You mean that game when Hernandez scored a last minute equalizer (in the tie) and the whole squad went crazy?!
That can't be true. And if it's true, then there is no bigger idiot than him.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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That can't be true. And if it's true, then there is no bigger idiot than him.
Wasn't there a story doing the rounds last summer that Fergie had a deal in place for Matic but Moyes pulled the plug? Depressing!
The problem is that Moyes has a medium willing to publish the worst about us and a ready audience even within our fan base buying these planted leaks hook, line and sinker . Our reputation and that of our players has been and is being tarnished already so the club and individual players have to hit back to make sure that that prospective signings and a new manager do not think they are walking into the Crimean conflict .
He is unnecessarily playing the victim card and it would be harmless in any other circumstances but not when we are trying to sign players whilst we are managerless and out of Europe .
I dont get that "losing the dressing room" lark - there's feckin signage all over the inside of OT to say where it is for Christ sake!
Klinsmann has been on the radio giving his opinion about Moyes' dismissal.
The part I really disagree with is, when he talked about Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers (see below). He failed to see the difference between us and Liverpool in that, we have been successful for the past 2 decades, whereas Liverpool has been the opposite. A mid table team will give all the time to new managers to rebuild, and Liverpool changed manager for the exact reasons, which is to rebuild and to improve, whereas United changed manager not because we needed to improve.
The comparison is so so wrong. United changed manager because we had Sir Alex retiring, leaving a Champion team to the new manager to carry on, not for the purpose of improving (status quo would be nice, but 4th place was still acceptable given the transitioning. 7th place was just wrong and he's proven to be an unfit so wasting time and money on him would be a huge mistake).
I suppose Klinsmann was either ignorant, or that he's not being totally honest because of self interest (manager be given time etc).
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David Moyes' sacking by Manchester United is a massive disappointment... he's an outstanding coach, says Jurgen Klinsmann
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...r-United-doesnt-make-sense.html#ixzz2zpaw35VF
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Klinsmann believes that Liverpool's example in giving Brendan Rodgers more time after a disappointing first season is one United should have followed with Steven Gerrard and Co top of the league with three games remaining.
'Moyes didn't have Robin van Persie for part of the season because of injury,' Klinsmann said. 'He did the best he could do based on the squad he has. ....
'Now that reaction is really difficult to comprehend from the outside because if you just take as an example with Liverpool last year, Brendan Rodgers had a year of rebuilding the way he wanted to build it.
'It was not going well - I think they finished seventh or eight in the Premier League and now where are they? On top of the league.
'Change always demands time and time was not given to David. They questioned everything he did from the first moment on. From the outside again, in my opinion it's wrong.'
The part I really disagree with is, when he talked about Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers (see below). He failed to see the difference between us and Liverpool in that, we have been successful for the past 2 decades, whereas Liverpool has been the opposite. A mid table team will give all the time to new managers to rebuild, and Liverpool changed manager for the exact reasons, which is to rebuild and to improve, whereas United changed manager not because we needed to improve.
The comparison is so so wrong. United changed manager because we had Sir Alex retiring, leaving a Champion team to the new manager to carry on, not for the purpose of improving (status quo would be nice, but 4th place was still acceptable given the transitioning. 7th place was just wrong and he's proven to be an unfit so wasting time and money on him would be a huge mistake).
I suppose Klinsmann was either ignorant, or that he's not being totally honest because of self interest (manager be given time etc).
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David Moyes' sacking by Manchester United is a massive disappointment... he's an outstanding coach, says Jurgen Klinsmann
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...r-United-doesnt-make-sense.html#ixzz2zpaw35VF
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Klinsmann believes that Liverpool's example in giving Brendan Rodgers more time after a disappointing first season is one United should have followed with Steven Gerrard and Co top of the league with three games remaining.
'Moyes didn't have Robin van Persie for part of the season because of injury,' Klinsmann said. 'He did the best he could do based on the squad he has. ....
'Now that reaction is really difficult to comprehend from the outside because if you just take as an example with Liverpool last year, Brendan Rodgers had a year of rebuilding the way he wanted to build it.
'It was not going well - I think they finished seventh or eight in the Premier League and now where are they? On top of the league.
'Change always demands time and time was not given to David. They questioned everything he did from the first moment on. From the outside again, in my opinion it's wrong.'
It is painful to think that we could have missed out on Thiago because of dithering Dave. I honestly thought that he would of trust our scouting system when he arrived. I think his biggest problem was not trusting Ferguson's staff. I think that was by far and away his biggest mistake.
I do feel a little bit sorry for him sat there on Monday making his little presentation for the Glazer's:
Moyesy: 'I'll just make this wee presentation for ma boss, hopefully this will get me my 200m to fix this fundamentally flawed squad' 'oi Roundy, what was that font you used on those set play folders? I think the Glazer's will like that, it looked professional, you know'.
Roundy: 'Boss I just heard on the radio that you might be getting sacked'.
Moyesy (sighing): 'Och aye!'
#phone rings#
Moyesy: 'Get that would ye Roundy'.
Roundy: 'Its Woody boss, he wants you'.
Moyesy: 'Pass us the phone'.
Woody: 'Hi Davie, you have probably heard the stories, but here in front of me I have three envelopes, each containing a different fate and transfer budget, pick one, left, right or centre'.
Moyesy: 'They all say sacked don't they Woody'.
Woody: 'Aye, they do Davie..................that means no transfer budget too.........to avoid any confusion'.
Moyesy: 'If you had just given me 200m and another season I could have had us challenging for forth - I could have been a contender!'
Woody: 'I know Davie, I know'.
Yeah, but he buggered off to some desolate region of Nepal to get away from the shitebag:
"David, when i get some coverage i'll give Cesc's & Thiago's agent's another tinkle - probably be in a month or 2 though.. Roger Roger.. Out..Over..Eh"
I agree have said as much in a few other threads, no surprise that people bought into his propaganda, disappointing though that so many of our own fans swallowed it.
Klinsmann was Bayern's version of Moyes so it's not too surprising that he sympathises.
He's a genuine imbecile.
You are spot on. Just googled to check his "achievement" at Bayern. The result at the time of his sacking was a bit better than Moyes. His opinion is totally biased. But of course the media is not going to highlight this important bias behind his view
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In July 2008 Klinsmann took over as coach of Bayern Munich, succeeding Ottmar Hitzfeld.[28] Klinsmann helped design a new player development and performance center for Bayern and then launched into molding the team for the Bundesligaand UEFA Champions League campaigns. Under his guidance, Bayern reached the quarter final of the Champions League, losing to eventual champion FC Barcelona.
Bayern's record during the 2008–09 UEFA Champions League was six wins, three draws, and one loss (to Barcelona). In the Bundesliga, Bayern was only three points off first place, with five matches to play, when Klinsmann was replaced as head coach due to a difference of opinion with the club's board of directors. Bayern's record under Klinsmann during the 2008–09 Bundesliga season was 16 wins, six draws, and seven losses.[29]
Moyes - the gift that keeps on takin away...
He probably passed up on Ronnie too - "He doesnt do the defensive side of the game like Vidic does laddy..."
We all know that United put a £110m+ bid in for Bale at the last minute, but that ship had sailed. It was still mentalist money to spend on Bale anyway. £40-50m was about right then!
Lets not get started on the Cesc scenario either. Moyes & Woody are twats for that fiasco & Fabregas is a prick for stringin us along, when he had no intention of leaving. The poor thing just wanted to feel loved & wanted attention.... Wee basturd!!
TBF, managers are usually the last people who's opinion should be listened to when it comes to firing other managers. They don't like to see their coaching brethren get the ax, but they also know it could be them some day.
But yes, the Liverpool comparison is completely stupid. Klinsmann was given time with the US team after some poor early results and has become at least acceptable. He wouldn't have deserved that time had he taken over the Spanish side.
His talking about "Change takes time". Change is the problem, Jurgen. Moyes tried to drastically change a team that won the league by 11 points last year. Why the feck was he trying to change so much?
People will do anything to shield themselves from the uncomfortable truth because they had bought into the chosen one fairy tale that the Glazers were selling . It's the idea of the club moulding a rough diamond like Moyes into SAF mkll that they have been robbed off and rather than accept that the great man used a flawed line of thought they prepared to blame everything under the sun before they touch the anointed .
The stuff that has come out since Tuesday morning (particularly the stories about the players) has certainly made me wonder if some recently unemployed gentlemen have been whispering in the vicinity of some sympathetic hacks in order to deflect attention from some obvious failings.
A PR campaign in the media, with the assistance of LMA.
This new thing lately in the media about players not being professional because they didn't play hard is quite bothersome, and shows a lack of understanding of top level football. I don't think it was ever a conscious effort by players to not give their all. Instead it was that extra little effort that wasn't there. And little though that extra effort is, that's the difference at the highest levels of the game. It's such a fine, tiny margin. If you're just half a step slower to react, or just a split second hesitation on a tackle, you often miss that tackle or 50/50 ball. Add that up for several players over the course of 90 minutes and it's the difference in a game. That's not the players thinking, "Oh let's half-ass it out there". That's the players not being properly motivated.
They need to want to run through a wall for their manager. They need to be willing to sacrifice their body for the good of the team at any moment without a moment's hesitation. To do those things you need to have bought in fully to what the manager is selling. If not, you can still go out there and still have your talent, score some goals, win some games, etc. But you need that motivation to run through that wall if you want to consistently play up to your maximum possible level. When you have two teams with loads of talent, that little extra bit is so often the difference, and we have more talent than all but 2, maybe 3 teams in the Premiership. What was the one game against the Top 8 teams that we won? Arsenal. And that was the only game against the Top 8 where we really had a lot of energy for most of the game (pressing the ball, going into tackles balls out, etc.).
He and Moyes can form a support group to cry over being unfairly treated. For God sake, these managers are given insane salary and want to be given time. Time is money for Bayern and United, not so in other lesser clubs for sure. So Feck off Klinsmann
The annoying thing is the recording was played over and over on Skysports as if the media is sympathetic.
Totally agreed! Football in America is still taking baby steps, and followers are not as sophisticated as to scrutinise their international success. People like Klinsmann can always fool the American public whereas he would easily be found out in Europe.
some comments in this thread are a bit far-fetched. Like those portraying moyes as having a big influence in the media and is now using it to get a revenge on our players.
he might have journos sympathetic to him but most of the stuff the write is to sell papers - i m convinced that many of the stories we read are invented by the journos themselves. so i don t believe these conspiracies
he might have journos sympathetic to him but most of the stuff the write is to sell papers - i m convinced that many of the stories we read are invented by the journos themselves. so i don t believe these conspiracies
Journalists working at broadsheet newspapers don't "invent" stories about the clubs they seek to report. It's counter-productive. The stories are all corroborated by another journalist and it's clear as day that the majority of it all is true. Red Issue was saying all of this months ago. Andy Mitten would drip feed rumours of discontent, too. Nothing here is being invented.
so you are stating that newspapers don't invent stories.....sorry mate i have to disagree with you.
I don't know that it's really a matter of fooling the American public. There just isn't a lot to judge a manager of the USMNT on. CONCACAF doesn't tell you much. Only if you finish below anyone other than Mexico in the Gold Cup or WC qualifying, and then that will raise a flag. Other than that you're really only tested once every 4 years. Sure there are the friendlies, and while some less astute American fans get excited if we beat a decent team in a friendly, they also don't put enough stock in them to call for a manager's head if they lose friendlies to poor teams.
Its the Glazers fault - thats a new one
The Glazers backed Fergie & Fergie backed Moyes. Fergie got it so friggin wrong & the Glazers were correct to back the legend that is Fergie. The Glazers have done feck all wrong here for Christ sake. They got rid of Moyes when everyone said they wouldnt have the bottle to go against Fergie & undermine him - but they did & we rejoice at that Moyes & his useless bunch are gone aswell.
It wasnt propaganda ffs - it was Fergie's choice to choose Moyes & he demanded that we give Moyes our support. We all trusted him with his decision & we gave Moyes as much time as possible until it became clear that he couldnt be trusted to lead us.
Give it a feckin rest with your anti-Glazer shite - its totally unwarranted with this situation & its a friggin braindead mentality to spout that shite!
My Dad knows a few people involved with club and apparently Carrington has miraculously transformed into a happy, joyous and positive place. Not much of a shock.
My sister knows a keeper involved with the academy (nay idea who) but even he said that it was a depressing place.
My sister knows a keeper involved with the academy (nay idea who) but even he said that it was a depressing place.
It should be since they are in 7th place.
Based on?
Please try and answer without making your previous use of the word 'conspiracy' look hilarious.
In the case of journalists reporting on Manchester United for the quality newspapers, yes I'm saying they don't randomly invent stories. They get things wrong, they can be misinformed by a source, but Mark Ogden, James Ducker and Daniel Taylor aren't sat there in a dark room conjuring up some fiction, believe me.
just to give you one example - the number of players who supposedly we sign - Sánchez or sanchester united, we signed sneijder 10 times, garay 5 times...gaitan, hazard, benzema....the list is endless.
My biggest reason for wanting him gone. It was like a big black cloud over the whole club and everybody knew it. We can debate whether he'd be able to turn it round football wise, but things had gone so sour that he really couldn't stay any longer. He should've been binned by Feb
Um...yes they do. Sadly, the Leveson enquiry wasn't even that much of a surprise.
Where exactly is my anti Glazer shite ? All I said was that people bought into the marketing gimmick that was highlighted by the ''chosen one'', ''story continues'' punch lines to appeal to the romantics among us . They are business people, good at what they do and where in my posts here and in the newbies did you ever see any ''anti Glazer shite'' . In that post I'm stating that people are finding it hard to accept that Moyes was a spectacular failure and hence why they find it easy to believe any story designed to absolve him of any blame .Its the Glazers fault - thats a new one
The Glazers backed Fergie & Fergie backed Moyes. Fergie got it so friggin wrong & the Glazers were correct to back the legend that is Fergie. The Glazers have done feck all wrong here for Christ sake. They got rid of Moyes when everyone said they wouldnt have the bottle to go against Fergie & undermine him - but they did & we rejoice at that Moyes & his useless bunch are gone aswell.
It wasnt propaganda ffs - it was Fergie's choice to choose Moyes & he demanded that we give Moyes our support. We all trusted him with his decision & we gave Moyes as much time as possible until it became clear that he couldnt be trusted to lead us.
Give it a feckin rest with your anti-Glazer shite - its totally unwarranted with this situation & its a friggin braindead mentality to spout that shite!
Measure twice and cut once, please try to understand before jumping in making wild accusations which are completely unrelated to the topic under discussion .
I think Fergie' reported support of Moyes's dismissal especially speaks volumes. It's a whole different kettle of fish when you're a director and actually have to make a decision.
He's always been the same; ruthless and unsentimental when it's to the detriment of the club not to be
It could be that. It could also be changes made in training, tactics, etc, making the players less sure of themselves when they make a decision. Football is at its best when a team is flowing, when it's perfectly comfortable with what they are doing. I wouldn't say we've been that perfect machine in the last few years, but this season we've been as far away from that as we've been for 25 years.
They really don't. Chief reporters at broadsheet newspapers don't put their name to any old bollocks. They certainly don't create stories out of thin air. That is paranoid conspiracy. If this season has told me anything it's that there is a bizarre amount of football fans that are, apparently, privy to the inner workings of an industry they actually don't know an awful lot about.
Headlines in the Sun and other such nonsense is the tabloids is readily just that, nonsense, but that has never been my argument.
I'm happy to see it's still there. Sticking with some players like Anderson and a few aging lads, bringing in Moyes... Those things made me wonder.
Most of the managers who are under the cosh are the one's that come out & say that he needs more time etc.. So they immediately put the spotlight on their own bosses. They couldnt give a shite if the club is run into the ground - aslong as they still have a wage coming in!
Big Sam is the latest one coming out of the woodwork stating exactly that same aul spiel about Moyes. Ask any Hammer about Sam & they wont have a good word to say about him. We think our seasons been bad - Hammers fans beg to differ!
Look at the mess Di Canio was causing at Sunderland, yet he was still gettin the backin of the big Sam types & the LMA. Disgraceful in my opinion. I'm actually gettin sick of managers crappin on about whats the right thing to do, when the right thing to do is for many of them to step down & feck off. Zola is the only one i can remember in recent times that has had the integrity to step down admittin failure on his part. The rest just continue & run the club into the ground so they get a pay-off.
Its about time many of these twats joined the real world which we all live in. Football nor society owes them a living, but they're ego's think different & that they're better than us!
There is a recurring theme that Moyes was dealt a bad hand that's been consistent present from our first bad result . Such a sustained onslaught is rarely the work of journos ''making up shite''. The apologist angle and blame shifting attempts are clearly discernible in those stories .
Moyes may not have a powerful propaganda machinery like Mugabe's but he sure has a lot of media people fighting in his corner at the expense of our players .
It doesn't matter what the press/Moyes say on the sacking. Moyes' career has been ruined. His reputation forever tarnished.
When United easily defeat Norwich on Saturday, and the players have smiles on their faces and positively interact with Ryan Giggs, people will unanimously agree that Moyes was a dark cloud. All these stories about the players will disappear and nobody will care anymore. The talk will all be about the new chapter for Man United.
When United easily defeat Norwich on Saturday, and the players have smiles on their faces and positively interact with Ryan Giggs, people will unanimously agree that Moyes was a dark cloud. All these stories about the players will disappear and nobody will care anymore. The talk will all be about the new chapter for Man United.
The sack eventually happened this week is a huge relief. Although everyone is free to feel/think he deserves time, it would really have made the summer so hard to bear (no matter who we would be signing because the thought of the club would still be under his management was so dreadful). Whatever good things he had done behind the scene, there was no dispute he's aiming at just being mediocre (inferring from what he said in public). What a great relief he's gone. Sorry he maybe a good manager in lesser club, but not us. He had failed to learn to integrate into our system and culture which Sir Alex had surely has planned. What a let down
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