Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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Anybody getting sick and tired of the media sympathizing with Moyes? They are making it look like United committed a crime.
They're gutted that we fecked him off, they've been waiting over two decades for this. We'll be back next season, and they know it. I love it when they all hate us anyway.
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Getting ridiculous that some posters now seem to be prowling the forums ready to jump on anyone who has the audacity to suggest Moyes was perhaps a bit of a shit manager for us, or who in any way questions the great leaders character.
The fact you are not even really discussing Moyes doesn't even matter, you could be and you won't get away with it.
Dont worry yourself about it man - the Caf's built on disagreements / misunderstandings & thats healthy. Just take heart that you know you're right & the others are wrong
I'd been on the fench about Moyes for pretty much all season, but he eventually broke my spirit. I'd naturally tend to let sleeping dogs lie & regard Dave as a good person, but an average manager & just let it go, but the climate has changed with all the information coming out from journos, players, ex-players about how really shite he was at our beloved club.
The records broken this season is the stuff of nightmares that should never have happened. We have to move on of course, but we also have the right to know how things went horribly wrong with Moyes' tenure.
He deserves criticism for puttin the disaster in motion before he even took to the training field i.e. dismantling the backroom structure, but we shouldnt make his life a misery either, which reminds me - i need to cancel that banner plane booked for tomorrow flyin over his house!
His Daughter Lauren would get it i might add..
Makes some really good points.
This Norwich game cannot come soon enough. We have to move on from David Moyes.
I like to think this guy is actually the secret majority shareholder of MUFC and his outburst was the final nail in the coffin for Moyes
They seem to like him, but they also understand he was out of his depth for a top job like United. Its been a disaster of a season - so far..
They media cant slag us off for the leak - when they're the feckers that run with all the leaks & have huge numbers of folk on their payroll at most clubs to source their stories!
Probably alot of truth in that to be honest man..
I'd say Talksport gobshites such as Micky Quinn / Georgie Bingham & that prick Johnny Vaughan & his band of abu's on Talksport, are absolutely gutted he got sacked. I'd try to stay clear from listening to Talksport tomorrow morning - if you dont wanna have your radio / hi-fi smashed up out of irritation!
Dont worry yourself about it man - the Caf's built on disagreements / misunderstandings & thats healthy. Just take heart that you know you're right & the others are wrong
I'd been on the fench about Moyes for pretty much all season, but he eventually broke my spirit. I'd naturally tend to let sleeping dogs lie & regard Dave as a good person, but an average manager & just let it go, but the climate has changed with all the information coming out from journos, players, ex-players about how really shite he was at our beloved club.
The records broken this season is the stuff of nightmares that should never have happened. We have to move on of course, but we also have the right to know how things went horribly wrong with Moyes' tenure.
He deserves criticism for puttin the disaster in motion before he even took to the training field i.e. dismantling the backroom structure, but we shouldnt make his life a misery either, which reminds me - i need to cancel that banner plane booked for tomorrow flyin over his house!
His Daughter Lauren would get it i might add..
Same here mate i didn't want him but got behind him when he was appointed.
I was at the fulham game and it broke me, couldn't understand what the feck i was witnessing.
He does deserve some criticism no doubt, most would have moved on by now and forget about him but i actually think the ones defending him as if he solved all the problems in the middle east and cured poverty in the third world are pissing people off and making them hate the man, the defending of him as gone too far.
About Lauren no doubt, Wilifred agrees
Never heard of him..
Same here mate i didn't want him but got behind him when he was appointed.
I was at the fulham game and it broke me, couldn't understand what the feck i was witnessing.
He does deserve some criticism no doubt, most would have moved on by now and forget about him but i actually think the ones defending him as if he solved all the problems in the middle east and cured poverty in the third world are pissing people off and making them hate the man, the defending of him as gone too far.
About Lauren no doubt, Wilifred agrees
Yeah i was readin about Zaha supposedly boning Lauren, but Zaha says he's never even met the girl. He must have ended up spiking himself with Rufies aswell & cant remember a thing... either can she!
Agree completely.
Also everyone harping on about how unprofessionally we've handled it. I can't remember the last managerial sacking where there wasn't widespread rumours beforehand. It always happens and nobody moans. Why must we be the exception to the rule?
He did indeed deny it, but it was obvious from Moyes first day that Zaha was about as welcome as a fart in a space suit at United. So he must have done something to piss him off.
I think still let it go. He failed but as you said, he's a good person but an average manager. No, scrap that. He's a good manager, but one who specialises in taking clubs that are in a mess and organising them, making them hard to beat and giving them some stability. With what is going on at Everton it looks like once he has taken a team to a certain level, others may be able to come and take the club forward to another level. Or else Martinez may find he has been very lucky and it is more challenging keeping Everton at that level Moyes achieved so consistently over a long period. Either way, it won't detract from what Moyes achieved with them. He deserves credit and acknowledgement as a good manager, it's just he didn't have the particular skills required for a club like United.
There's been a bit of acrimony in the last few days but the situation is a bit heated, once things cool down a bit there is no real need for acrimony. The players didn't mean to undermine him by having no confidence in him, they just didn't. Moyes didn't mean to break all those records by not being good enough, he just wasn't. Hopefully the new guy will sort us out, a new club will come in for Moyes and everyone can move forward much happier than we were this season.
The rumour in general is far too awesome to be false, so I choose to believe it.
Maybe he's just racist like Big Ron
Thats nonsense nobodies as big a racist as big ron
Nah i doubt Moyes is a racist, otherwise he wouldn't have loved Young.
The rumours are 100% false.
I'm glad we have ITK's around like you to clear these things up.
How do you know? And if you do know they were false why did Dave hate Zaha then?
Thats nonsense nobodies as big a racist as big ron
Nah i doubt Moyes is a racist, otherwise he wouldn't have loved Young.
I remember that documentary where Big Ron attempts to cool the racism accusations & repair the damage by his Desailly racist slur. He went off with a tv crew to the States & referred to a black woman as: "your kind" - as in your people & all hell broke loose. Dug a bigger hole for himself - hilarious altogether...
Zaha requested a loan as he believed he wouldn't play under Moyes.
He probably didn't trust him over his more senior players so didn't get given games. It would hardly be the first time a player gets ostracized, particularly a young player.
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I remember that fecking hilarious, what an idiot.
Hope i don't get vilified for calling an ex-united manager an idiot, probably still people running around defending Atkinsons tenure at United too Call me cynical but i think theres a bit more to it than that.
Maybe who knows, did seem very reluctant to give him much of a chance though at a time when our wingers were struggling to create anything.
It's a bit like when Sam Allardyce went to Newcastle and trained his players to get the ball back from the opposition, and the players were exasperated and after a few weeks and asked him what to do with the ball. It's a disastrous season, but Moyes probably believed that the first two seasons, whatever comes is acceptable and his methods will show from Season 3 onwards. We just couldn't afford another year at 7th
It really feels like a dream come true, I never really thought (after giving him 6 years) that Moyes would be sacked, never mind in the summer, but during the season.
I remember that fecking hilarious, what an idiot.
Thats only a matter of time mucker - you better watch out.. whooo whooo...Dont slag off Hitler either - i got ganged up on by the Austrian United Supporters club on here just last week man..
Can't remember where I saw or or possibly I heard it somewhere on a podcast, but it was that Moyes didn't know how to treat players differently. Ferguson has spoke many times about that with some players you can get in their face and have a go and it works, it fires them up, with others you need to put an arm around them and take a softly-softly approach. Moyes couldn't do that. He wasn't worried about feelings or anything else, he wanted players to be told bluntly. The example was Jagielka at Everton, the insinuation being he never needed an arm around him.
It's only from what I've read but his man-management skills do seem a bit shit. If he can't even take on board that different players are motivated in different ways it explains his tactical rigidity.
It's only from what I've read but his man-management skills do seem a bit shit. If he can't even take on board that different players are motivated in different ways it explains his tactical rigidity.
I don't know if anyone has seen the 'Moyes would not pander to the big stars' article in the MEN this evening.
It features quotes from a 'close associate' of Moyes and paints a humorous picture.
'Moyes is aggressive on a benign day'
'He is a very assertive character, if he thinks you are not performing he doesn't hide it'
'At Everton he had strong characters. Phil Jagielka didn't need an arm around the shoulder'
'He wants people who can take a bit more criticism, if you're a bit more sensitive he doesn't care'
The source made it clear the problem was mostly with the players who knew that their time was up.
'It wasn't as if there was a problem with Januzaj or De Gea'
Looks like Moyesy was just too much of a bad man!
It features quotes from a 'close associate' of Moyes and paints a humorous picture.
'Moyes is aggressive on a benign day'
'He is a very assertive character, if he thinks you are not performing he doesn't hide it'
'At Everton he had strong characters. Phil Jagielka didn't need an arm around the shoulder'
'He wants people who can take a bit more criticism, if you're a bit more sensitive he doesn't care'
The source made it clear the problem was mostly with the players who knew that their time was up.
'It wasn't as if there was a problem with Januzaj or De Gea'
Looks like Moyesy was just too much of a bad man!
wtf! I found this image today! Look at him! Never has he looked so happy!
Moyes got millions for coming in and kicking out our coaching staff, turning us into a bunch of fannys, and pissing Giggs off. So in my opinion goodbye and do not let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
The Sports Bar with Andy Goldstein on Talksport last nite 10pm-1am?
They were discussing that big time on there!
I also heard earlier from Eamon Holmes on Talksport (who spent the day with Fergie yesterday & knows plenty of folk at the club), that Moyes treated everyone the same & was blunt as feck - havin absolutely no people skills to deal with the different personalities etc. Everyone was treated like kids was the jist of it.
Holmes also said, that Moyes didnt buy into some of the players having different training regimes to cope with previous injuries - like Vida, Rio & RVP to name but a few...
I hadn't heard that last part, that's interesting. It seems he took a "you're too good to train with the rest of the team are you?" attitude rather than accepting that for a variety of reasons, different players had different regimes.
Now I've heard that I wonder if the rift between Giggs and Moyes wasn't the whole yoga thing, I'm sure I've heard it said before Giggs rather than doing X training with the team (weights, running, whatever) he takes himself off to do a bit of yoga a couple of times a week, or whatever.
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