Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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It's been going on since the summer: Support Moyes = good fan; question Moyes = bad fan.

Now it's morphed into: Appropriate way to react to Moyes's sacking: wear Victorian mourning clothes and stand in dignified silence as the casket rolls by.
 
Even those in the Moyes in camp realise he had to go? A quick read of a few articles shows just how poisonous the relationship between the players and manager had become. There is absolutely no way that it could've been repaired and you can't get rid of 12-15 players to keep a manager who has led the champions to 7th.
 
Mockney said:
I'm sorry Popps, but once you resort to blaming the modern world you've lost the argument. United sacked Moyes because he wasn't good enough. His record was awful. He'd failed to hit every target. Even his biggest mainstream supporters now agree. Everyone from Martin Samuel and Patrick Barclay to Sir Alex Ferguson. To want them [the club] to have persevered to their own detriment for the sake of validating your moral code is not noble, it's selfish.
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Well seeing as you've already decided I've lost the argument I shant bother my hole replying will I?

And yes, it is like Frank O'Farrell. That great example of spoilt, instant gratification hungry modern football.
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So you don't know the story really then do you.... that point has feck all to do with fans and more to do with being careful what you wish for.
 
Mockney said:
I'm sorry Popps, but once you resort to blaming the modern world you've lost the argument. United sacked Moyes because he wasn't good enough. His record was awful. He'd failed to hit every target. Even his biggest mainstream supporters now agree. Everyone from Martin Samuel and Patrick Barclay to Sir Alex Ferguson. To want them to have persevered to their own detriment for the sake of validating your moral code is not noble, it's selfish.

And yes, it is like Frank O'Farrell. That great example of spoilt, instant gratification hungry modern football.
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Hopefully it isn't. It doesn't look that this time we are going for Allardyce, Pulis or Hodgson. Maybe we are learning the lesson and we would go for a good manager this time. I have seen a lot of United fans arguing that if we had gone for Clough, things would have been much better. So, time to break the post-Busby/post-Fergie mirror.
 
Revan said:
:lol: This mentality was amazing especially when those posters posted next on an another thread how it is disgusting for fans to want United to lose a game just in order for Moyes to get sacked.



Don't expect Van Gaal to sign 6 players, DT, it just won't happen. A midfielder (hopefully two but highly unlikely), a left back and a CB would be the maximum number of players he'll sign. On the other side, expect all of Varela, Pearson, Keane, Lingaard and maybe a few others having their chances on the first team.
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Powell would get a chance too without doubt. Actually a very exciting prospect, thinking how could make the best of the young players we have (both those bought and developed). Bebe!
 
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Sally Cinnamon said:
All this talk of modern fans, spoilt, gimme gimme gimme bollocks. :lol:

You have to laugh. The players (mainly giggs), and the board all agreed the whole time. Ferguson agrees he should be gone. The only reason it took so long is the 4th place clause.

All the "give him time", "united aren't that sort of club", moyes in camp are seething they were completely wrong. Brilliant. Very funny to be honest.
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What is hilarious is that "give him time" and "united aren't that sort of club" are statements that the club has made all season. Its also the statement that most former players would say . . Even Anchellotti said it when asked about DM being sacked, so the joke is on you sally . . .
 
So the people saying we should have given Moyes more time because that's the United way are, essentially, not standing by the club and its decision?

Plastic fans these days, thinking they all know better :wenger:
 
Moyes was sacked because he wasn't very good at his job and had lost (if he ever had it) the respect of a lot of the players. It was an impossible situation for him to continue in and completely the right decision to get rid.

Should Liverpool have stuck with Hodgson for a few years because it was the right and proper thing to do?
 
Eyepopper said:
For the record, and just so Revan doesn't start making up my opinions for me, I've supported Moyes from the day he was appointed to the day he was sacked.

I wouldn't have picked him personally but I think I understood the motivation behind it on the clubs part, safe pair of hands, old school British manager, build for the future etc. I think Gill going at the same time as Fergie was incredibly poor timing and ultimately I think it is the main thing behind how disastrous the season has been. Had Moyes come in with 2 or 3 top drawer players with him who knows what might have been. No point asking what if's at this point though.

Once again the club seem to have adopted a position of doing their laundry in public and I think Woodward shouldn't be too far behind Moyes. Regardless of results no one should be treated like Moyes was at the end, its not moral high ground or any of the nonsense Mockney is spouting, its just common decency. If I was a binman I'd expect to know I was being fired before everyone else.

And 10 months isn't long enough to get used to and put your mark on a job the size of the Utd manager IMO. I fear for the future, whoever comes in will have to rebuild the first team, play attacking football, win games, and deal with our 'supporters'.... piece of piss yeah.

My fear is that it will result in a short term approach & strategy, but again I don't really think long term exists in football anymore, it can't do when the average manager lasts about 12 months or whatever it is.

It's bascially Frank O'Farrell all over again.
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The players were plotting behind his back as well weren't they? History repeated? The physio will be worrying about who the next manager is.
 
Drummer said:
What is hilarious is that "give him time" and "united aren't that sort of club" are statements that the club has made all season. Its also the statement that most former players would say . . Even Anchellotti said it when asked about DM being sacked, so the joke is on you sally . . .
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They didn't so, and even Sir Alex - the man on whom you have made all your arguments why Moyes should get time - in the end agreed that he had to go and it was a mistake. Now looking at those posts when posters remainded us what SAF said on the final speech and posting that video, looks a bit 'funny' (and will look much more when we start winning again) considering that he himself was considering Moyes sacking.

As I said to you a month or two ago, better creating opinions on their own rather than going what someone said (in this case the someone is SAF) because you know someone might be wrong, and in that case someone had made a U-turn while people were still arguing to support Moyes because of someone's speech.
 
Eyepopper said:
Well seeing as you've already decided I've lost the argument I shant bother my hole replying will I?
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Come on, I'm not having a go but you and Drummer were the ones who started making personal insults about the modern attitude because the club had abandoned the cause it had started to rankle with you. THAT'S black and white, surely? So I took the piss. Standard.

So you don't know the story really then do you.... that point has feck all to do with fans and more to do with being careful what you wish for.
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Well my point was that you made your big hoopla about modern football being oh so different, then mentioned O'Farrell, who United sacked after a similar time-frame and a similar reign 40 odd years ago. So it's not modern football is it? It's just that you're annoyed your preferred approach didn't pan out, and wasn't embraced by the club.
 
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I think we actually did stick by Moyes. Any other club and he would have been gone by January but United gave him the chance to finish what he started and to try and get that top four place. Every other club would have panicked about missing out on Champions League football but Moyes was given a fair shot.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The players were plotting behind his back as well weren't they? History repeated? The physio will be worrying about who the next manager is.
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They were. Sir Bobby was one of them.

The joke part on the bolded line, Giggs is the new manager.
 
Freak said:
One of moyes biggest downfall was his failure in the summer transfer market. He needed to be decisive with our midfield and left back situation, he wasn't. To be fair to him, he recognized what was needed. You could say Woodward basically screwed him up.
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I read a lot of old posts from Everton forum's from 2005ish to 2012 and so many were infuriated by his transfer dealings. They'd identify players, flirt with them a bit before getting cold feet or being pipped to their signature and then go into the season knowing they'd be doing a lot better if they'd bought a striker or a midfielder. It was all too familiar.
 
Pexbo said:
I read a lot of old posts from Everton forum's from 2005ish to 2012 and so many were infuriated by his transfer dealings. They'd identify players, flirt with them a bit before getting cold feet or being pipped to their signature and then go into the season knowing they'd be doing a lot better if they'd bought a striker or a midfielder. It was all too familiar.
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You need a new hobby mate.
 
Drummer said:
What is hilarious is that "give him time" and "united aren't that sort of club" are statements that the club has made all season. Its also the statement that most former players would say . . Even Anchellotti said it when asked about DM being sacked, so the joke is on you sally . . .
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Meaningless buzzwords and phrases. If we were in top 4 he'd still be here. He has been a disaster after disaster and the club have been getting rid for months. Of course he was getting sacked ffs look at the absolute state of him. That's why it's so funny, even now people are still raging he's gone.

What do you think Ancelotti is going to say "yeah he's an absolute useless cnut he should been hung never mind sacked."
 
From David Bond of the BBC:

Manchester United acted to sack David Moyes this week as the club did not want to start the search for a successor behind his back.

Having decided Moyes had to go following Sunday's 2-0 defeat by Everton at Goodison Park, senior figures at the club felt it would have been 'disrespectful' to begin the process while he was still in post.

Despite the League Managers' Association criticising the "unprofessional" manner of Moyes' departure, the club remain convinced it was the right decision at the right time.
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I think that's fair enough. Most of the criticism seems to be about the Monday leak though, which still isn't really explained. Jamie Jackson mentioned yesterday that revealing the source that tipped the journos off "wasn't worth his life", whatever that means.
 
Ubik said:
Powell would get a chance too without doubt. Actually a very exciting prospect, thinking how could make the best of the young players we have (both those bought and developed). Bebe!
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It's way off and unlikely but just imagine Van Gaal coming in and using 2014-15 as an experimental phase, guiding the club back into the top four. Then in 2015-16 he turns lose these youngsters that gel alongside senior players... and in the 20th anniversary of the 1995-96 double winning side. Just need Hansen or some other clown with "you can't win with" tripe.
 
Ixion said:
I think we actually did stick by Moyes. Any other club and he would have been gone by January but United gave him the chance to finish what he started and to try and get that top four place. Every other club would have panicked about missing out on Champions League football but Moyes was given a fair shot.
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Yeah you can't say he wasn't given a decent chance.
 
Colin129 said:
I'm sorry, but what utter nonsense.

Go and ask the fans of a club in the bottom half of the table, or from the lower leagues. Of course you want them to do as well as possible, but outside the few clubs that share the spoils at the top table, and those that gain promotion and so win a lot of games in a particular season, most fans accept that they are highly unlikely to reach that pinnacle.

The majority of fans support a club because they were born in the area, because their dad or close family member does, once you get old enough, it doesn't matter how badly they fair, the supporters will say loyal. It's only at the very top where the fans may be more fickle, or maybe younger fans are more prone to chop & change, but once you're set on one club, that's it.
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It was in reference to the big clubs, apologies for being unspecific.
 
Revan said:
They didn't so, and even Sir Alex - the man on whom you have made all your arguments why Moyes should get time - in the end agreed that he had to go and it was a mistake. Now looking at those posts when posters remainded us what SAF said on the final speech and posting that video, looks a bit 'funny' (and will look much more when we start winning again) considering that he himself was considering Moyes sacking.

As I said to you a month or two ago, better creating opinions on their own rather than going what someone said (in this case the someone is SAF) because you know someone might be wrong, and in that case someone had made a U-turn while people were still arguing to support Moyes because of someone's speech.
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You don't really understand opinions contrary to your own, in fact I would go so far as to say you actually don't really understand what an opinion is . .

Definition: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

My default opinion was that SAF knew more then any barstool hack spouting their own "knowledge" on the topic of DM.

That said, its looking more and more likely that the players made DM job untenable. Even if SAF thought Moyes was a manager capable of turning things around, the pressure to stick with him was obviously too much. It doesn't change the fact that SAF felt DM had what it took to succeed, it just didn't work out . .

I don't think the club or the players have covered themselves in glory but you can continue on thinking happy happy thoughts about the players and the same board who appointed Moyes while I will construct my own opinion on this topic . .
 
JohnDoe said:
You need a new hobby mate.
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Aye, not wrong.

It was a couple weeks ago, I had a browse through their old posts on Moyes and it was very sobering reading. To think people thought he'd suddenly become a success here was baffling.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Meaningless buzzwords and phrases. If we were in top 4 he'd still be here. He has been a disaster after disaster and the club have been getting rid for months. Of course he was getting sacked ffs look at the absolute state of him. That's why it's so funny, even now people are still raging he's gone.

What do you think Ancelotti is going to say "yeah he's an absolute useless cnut he should been hung never mind sacked."
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So now you have an insight into what Anchellotti thinks ? Please do share, unless of course you just presume everybody thinks like you ?
 
Ubik said:
From David Bond of the BBC:



I think that's fair enough. Most of the criticism seems to be about the Monday leak though, which still isn't really explained. Jamie Jackson mentioned yesterday that revealing the source that tipped the journos off "wasn't worth his life", whatever that means.
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Could it be... Fergie? :nervous:

Of course not
 
Drummer said:
You don't really understand opinions contrary to your own, in fact I would go so far as to say you actually don't really understand what an opinion is . .

Definition: a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

My default opinion was that SAF knew more then any barstool hack spouting their own "knowledge" on the topic of DM.

That said, its looking more and more likely that the players made DM job untenable. Even if SAF thought Moyes was a manager capable of turning things around, the pressure to stick with him was obviously too much. It doesn't change the fact that SAF felt DM had what it took to succeed, it just didn't work out . .

I don't think the club or the players have covered themselves in glory but you can continue on thinking happy happy thoughts about the players and the same board who appointed Moyes while I will construct my own opinion on this topic . .
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No, I have never heard what an opinion is. Thanks for explaining it to me.

Can I return the favour by helping about the bolded part? Wait until SAF gives his version of events and then go with it.
 
Drummer said:
So now you have an insight into what Anchellotti thinks ? Please do share, unless of course you just presume everybody thinks like you ?
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I don't presume that. I do presume Ancelotti thinks Moyes was a complete disaster at United and was rightfully sacked, though.

Great stuff.
 
Ubik said:
I think that's fair enough. Most of the criticism seems to be about the Monday leak though, which still isn't really explained.
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Because it's the only card left to play in the big 'ol game of fan top trumps. Even if none of us actually know what happened. But then that's us modern fans these days. Always jumping to our own conclusions on the back of flimsy journalism.

By the sounds of it we played it by Moyes's very own play book.
 
Drummer said:
What is hilarious is that "give him time" and "united aren't that sort of club" are statements that the club has made all season. Its also the statement that most former players would say . . Even Anchellotti said it when asked about DM being sacked, so the joke is on you sally . . .
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The lesson to draw from this sorry episode is "don't draw lessons from the Fergie era". He was a complete one off who managed to regenerate teams for 20 years while finishing first or second every year. Of course we have not been a sacking club in the modern era - we would have been mental to fire a genius like Fergie. But now we are back to normal and, just like other clubs, if the manager fails, he needs to be replaced. And did Moyes fail....Under the gross economic disparities of the modern game, I'd say taking us down to 7th is the equivalent of taking us down to a relegation battle in the old days.
 
Mockney said:
Because it's the only card left to play in the big 'ol game of fan top trumps. Even if none of us actually know what happened. But then that's us modern fans these days. Always jumping to our own conclusions on the back of flimsy journalism.

By the sounds of it we played it by Moyes's very own book.
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Yeah I don't really care about it getting leaked either, if he didn't know he was on the brink he was incredibly blinkered. Not sure of our logic behind doing it though, didn't seem to achieve anything other than get it in the headlines a day earlier. Diluting the impact perhaps? Either way, for there to be complaints from Moyes' camp about it seems odd, given we stuck with him far beyond the point of no return.
 
Redo91 said:
This. He obviously felt guiding Manchester United to a Champions League QF was some sort of achievement.
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it is the biggest achievement of his life! He of course conveniently forgot to mention "thanks to Ryan Giggs" leading the team to a 3-0 win in the second leg. I suspect Giggs knocked his door insisting on starting otherwise he would not even have started him
 
Mockney said:
I'm sorry Popps, but once you resort to blaming the modern world you've lost the argument. United sacked Moyes because he wasn't good enough. His record was awful. He'd failed to hit every target. Even his biggest mainstream supporters now agree. Everyone from Martin Samuel and Patrick Barclay to Sir Alex Ferguson. To want them [the club] to have persevered to their own detriment for the sake of validating your moral code is not noble, it's selfish.

And yes, it is like Frank O'Farrell. That great example of spoilt, instant gratification hungry modern football.
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You've made some cracking posts in this thread. Completely agree.
 
Revan said:
Mockney's post on this is amazing. The Moyes-in forever camp somehow expected that their patience and staying by Fergie (ironically at that time Fergie himself actually became in favour of sack) will be vindicated in the end and they will proclaim themselves the best fans in the world, while all other plastic fans who wanted Moyes out would go and support Chelsea. However, in the end they looked just a group of naive childs who wouldn't even think for themselves and the final blow was when it has been 'semi-confirmed' that Fergie understod that Moyes has to go and Giggs was the leader of the troublemakers distancing himself from Moyes as early as January (when the majority of people here were still happy to give Moyes time). Of course, it is pointless to label Giggsy as a shit fan, but they can blame us gloryhunters, despite we did the same thing as him.
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Every single one of those who accused fans who didn't believe in Moyes of being a plastic fan who should f*ck off and support City or Chelsea can now go f*uck off themselves and go support David Moyes' next club. Saying that they would take a few years of being shit to get rid of the so-called fair weather fans was just pathetic -as if it's more important than the success of the club they supposedly support.
I had to put one poster on ignore for pissing me off with this opinion.
 
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