Yep. But that's the gamble we took, hindsight is great...and with this power it's easy to see we ought've appointed a person with more experience at the top level. As for players being cnuts, they're multi millionaires without much to lose unlike the rest of the working population. Would be great to be able to work with that much security. I feel like telling my managers that I can't be arsed... Maybe not eh....
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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Yep. But that's the gamble we took, hindsight is great...and with this power it's easy to see we ought've appointed a person with more experience at the top level. As for players being cnuts, they're multi millionaires without much to lose unlike the rest of the working population. Would be great to be able to work with that much security. I feel like telling my managers that I can't be arsed... Maybe not eh....
The problem wasn't that training sessions were tough, it's that they didn't seem to involve much in the way of footballs.
Moyes' biggest achievement is being named as Man United manager and worked for 10 months before being fired. Not many manager has this kind of CV under their belt.
The last 10 months can hardly be described as an achievement. It's been the exact opposite. As for being appointed the manager of Manchester United being an achievement in most instances I would agree with this but I think we all realise that Moyes was given the job largely because of his relationship with SAF, therefore he got the job by default.
Still, it depends how you perceive your manager, you'd jump off the balcony if mourinho or pep asked you to, but moyes like i said was just an easy target for the players, why are some surprised about his philosophy, was he anything different with everton? what did the club expect him to do really?
It was the wrong choice from day 1, the club should have realised that a lot of our players (being top players) are arrogant and spoilt and it all worked under Sir Alex because he commanded respect. Hence we should have appointed a manager that commanded respect last summer.
That's the problem, a lot of people worried about exactly this happening. Did you ever entertain ideas that Moyes was the guy before he got the job? First thing I said to a mate when Fergie retired was "if it's Moyes I'm finding the nearest bridge". I managed to convince myself it might work out after it became official, through an appeal to Fergie's authority primarily, but that's not a stable foundation for anything. Of course the manager coming after Fergie would need a personality that the players would respond to - Mourinho would've had that and Moyes most certainly didn't. I don't blame Moyes for it, and I don't blame the players for not being able to work to their best under him. It was a deeply flawed appointment, I think most can agree on that.
I dare you!
I've learnt my lesson. These days I'm relatively well behaved. So... No chance!
Pretty late i know (this thread moves fast!) but i have to agree, i genuinely feel bad for the guy if that bit about the book is true.Felt a genuine pang of pity as soon as I got to the bit about him reading the self help book. Poor bastard was trying everything, he was just so far out of his depth. That's genuinely quite sad considering how desperate he must have been to make things work. Meanwhile, the players are being pricks.
First time today I've actually been grimmed out.
Just shows how cut throat football is and filled with these alpha type characters who when they spell blood they go for the neck. Which makes you think someone like Van Gaal would either piss everyone off or get their respect fast
Yeah, you can't see VG, Ancelotti or Simeone taking that kind of thing. Whoever we hire is going to be a very different prospect for the players.
Yep no doubt and they need a strong character it seems, can't say i agree with everything that they have reportedly been up to with Moyes. But having worked under a domineering figure like SAF discipline and respect problems were bound to happen when he was replaced by a nice but meek chap like Moyes.
Hopefully Van Gaal or whoever comes in and gives a few a boot up the arse and restores order quickly.
i guess this guy's tattoo wasnt in vain then, he even rubber stamped it himself
You are insane
I'd rather be insane than want Everton to smash United to pieces. And then call myself a United fan.
Will be good to see now with Giggs wanting to play more attacking and telling Clevs he can actually move into attacking positions instead of having to sit back alongside Carrick will we see the old Clevs who showed promise rather than the shackled one under Moyes? Hope so and if we do he definitely deserves another chance.
Also heard Giggs is a bit critical of Mata and is thinking of dropping him for the game
Also heard Giggs is a bit critical of Mata and is thinking of dropping him for the game
I've read 2 or 3 sources saying stuff along the lines of Moyes was likely to go in the summer, but not certain, and the Everton result sealed it. If that's true then wanting us to win would mean placing short-term slight gain over long-term damaging pain. Before the Everton match I was not 100% sure Moyes would be sacked. I believed with an Everton win this would be more likely. And I also believed a new manager (obviously depending on who it is) would be worth several more wins than Moyes next season. Therefore I chose the option of wishing for one relatively meaningless loss in order to guarantee more wins next season, wins that will matter a lot more than one over Everton would have.
It's a perfectly acceptable and valid opinion to have but it's kind of funny when you really think about it, applying the logic of short-term loss for the long-term gain to a sports based wish. I mean you could wish that we'd beat Everton and Moyes would be sacked, whilst still having no bearing on the outcome.
I just read the statement. Proud of the quarter finals of the UCL.
Just proves that he was way too small time for us.
Just proves that he was way too small time for us.
Sure, my actual wish has no bearing on the outcome, but that doesn't mean the effect still isn't there, and I couldn't ignore that.
It's the same kind of logic behind fans of American teams wanting their side to lose games late in the year, after they've fallen out of contention, so they get a higher draft pick.
I found that funny too. He listed his achievements as:I just read the statement. Proud of the quarter finals of the UCL.
Just proves that he was way too small time for us.
1. Being chosen as Manchester United manager
2. Reaching the QF's of the Champions League
Sums him up.
I'm not having a go, we all have those thoughts, I just think it's one of those aspects of being human that is quite amusing when you actually think about it.
We were still in the race for top four, however unlikely it might have been, you would rather United go against their mentality of winning and great comebacks just so you could watch Everton smash them.
The chance for top four might have been 0.000001% however it could have happened, just like how in the dying seconds of a game we must continue to try and score, when top four is possible we must try and win. You were willing the team to lose.
I am actually shocked he didn't mention his Community Shield trophy in his statement!
I value increasing the chance of 10+ more wins next season over the 0.000001% chance of qualifying for the Champions League. There's also an argument to be made that somehow squeaking into the Champions League would have been bad for the long-term future of the club as it would have probably meant Moyes being in charge of the rebuild.
You basically are saying you value United as quitters and giving up in pursuit of victory. This isn't the character I think the club should possess, however somebody who wants the opposition to smash United might infer such a point.
For somebody who dislikes Moyes, you sound an awful lot like him.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I typed the words "I value United as quitters and think they should give up in pursuit of victory" and then I hit the post reply button.
You value United as quitters and think they should give up in pursuit of victory? That's outrageous.
i guess this guy's tattoo wasnt in vain then, he even rubber stamped it himself
Nice tat, @Feeky Magee
The more i think about it the more i want LVG as the new manager. The total opposite from moyes and a real character as well, let him stay the ship for 2 or 3 seasons.
I love quitting. Quitting is my life. I wish they renamed the club Quitchester Quitnited.
That is a picture of me. That is my tattoo.
OMG, is there really 10 more pages of this? We have an incompetent board (Sir Alex, Sir Bobby, etc) selecting a clueless, incompetent manager for the club -- who then adds to the mess by bringing in his coterie of clueless assistants.
And people keep trying to blame the players who had to work for these dweebs day in and day out, and whose careers have been possibly ruined by the bad decisions that they made. RVP -- coming to his last years as a professional. Ditto Rio, Vidic, Evra, maybe Carrick. And who did they get from the club as a selection for a manager? Sir Alex's buddy. No experience. No style. No management skills. No tactical ability. NO CAPABILITY TO ASK FOR HELP WHEN HE SCREWED UP.
OMG, is there really 10 more pages of this? We have an incompetent board (Sir Alex, Sir Bobby, etc) selecting a clueless, incompetent manager for the club -- who then adds to the mess by bringing in his coterie of clueless assistants.
And people keep trying to blame the players who had to work for these dweebs day in and day out, and whose careers have been possibly ruined by the bad decisions that they made. RVP -- coming to his last years as a professional. Ditto Rio, Vidic, Evra, maybe Carrick. And who did they get from the club as a selection for a manager? Sir Alex's buddy. No experience. No style. No management skills. No tactical ability. NO CAPABILITY TO ASK FOR HELP WHEN HE SCREWED UP.
sums it up for me.
And people keep trying to blame the players who had to work for these dweebs day in and day out, and whose careers have been possibly ruined by the bad decisions that they made. RVP -- coming to his last years as a professional. Ditto Rio, Vidic, Evra, maybe Carrick. And who did they get from the club as a selection for a manager? Sir Alex's buddy. No experience. No style. No management skills. No tactical ability. NO CAPABILITY TO ASK FOR HELP WHEN HE SCREWED UP.
sums it up for me.
This.
Moyes keeps brainwashing people even after being sacked. The guy has a gift. He is in the wrong profession.
Hah! I reread what I wrote and have decided that it's time to take a break....maybe check my blood pressure. Anyway, Moyes didn't look very good at his job, and showed no sign that he was going to get any better. Time for him to go.
Funny about the people who say he's a nice guy....well, I'm sure all the managers who are fired are nice people. Maybe we'll all come out of this and be nicer to Wenger as a result of this new sensitivity.
I refuse to accept this. He had to know that he was under threat for many weeks. Only a delusional fool would have been surprised by his sacking. It's not the club's fault that the internet travels faster than David Moyes's thought process. Where does it say he has the right to find out first, in person, from someone special instead of a tweet?
I would also add in resentment over the change. Many of the players had a "special" bond to Sir Alex in some way. The disappointment/betrayal of his retirement was then focused on Moyes, on top of the lack of respect one might feel for a man who lacks balls.
It makes me think about the "every single one of stands behind David Moyes" chanting at the stadium, I thought that was cult-like behavior. Let's all follow David over the cliff. The false moralization of the manager issue has been a big distraction in all the discussion. It's so irrelevant when the manager cannot successfully perform his primary duties.
Yeah. Maybe some seems to forget that Fergie put heavy emphasize on mentality and characters when signing players. If people look at our players, almost all of them are decent people, professional, and hard-workers. And not the type of rebellious ones.
It must take something extraordinary for these players to collectively resent their manager. Judging by his speeches, I can imagine the kind of talk and way of thinking Moyes has said and done to our players, are enough to make most decent men to get angry; even so these professionals.
"The kid in" RvP is hungry for success and become the best in the world. What do you think happened to that "kid" when seeing he and his partner up-front can only make a couple passes for the whole game?
This season I've hated Moyes beyond belief, but reading his statement today actually made me feel really really sorry for him.
"Proud of reaching the quarter finals". Wow, what a poor bastard. This job really took a toll on him. It was too big. Probably the biggest job in the world. Even bigger considering who he had to take over from. He was never the right guy to begin with. Everyone knew it but us.
I hope he finds a job with the Wigans, Stokes or Norwich's of this world, because that is his real level.
"Proud of reaching the quarter finals". Wow, what a poor bastard. This job really took a toll on him. It was too big. Probably the biggest job in the world. Even bigger considering who he had to take over from. He was never the right guy to begin with. Everyone knew it but us.
I hope he finds a job with the Wigans, Stokes or Norwich's of this world, because that is his real level.
Plenty of reds never thought he was good enough to be fair.
Even in his statement, Moyes had to get his digs in about the state of the squad he inherited, you know, league champions by 11 points. He talked about major overhaul, transition, effectively saying it was not his fault and that he was played a bad hand which he was trying to sort.....
“We were fully focused and committed to the process of the fundamental rebuilding that is required for the senior squad. This had to be achieved whilst delivering positive results in the Premier League and the Champions League. However, during this period of transition, performances and results have not been what Manchester United and its fans are used to or expect, and I both understand and share their frustration"
Geez man, just walk away, head held high and shut the feck up. Sooner or later his comments will be soon to be unfounded, or the squad will need major overhaul, in which case Moyes stock rises... Why be so petty and potshot when it's too late.
This squad argument gets me so much, so many people buy it. The players have been shite but you don't lose quality overnight, and this squad had enough quality to be leading (or joint leading) point scores for the last three seasons. Seems like it was form/confidence/tactics to me.
“We were fully focused and committed to the process of the fundamental rebuilding that is required for the senior squad. This had to be achieved whilst delivering positive results in the Premier League and the Champions League. However, during this period of transition, performances and results have not been what Manchester United and its fans are used to or expect, and I both understand and share their frustration"
Geez man, just walk away, head held high and shut the feck up. Sooner or later his comments will be soon to be unfounded, or the squad will need major overhaul, in which case Moyes stock rises... Why be so petty and potshot when it's too late.
This squad argument gets me so much, so many people buy it. The players have been shite but you don't lose quality overnight, and this squad had enough quality to be leading (or joint leading) point scores for the last three seasons. Seems like it was form/confidence/tactics to me.
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