority of fans hadn't turned against him before a ball was kicked, with most of the rest turned on him by october. a man called him a cancer a minute ago
 
RustyS said:
Well thank god the fans of every other big club support their managers when their teams are languishing in seventh and their football is several shades of shit. You know, the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Chelsea, Milan...

These managers will find solace in that and look for the better clubs as opposed to ours.
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Don't you dare criticise our fans; they have been fantastic this season and have done the club proud... they've been a highlight of the season. Unless you mean some of the posters on here, who I agree are an embarrassment.
 
Will Absolute said:
It's a common figure of speech, and hardly to be taken literally. In this context it simply means that Moyes is damaging the club from within.
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bishblaize said:
Agreed. In this case I dont think the term implies that having moyes as a manager is like having cancer, or its wishing cancer on someone, or any similar hateful term.
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Cheesy said:
I don't think they meant harm, but it's one of those analogies that's still bad in whatever context you put it in and is better off just not used at all.
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Dont like doing this, but just to calm things down before arguments start as a sufferer of said disease i wasn't offended by the post, i get what the poster was saying.

Having said that Ive often felt those worst affected by the said disease are people like @SCM as they sometimes have to deal with it longer than the patients, so just be careful, best avoid the word i gues.

Anyway, lets move on.

lets also move on from Neville this is supposed to be a happy thread! lets enjoy the excitememnt about whats to come, its like the day before we signed mata and RVP!
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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Bollocks. The fans have done right by the club in driving this charlatan out. If it was left to fans like you we'd have been stuck with him for years.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Thank god we didnt win then!

But in all seriousness i think the clubs refusal to comment on this is pretty damning, the only other time something like this has happened was when SAF retired and they refused to comment... we all know what happened next...
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We got David Moyes :nervous:
 
Crashoutcassius said:
All I'm saynig about the fans is, I'm pretty sure a lot of managers would have a look at say 'a huge amount of fans turned against him after 4-5 games of the season, maybe i will stay at this club where i'm adored' not to mention also in the champions league ...
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The fans in the stadium never turned on him, never booed. I highly doubt the prospective manager is going to be have a mooch on here.
 
I know there's no comparison-but for some reason I'm thinking of the 1963 coup that toppled Diem-the first South Vietnamese president. He was considered an ineffective leader, and the army ousted him in a coup that was meant to establish a more stable government. The actual outcome was a decade of unstable governments.

I guess this is what some fear-that by sacking Moyes now we've established the potential for a managerial merry-go-round.
Brophs said:
The thing is, even among those of us who advocated time, he had very few people who believed he was going to be a success. Plenty that, like myself, believed that he (or whoever) deserved a proper chance to make himself a success, but precious few who actually said that he was the guy for us, without any doubt. So the tipping point was a lot closer than, say, if we'd gotten Mourinho. I always felt that I'd want him to be given time until I was close to certain he wouldn't be a success. I reached that point a few weeks back, based mostly on the same reservations as I had before we hired him, albeit crystallised by a season of the worst football we've played in decades, with no sign of improvement or fight. He's clearly a good, honourable man who desperately wants to be successful and, sadly for him it looks pretty unlikely to happen (and will likely preclude him from ever getting a top job again).
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Oscar Wilde: When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers. Have thought this about Moyes for some while now. As you say, he was given the opportunity of a lifetime. He may be able to play the "I wasn't given enough time" card and get another job. But-I agree that he will not be anyone's short list for a top job. But, I'm not sure, beside United, he ever was.
 
rcoobc said:
Biased in what way? Towards United or Against?
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Biased towards Moyes (probably because of his brother). He didn't even try to make an equilibrium that the blame should be shared between Moyes and the players, until recently he acted like Moyes is the best thing to have happened to United this season. Which is far away from the truth.

If he had only tried to blame collectively all the players and Moyes (and his staff) it would have been probably ok, but he acted like players are shit and don't give a shit, while Moyes is a brilliant manager which is fighting against the world.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
would be a decent post if majority of fans hadn't turned against him before a ball was kicked, with most of the rest turned on him by october. a man called him a cancer a minute ago
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And that wouldn't ever ever happen at other top clubs right? It is only Manchester United fans who are like this?

Silent_Running said:
Don't you dare criticise our fans; they have been fantastic this season and have done the club proud... they've been a highlight of the season.
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Silent_Running, it was a sarcastic response to Crashoutcassius. No other set of fans would've given him this much support.
 
Cina said:
Whut?
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Exactly my reaction. The only sane thing about this season has been the fans' reaction at the grounds. They can be totally proud of the way they have handled this season.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
It is highly insensitive and about the worst similie or metaphor one could devise if they had even the most remote inkling of the effects of actual cancer.
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Well said, as I said earlier in here lost 2 family members to cancer this year and if it hadn't been 4 weeks since i lost my partner :( I would have been banned for not holding back on my reply to the original post.
 
rcoobc said:
Why did he? What warning signs should we have seen upon his arrival?
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Before his arrival they should have seen that he simply did not have the character to manage this club, if there had been any due process, interviews, evaluation it might have been spotted but instead Ferguson drove his car round to his house and told him he was the new manager.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I think how much the fans have acted like brats this year will put off a huge amount of managers, also no CL football and a squad looking like it's not capable of finishing ahead of liverpool/chelsea/city next season. I see what you're saying and there is opportunity there, but with how tight the glazers usually are, how harsh the fans have been from the first few games this season and with how poor a lot of the team have been this season, I can't imagine why someone would leave a good situation to come here and risk smashing their reputation.
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:lol:

Yet you thought world class players would still want to join us in the Summer under Moyes...
 


Well Mr Pep had done it
Bayern Munich had won it
With Arjen Robben diving all the while
Moyes' tragic season made us smile
While Messi's hamstrings laid out on the bar room tile
We're talking refball
No quadruple for Aguero
Talking refball
For Ancelloti and Ronaldo
Cavani's grotesquely swollen jaw
Barca and their run in with the law
We're talking Neeeymar, Costa and Ibra
 
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