That was never reality, it was some sort of parallel universe. I reckon the ghost of Rod Serling was instrumental in appointing Moyes.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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That was never reality, it was some sort of parallel universe. I reckon the ghost of Rod Serling was instrumental in appointing Moyes.
I supported Moyes throughout his time here and I still find it a little strange that people on here are criticising others for doing so. From the Fulham game however I became fully convinced that he should be sacked at some point in the near future. However you don't have to believe someone is great to support them. I don't rate Valencia and I think Rooney is a cnut however when ever they play for United I want them to play well. I don't have an attitude of 'hopefully Valencia will play shit so that he'll be sold in the summer'. It seems some people had this mentality with Moyes. I though he should go for sometime however I see nothing wrong with the fans continuing to support him.
In the newbs I remember a lot of them being pissed the feck off because the crowd didn't get nasty and decided to applaud Moyes after the banner went over OT. It's something that confused me how fans believed that by the crowd going crazy this was going to have some major impact. The board will judge him on results, not whether the fans are booing or applauding him.
In the newbs I remember a lot of them being pissed the feck off because the crowd didn't get nasty and decided to applaud Moyes after the banner went over OT. It's something that confused me how fans believed that by the crowd going crazy this was going to have some major impact. The board will judge him on results, not whether the fans are booing or applauding him.
Who would Mourinho bicker with at United? Serious question, Ive been thinking about this all day in the context of Van Gaal. I cant imagine Woodward, SAF or SBC being drawn into anything public or interfering with him (either of them), so Im not sure the risk of this internal politics issue flaring up is that great at United. Again, Im thinking more about Van Gaal here than Mourinho, being the one that is actually on the cards. People worry about him causing problems wherever he goes but I cant imagine it here - not with senior management, anyway. Maybe he will piss some of the players off but personally I wouldnt see that as a reason not to bring him in, we've been calling for someone to have the balls to take tough decisions like benching Rooney all season, clearly if someone does that he is going to fall out with certain players but if it is in the interests of the club then bring it on.
No there wouldn't. We have produced similar football, and it was a good result away in the Champions League semis.
He doesn't mention the players, surely if he mentions SAF, the staff, his coaching staff then he could have mentioned the players as well. Well, they'll hardly lose any sleep because of this.
Didn't thank Woodward either for giving him 27 mil for Fellaini
Still mentions the rebuilding, the moron.
Anyway, him being proud to reach the CL quarters shows exactly the gap in expectations between United and himself. United together with Bayern have played the most CL quarters. Whereas for him, especially if he joins a decent, but not a top club, it will be a valuable experience he has had in the CL with United. He also had the opportunity to play against the current treble winners and against Pep, not many midtable managers can say that.
Last but not least, the rumours that he was surprised about his sacking sums him up perfectly. If he had any kind of expectations he should be surprised that he was still in the United job, not the other way round.
Didn't thank Woodward either for giving him 27 mil for Fellaini
Still mentions the rebuilding, the moron.
Anyway, him being proud to reach the CL quarters shows exactly the gap in expectations between United and himself. United together with Bayern have played the most CL quarters. Whereas for him, especially if he joins a decent, but not a top club, it will be a valuable experience he has had in the CL with United. He also had the opportunity to play against the current treble winners and against Pep, not many midtable managers can say that.
Last but not least, the rumours that he was surprised about his sacking sums him up perfectly. If he had any kind of expectations he should be surprised that he was still in the United job, not the other way round.
Against Barca? There was uproar, believe me. With widespread use of the word "cowardly" and indignation over traducing the attacking traditions of the club.
Didn't agree with the outrage myself. Partly because I'm pragmatic. Mainly because I knew it wasn't a typical Fergie performance. Not sure you can say that about last night.
Agreed. Eyes on the prize, if we were in Chelsea's position, on the verge of getting into a CL Final, we'd be happy. Id be happy, anyway.
Most of our away performances in the CL have been pretty dull as spectacles for several years.
Traducing. Lovely word.
A lot of Newcastle fans would love Moyes to take over from Pardew over there.
I think it would be a great move for him and he can't exactly do worse than Pardew is doing at the minute.
I think it would be a great move for him and he can't exactly do worse than Pardew is doing at the minute.
Fair enough if so, I wasn't on here then. Seems a bit churlish to me. Though at least we were probably the best team in the world at that point. If there's any time to lament boring defensive football, it's then.
Aye. Pogue's real name is "Ollamh Fodhla" (hope I got the spelling right).
I think people just like conforming to the stereotype. There is nowhere near enough politicking at United as there is at Barcelona, Madrid or even Bayern, a club who still have "legends" rabbiting on to the press about something or other. Ferguson and Charlton are nowhere near as abrasive in that sense. As you say, the only fall outs would be the ones with players, however, if we were successful then logic dictates that the majority of the squad will be on the manager's side anyway.
I'm not arguing with the decision, his position was near untenable - for which there were a lot of reasons, none of them have anything to do with his daughter, Leon Osman, whether or not he looks like Gollum or most of the other shite that's thrown his way. Ultimately finishing 7th isn't acceptable and it was pretty obvious that he was a dead man walking in recent weeks.
Ah feck it, I'm not arsed explaining myself any further... I find the attitude of some fans very very strange, I think the club could have conducted itself a lot better in pretty much every aspect of replacing SAF and I do agree with Neville that Moyes has become a scapegoat - some due to his own short comings - which presumably the club knew about when they hired him - but they still hired him.
Should get a bet on that mate reckon it's nailed on.
Quite simply, the club should have told him before they briefed journalists? Definitely agree with that.
100%.
They were playing to the crowd on that one, a small time move really. As I say, if Utd were mine I'd want to know how the press are getting so much inside info these days and Woodward would have some questions to answer.
And to be fair our performance against Barca (in '08 presumably) wasn't as defensive as Chelsea's last night either.
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Do we know that though? I find it very odd that no one would've told Moyes. He'd have at least heard the rumours and called someone ASAP. Plus if there was a clause in his contract he'd have know by the Everton game.
If it is true I agree it's shitty, but whats the difference between this speculation and the kind of speculation you don't like?
Lets see, every single paper, news outlet, and news channel starts running the same story, at the same time, 24 hours before he gets the sack.
compared to....
Revan thinks he saw something somewhere once that said Moyes made Carrick watch videos of Leon Osman/ fell out with Giggs / only started watching football when Utd won the Champions League in '08
if you were submitting your final paper for your Masters and it was all going to come down to one source....?
I dont think we know it for sure but its being widely reported that the first Moyes knew that he was going to be sacked on Tuesday morning was on Monday night when it was everywhere on the news, not just on the sports pages but on the TV news programmes. It is pretty clear that journalists had been briefed on Monday given the sudden conviction everyone had that it was going to happen. So then it is just a question of whether Moyes is lying that he hadnt been told at that point.
At the end of the day it doesnt matter, the point is, if it happened, that is bad, if it didnt, as you were. Its not like anyone is withdrawing their support from the club over it.
At the end of the day it doesnt matter, the point is, if it happened, that is bad, if it didnt, as you were. Its not like anyone is withdrawing their support from the club over it.
If all this player business is true then Moyes never stood a chance . I felt sorry for him then and I still do
My point is we don't know Moyes wasn't informed. He could well have been informed but since he wasn't in that day (which was Easter Monday) it wasn't officially announced until the next full working day, when we could come in, get his things and say goodbye etc.
He could still have been called, called them or gotten in contact. He was the manager after all (sort of.) It seems unlikely he'd be completely frozen out for a whole day by the club. If so, then yes, it's very shitty, but it seems like an assumption.
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Reports appear to make it clear that SAF and Sir Bobby were consulted about the sacking, but that they were also made known that the majority of the board were in favour of it. I've said it a few times that the co-ordinated leaking of the news seemed as if it was designed to put pressure on recalcitrant members of the board to accept the decision - to get a bandwagon going. I'm coming round more and more to this likelihood. The leaking was part of a strategy to 'soften up' opposition of the board, presenting board members with no realistic alternative. Once the media feeding frenzy had started, Moyes was a dead man walking, the hands of those who were uneasy were effectively forced. I keep using the term Machiavelian and it looks more and more like this. If this was orchestrated by the club or not is a matter of conjecture
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Who exactly do you expect Mourinho to bicker with at United?
Also, shit on a stick football and a result is miles better than hoof and cross and losing to the likes of Olympiakos, no?
I suspect people will be rather chuffed next Wednesday with a CL final to look forward to.
If that's indeed true and Woodward was the brain behind this whole operation, I've suddenly found renewed faith in his ability as vice chairman.
I kinda agree with @Erebus in that the leaks were all planted to nudge the fence sitters.
Now, do you think whoever succeeds Moyes (not a temp i.e., Giggs) will speak with him before accepting the offer? Depending on how much bad blood there is between the players and Moyes, how much would his (Moyes') opinion influence the new guy, if at all?
Now, do you think whoever succeeds Moyes (not a temp i.e., Giggs) will speak with him before accepting the offer? Depending on how much bad blood there is between the players and Moyes, how much would his (Moyes') opinion influence the new guy, if at all?
Newcastle fans would love Moyes?
No they wouldn't. They'd want him and his dull football out just like Big Sam was forced out.
No they wouldn't. They'd want him and his dull football out just like Big Sam was forced out.
I thought that was the implication of the LMA statement? I read he was a bit miffed about the way it was handled, but to be honest I don't know, no.
yeah, waiting 'til the new man is appointed first before requesting a change. Although it'd be funny if it remained.The LMA's statement, presumably on his behalf, said that they thought it was 'unprofessional' that the press had been briefed before the club had spoken to Moyes officially.
Ahh, I've not read the statement. Suppose we'll just have to wait for Moyes to open his mouth.
KiD VaN gAaL doesn't have a very nice ring to it...
I'm always in favour of win first performance 2nd. But a huge amount of the caf would not be of that opinion.
Besides you can count on one hand over Fergies entire tenure when we went all out defence. It usually happened when we had no choice. I can't think of a time where we totally set out from the start to kill a game.
Jose has always had a bit of a name for this, and recently it is far worse than he has ever been. Look at our first game vs Chelsea this season at OT for starters.
My intitial point was for cal? I don't think many now would choose Jose over the names been thrown around over the last couple of days. So no need for anyone still to be killing ourselves over missing at on Jose.
I would say getting Everton into the top 4 is a bigger achievement than guiding Man Utd to the QF's of the Champions League especially when you consider the standard of our opponents in the last 16.
I'm totally win first, performance 2nd, give me a 1-0 win any time over a 5-5 draw and all that.
I agree that Klopp is now the Caf choice and with good reasons, but personally I'd still prefer Jose if it's at all possible.
Sir Bobby and Sir Alex don't have any power on the board though, reports just say they were asked their opinion. Haven't reports also said that Fergie also came around to believing Moyes was the wrong one after all? He's a stubborn man but he knows a sinking ship when he sees one.
I see no reason for sticking a knife into moyes, clearly the man tried all he could and it's not his fault that the job was too much for him, the players were never on his side, would they have reacted the same to mourinho's negative tactics and tough training sessions? No, because it's difficult for anyone to doubt mourinho, he's a proven world class manager, moyes was an easy target from the start, and there's no doubt in my mind that most players are cnuts anyway.
So what, the players are paid for their ability to kick a piece of inflated leather around, not be role models or model citizens and certainly not moral beacons.
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