I cant belive this but every time i realize he no longer the manager of this club brings a smile on my face.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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I have had a smile on my face ever since the newspapers broke the news. I look like Jack Nicholson's Joker.
Moyes and our bad season is not blamming him, it's just stating the obvious
If we compared his treatment from the Media and the treatment FSW got when he managed Inter. I think Moyes really got almost a carte Blanche
Even on his last match, there's not many slagging the obvious
Even on his last match, there's not many slagging the obvious
Rene seems to have made a habit of sprouting shite since leaving United. Comes across as a know-it all arrogant prick.
To be fair, the bitterness of being sacked by someone so clueless as Moyes can do that to anyone
Imagine yourself in his shoes, and you'd rightly being undermined (sacked politely by being offered a demotion)
Thats because he is doesn't mean hes not right on this occasion though about Moyes changing too much too soon.
To be fair, he does say that Moyes is entitled to bringing in his methods. It's just that he felt that his methods were incompatible with United's set up.
It again boils down to the bad decision the club made by selecting him in the first place. Moyes took his appointment as an endorsement of his brand of football and style of management and wanted to continue doing things that put him on a trajectory which led him to get the biggest job in England.
Not too shabby if true.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...vid-moyes-sacked-ex-manchester-united-7031156
Story about our players egos, saying he was too abrasive and they couldn't take it. Aye being managed by a straight-talking gruff Scotsman must have been a hell of a culture shock for the players.
Story about our players egos, saying he was too abrasive and they couldn't take it. Aye being managed by a straight-talking gruff Scotsman must have been a hell of a culture shock for the players.
I can't disrespect Moyes for that really. That's what almost anyone would do, Zola obviously being a very rare exception. I am sure Zola is a far richer man than Moyes and could more easily afford to give up a pay off, but let's face it, in any other industry, people at all levels of the organisational hierarchy would not refuse a pay off in 99.9% of cases.
He's Dutch. Lots of them sound like that. In the world of corporate business, living in Europe, I could easily level the same accusation at the English and Americans though.
It is a weird feeling isnt it.
"Thats why some clubs pick some managers"
I will bever forget him saying that. At that moment he really felt untouchable.
Many of us feel the same man. I've been gradually losing all respect for the man. There's been far too many stories coming out all season (for quite alot of it not to be true) about his arrogance, shit training sessions & alienating the likes of Giggsy etc..
It must have a nightmare coming into training & havin to endure the same old boring & depreciation of skill sessions!
why the feck would moyes/the lma blast the club for waiting until united finished outside the top four to sack moyes and not have to pay him lots of compensation due to clauses in his contact? it makes sense on every level or do they both think we live in a world where "sorry, dave, you've been shit and failed to hit any reasonable target we set you, here is 25m quid for your troubles" transpires? he took the job and was shit, move along.
The only thing that makes me feel slightly sorry for him is this story - that I have no doubt isn't true at all - about him reading a book entitled "good to great" . I mean, that's so incredibly self-defeating and pathetic... you can't help but pity the man.
Other then that, I just think he was completely rubbish at his job - in almost every single way.
Other then that, I just think he was completely rubbish at his job - in almost every single way.
Now that he's not our manager, I really pity him, and I really wish him well and come back stronger.
The fact that we can actually be excited for next season under a manager that will hopefully know what he's doing also helps. Going into next season with Moyes still at the helm would have depressed me deeply.
He's a gentlemen you know, he refused to use the release clause on Fellaini and pay them 4M extra
Has anyone considered what kind of a strain this will have on Lauren and Wilfred's budding romance?
Ultimately, United was just a step to far for him. If he goes away, learns from this experience and gets back in to management either with a mid-table Premier league team or even abroad, actually start to win trophies and get some credentials to his name other than able to consistently keep a team at the same position every season without spending shed-loads on players.
Easier said than done and, from what I've read, he's quite a stubborn guy and didn't listen to the advice given to him at the start of his tenure in regards to keeping backroom staff, changes to youth setup etc. Disregarding that advice and not learning from his mistakes over the course of the season cost him his job. If he really wants to have a chance at managing a top side again, he's going to have to look at himself first and take some advice rather than ignore it.
Easier said than done and, from what I've read, he's quite a stubborn guy and didn't listen to the advice given to him at the start of his tenure in regards to keeping backroom staff, changes to youth setup etc. Disregarding that advice and not learning from his mistakes over the course of the season cost him his job. If he really wants to have a chance at managing a top side again, he's going to have to look at himself first and take some advice rather than ignore it.
An interesting quote from The Guardian:
"...here's what René Meulensteen, one of the coaches who left after David Moyes took over at Old Trafford, has had to say for himself on the past week's saga:
Meulensteen described it as "too crazy for words" that Moyes had left United seventh in the Premier League, 23 points off the top, and blamed it on Ferguson's successor trying to make too many changes too quickly. "You have to look at Manchester United and the job that David Moyes took on," he said. "United were a very successful team, with many successful years behind them. The strategies in place worked. But David ignored the advice that was given to him by many of the staff in place at the time.
"He opted to put his own plans in place, which he was perfectly entitled to do, but I think it backfired on him. I always strongly believe the performances and the results are a reflection of what is actually happening behind the door and that wasn't good enough, as simple as that.
"Don't forget David was a respected manager in the Premier League who worked for 11 years at Everton in a very good way. But I did warn him: 'Do you realise, after everything at Everton, you're going from a yacht to a cruise liner? That's how big the difference will be.' It's not just necessarily the work on the pitch. It's everything that surrounds Manchester United, the players, the performances, the pressure, the style, the identity. And I think he underestimated that. It's always easy in hindsight but unfortunately it's cost him his position."
http://www.theguardian.com/football...erence-manchester-united-interim-manager-live
I think you misunderstood. By "You are basically saying" I meant "inferring". You didn't want them to qualify for the champions league therefore you would sooner United give up that pursuit than get it, that is your Manchester United but it is not mine. I wanted top four, I wanted them to be in the champions league.
You watched Everton willing them on to smash United to smithereens.
Ryan Giggs certainly isn't a favourite for the permanent managers job however we cannot predict the future and should the players warm to him and he win all his games convincingly with excellent performances then it is not impossible (although very unlikely) he somehow ends up as permanent manager.
Assuming you don't want Ryan Giggs to be the permanent manager, in order to stay true to your logic, you will be hoping he loses at least one of his games.
And if you don't like the new manager, you will also be supporting the opposition so he gets sacked. Rinse and repeat until you get a manager that you like.
I don't think anyones denying that he wasn't entitled to bring his own methods, but anyone with sense would or should have realized when you are taking over a highly successful team and you yourself have won nothing that any changes you make should be small and gradual, otherwise you would come up against the attitude of who is he, what has he won to make so many changes, what does he know coming from everton etc. etc., seemingly he did encounter this attitude and rubbed people the wrong way at almost every level of the club with his drastic changes, but he looks to have misjudged the situation completely almost from day one.
Now this could be forgiven under the thinking of as you say in getting the job maybe he thought it justified his methods, but he reportedly ignored the advice he received from almost everyone connected to the club from day one, Saf is reported to have advised him to keep some of the coaches and was upset when he was ignored, as stated in the article with mulensteen he also ignored his advice, apparently giggs suggestions were regularly ignored during the course of the season it was noticeable that he was more and more distant on the bench, with ryan becoming disillusioned and questioning why he was appointed to the coaching staff if his opinions and advice were not welcome.
Hell even a week before he got sacked the story is giggs tried to counsel him to not punish Welbeck, cleverley and young so harshly because he knew it wouldn't go down well with the squad and what little trust they had left in Moyes would disappear.
At some point when results were going badly and we were dropping down the table like a stone you would hope he would have done a little soul searching and asked himself were his methods maybe not working as well as he had hoped with this set of players or seek advice from those familiar with the club about how he could adapt his methods to the team to get better results. From the outside it looks like as the season went on and things went bad he didn't do any of this, he became more stubborn and blamed everyone else for the teams failures.
Well thats your own opinion and you are of course entitled to it, but for me if someone takes a job and at some point realizes they are not up to that job they should be a man and hold their hands up and admit it. If he stayed in the job knowing he was not going to turn it around and was likely to get sacked at some point just to get a pay off then sorry thats wrong. I would always respect someone who is honest in these situations, especially when they are in a position where their job can effect the jobs and futures of others.
Zola richer than Moyes? Probably but what does that have to do with anything, Moyes has been a manager in the premier league with everton for 11 years earning £1-3 million a year, we paid him £5 million in the year he has been here so even if he had left without a pay off i doubt he would have had to go down the job centre and sign on. So its not like he needed a pay off to survive, he will most likely be back in work at another club soon enough anyway on a handsome salary as well no doubt.
I don't disagree with the moral stance you hold, in fact I staunchly subscribe to it. It's just not real world.
Re Zola vs Moyes bank accounts, I would imagine Zola has higher career earnings than Moyes and as a result might find the decision to not chase a pay off easier to make than Moyes might.
It's all hypothetical I know. Fact is, Moyes isn't totally wrong to feel he warranted more time given his 6 year contract even if I/we all thought otherwise. For that reason alone he's entitled to his contractually agreed pay off.
Re Zola vs Moyes bank accounts, I would imagine Zola has higher career earnings than Moyes and as a result might find the decision to not chase a pay off easier to make than Moyes might.
It's all hypothetical I know. Fact is, Moyes isn't totally wrong to feel he warranted more time given his 6 year contract even if I/we all thought otherwise. For that reason alone he's entitled to his contractually agreed pay off.
Despite what's gone on this season and it has now turned out that the Glazers didn't think he was the right man for the job, I would like to wish David Moyes a happy birthday and future success in his football management career.
Besides, one of the goals for him probably was the Champions League spot. So if they had sacked him before that was lost he would have had more substance in saying he wasn't given enough time etc.
But in the article I read there were no quotes so this is probably quite made up. It would be a stupid comment otherwise, because he didn't take the job for the money?
Kind of get the feeling that the continued discussion about Moyes is like the Japanese soldiers that would come out of the jungle 20 years after then end of WWII and think the war's still on.
It's over. Let's move on already.
It's over. Let's move on already.
Have to ask,
I've two mates who still think Moyes should be there and 110% blame the players..... Is there a single person on here who thinks like them still?
Can't believe what they're saying tbh... just lost all respect for them really when it comes to football matters at this stage!!
I've two mates who still think Moyes should be there and 110% blame the players..... Is there a single person on here who thinks like them still?
Can't believe what they're saying tbh... just lost all respect for them really when it comes to football matters at this stage!!
Have to ask,
I've two mates who still think Moyes should be there and 110% blame the players..... Is there a single person on here who thinks like them still?
Can't believe what they're saying tbh... just lost all respect for them really when it comes to football matters at this stage!!
Some of our fans say a lot of very silly things, you only have to listen to the phone in shows to realise that. Being a bit more realistic now he's been sacked though. I wonder whether callers were censored, depending on the media view of Moyes at the time? hmmm
For the life of me I just can't see how anyone can still say he should of been given more time... Unless your either a)WUM or B) Rival fan!!
Dave's friend isn't happy
No doubt mate if Moyes genuinely did think he could turn this round and be a success then fair enough you couldn't fault the man for not resigning, my point was more along the lines of if he knew he was failing and wasn't going to turn it around in that scenario for me its wrong to drag it out just for a pay off.
And of course you are right in the real world people will and do knowingly stay in jobs they know they have no position being in for financial reward.
I have seen it first hand, im an electrician so obviously in my experience no ones holding out for a £5m pay off lol. But i have seen a few lads over the years who were either apprentices who said they were full electricians or guys who did one of these 3 month courses they advertise then came on site with no real experience. In most of these cases they do the same thing try to drag it out, and fair enough they might actually need the money to pay the bills unlike a premier league football manager. But it almost always ends up with them getting the sack.
But there have been a few who were honest and held their hands up when they realized they were not able to do the job they were being paid for, and i respect that type of honesty.
Have to ask,
I've two mates who still think Moyes should be there and 110% blame the players..... Is there a single person on here who thinks like them still?
Can't believe what they're saying tbh... just lost all respect for them really when it comes to football matters at this stage!!
I know some like that though they're not United fans. They're saying it in a serious manner. I was arguing with 3 mates, none of them taking the piss but they argued that our squad is the 7th best in the league. They genuinely believed it too.
You're not wrong mate but this place could have been renamed Moyescafe over the last few months since there were so many threads dedicated to the man, and the ones that weren't invariably ended up discussing him anyway.
So i would imagine the Moyes debate will rumble on for a few weeks yet until the transfer window opens and we can all unleash our inner Muppets.
£150 million
aye they believe that to an extent too... Saying players aren't good enough and they just didn't try for Moyes...I agreed on that part alright, but do I blame them? hell no! Any number of factors add to them not trying for him... everything always comes back to the fact Moyes is still the one to blame here mostly!
What the hell is Michael Finnigan on about? Revenge? Really?
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