The worst the players could say about Moyes is that he was out of his depth. What he could say about the attitude of the players could be explosive. The players would be better keeping their mouths shut.
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The worst the players could say about Moyes is that he was out of his depth. What he could say about the attitude of the players could be explosive. The players would be better keeping their mouths shut.
what does the quoted twitter post say? i can't see them on my laptop!
I'd suggest he knew pre everton match, loss and miss out on top 4 and your gone!! His actions at the match would suggest this is the case!!
As they are supposedly being investigated by the NYSE as they should have been informed before any official announcement as well, someone has well and truly cocked up here. Moyes should not have found out about his sacking from the press it is disgusting.
Well, I don't think he would have known exactly he was getting sacked. But he must have known he was vulnerable. It is well reported that his contract included a lower severance if he didn't make the top 4. Therefore whether discussed or not, he must have known there was some inclination from United that not making the top 4 could potentially be unacceptable (and rightly so). I don't think he was told directly but given the inclusion of the clause, I think he must have known he was walking on water.
You have clearly never worked for a terrible manager. I have and it saps your enthusiasm, commitment to the job and belief in yourself. I got out to preserve my own sanity. There is nothing worse than seeing someone who isn't as good as you be over promoted and then tell you how to do your job. And what makes it worse is because they are new they are often given the benefit of the doubt in any dispute because those who made the appointment can't be seen to admit they made a mistake. When you are better qualified, have more experience and recognition, having someone who has been over promoted as your boss is a nightmare.
You think Ferguson doesn't care for value in the market? I don't know how to make things more clear, I will try however. The period these obscenely wealthy owners took over is when prices went crazy and that same period Ferguson didn't want to pay the crazy prices and spoke of value.
Clearly he did want value, clearly he did not want to become City or Chelsea. Prior to the crazy spending there was not crazy spending therefore he was willing to pay the prices...
He has been critical of the ridiculous spending time and again. In England before Chelsea there wasn't ridiculous spending.
If you think he would happily play £50m for Torres or £35m for Andy Carroll then you keep on thinking that.
Elaborate how. I've shown you that the Glazers have not been shy to spend, there were 4 (I think) signings over £15m pre-glazers, so I'm not sure where this idea we were big, big spenders before they came along comes from.
They were panic buys suggests the Glazers were not willing to back Moyes in the market.
Ferguson spent £63m last season and £53m before that therefore spending £68m for Moyes keeps with the trend.
To suggest spending £27m in the summer was a panic buy? I don't even know how to respond. We are talking about the Glazers making money available and I do not think they had any problem providing £27m to Moyes...
Breaking the british goalkeeper transfer record is a bargain? £16m for Valencia is a bargain? I could go on but this is completely wrong. I have mentioned pre-glazer we had four players over £15m, this is not big, big spending.
Ferguson likes his young prospects, he likes them a lot. In fact, Rooney was a young prospect and Ferdinand yet to enter his prime. Veron was just about the only big money signing he made of a player in his prime and we all know how that turned out. (Berbatov too I think, no wonder he isn't too keen on them).
You miss the point, we are discussing thie glazers providing the finances. They don't care RVP is a steal, they just want to know how much they must spend. And they spent it that season.
Also Glazers don't care whether Carrick is top bracket or not, that's for Fergie to decide. They want to know how much to spend.
Your continual excuses, after reading Hargreeves it sounds as though you are questioning Ferguson's signings. The Glazers provide money for Ferguson to spend but it is up to him to spend it.
De Gea broke the british record for goalkeeper transfers, again the Glazers don't care he is young and risky, they want to know how much to spend and they spent it.
You miss the point once more, the glazers don't care where Zaha is, they want to know how much and they will provide it. Whether he needs loan experience is for the manager to decide not them.
So despite all these opinions on the signings the reality is the money was given by the Glazers. It is evident they have spent, the only question mark is the net spend because of the Ronaldo money. And in the coming seasons we will know whether they were willing to compensate for a lack of investment.
As a business, if you need to strengthen an area you invest and the football side of things are no different. They will invest if they need to invest, this is business.
Ferguson understood this and would sooner a successful club than just a successful team.
You are insulting Ferguson and not the Glazers here. Firstly United signed a very young Rooney therefore De Gea and Jones will achieve that level. De Gea's price for a goalkeeper is the same for the striker version in terms of level assuming you accept strikers cost more than Goalkeepers. So he and Jones are in that 'ilk'.
Ferdinand was quality but so is RVP and Kagawa, Ferguson thought Berbatov would achieve that level. When Hargreeves came he was highly rated but unfortunately injuries were his down fall.
Ferguson enjoyed bringing through youth therefore giving Jones games in the central midfield was important for him because it helped him develop. He had Scholes for quite a while, now we all know Ferguson wanted Cleverley to become very good. We can't blame the Glazers for Ferguson wanting to play Scholes, for wanting to give Jones games in central midfield, for wanting to develop Cleverley, for losing Pogba, for getting it wrong on Anderson and Fletcher's illness. Ferguson got very unlucky with central midfield however it served us well last season and the funds were made available this season for the manager to sort it out.
De Rossi and Strootman would have done the trick, that's not the Glazers decision though is it.
All in all, again, it's obvious there has been spending and the squad is fine. I've addressed this already, only City is superior and the sacked manager had the chance to address central midfield in the summer, he failed.
'likely' That's your opinion because you don't like the Glazers, therefore I will disregard this point.
As for the warchest, van Gaal doesn't seem to keen on spending much therefore if he produces the results like Ferguson, the money will be invested elsewhere to only make the club stronger and generate more finances. If comes the need for investment then it will be made available, this is business.
Alex Ferguson did wonders on the football side of things but our club goes beyond that. We have a wage bill larger than Chelsea yet it's only 50% of turnover, therefore the board have ran the club well. There is a lot at Manchester United that Ferguson wasn't involved with, the board seem to have done a good job.
How much have the board taken out of the club in dividend payments?
It seems they invested the Ronaldo money in other areas where it was more needed (it would be a waste to leave it in the bank when they could multiply the amount by investing it), however, they were aware the time will come when heavy investment is needed in the squad and they will be willing to provide this.
I'm not sure there is anything wrong with how the club is run. It is very sustainable and we seem to be in a good position. I am confident if the manager (probably van Gaal) requires a big investment it will be provided however I honestly think he will be better getting the most out of our youth because he doesn't work too well with big egos. I think Cleverley could do well under him but we'll see!
It's Oliver Kay, he is basically saying that if Moyes comes out and says how the players have behaved it will be damning, but the same result if the players tell all about Moyes. I just think the players will come out of this as spoilt brats while Moyes was just out of his depth.
Well, Rio can confirm that Moyes said to him to do things the Jagielka way, and Carrick can confirm that he was forced to watch Osman's videos. Even if that wasn't true in the first place, the entire world will think that Moyes is an idiot.
Both Moyes and the player's are better off saying nothing. They'll have lovely book publishing deals to think about.
Yes the board are to blame, but you can still be a winner and have a bit of class, just because you are a winner you don't have to be a complete tosser.
All Utd are missing at the moment is a big red nose & a pair of clown shoes. Its been a shambles since Fergie and Gill stepped down.
So he misjudged things, I agree, but these players will find themselves out of the door in the summer, that will be their loss not ours.
lol, that's because it was...
He's gone now Revan, you can stop making stuff up.
What an absolute fantastic post. I applaude you, sir. The best post on the Caf I have read for a while.
I think the timing is pretty telling, as soon as we're mathematically out of the CL next season. It's a shame that it got leaked, but conversely, the media had been treading very carefully for months despite the horrendous season we've had. Of course there was a media explosion.
I wish him well for the future. He was just obviously not what we needed.
I wish him well for the future. He was just obviously not what we needed.
You said that his fallout with Giggs was me making stuff up to IIRC.
I also said that even if there isn't true, they can come with the most ridiculous staff and most of the people will believe them. Moyes should try to vanish this year from his memory, instead of talking about how players have left him down IMO, because in the end of the day by doing so he will look even more fool than he is already.
I don't think that wanting to be coached in a manner befitting a club of this stature, in this century, is going to make them look that spoilt. That's going to be the main criticism we see come up from the players in future, I think.
If someone from the players confirms some of the staff which media has said about him, he will look a total idiot, not only misjudging things.
I don't think that there will be a mass exodus with either Van Gaal or Ancelotti. Both are managers who utilize players they have instead of making big culls and signing a lot of players. United will be pretty much the same (with probably 2-3 additions and 3-4 players leaving) next season.
Cracking post
The demands of Newcastle supporters were ignored a long time ago. Ashley would love Moyes. He will continue to sell their best players and Moyes will keep them around the top half. It isn't a bad shout actually.
This. He obviously felt guiding Manchester United to a Champions League QF was some sort of achievement.
Where has he said anything about the players letting him down? The quotes I've seen from him are thanking the players.....
oh wait, was it the same place you saw Rio and Carrick 'confirm' he had them watching videos of Osman and Jagilka
Good point, definitely think that could have played its part in some of the flat performances we have seen all season from some players.
The buzz words around the caf the last few weeks have been cognitive dissonance, and im not going to lie i have watched games wanting us to win but knowing in the back of my mind if we did it could keep Moyes in his job.
So if it can affect us as fans no doubt it probably affected some players also only to a greater degree and their performances along with it, especially the ones who had little or no faith in Moyes.
Well his main achievement of bringing Januzaj to the fold is something he can hardly brag about (from a team's perspective).
I doubt very much they'd have him. If you were a Newcastle fan and you found out Pardew was leaving and Moyes was replacing, would you really see it as a step up? I severely doubt it.
Isn't intellect a prerequisite for intellectual cowardice though.... I think you're over looking something.
Well yeah but we shouldn't get him back now, we need to move on.
Newcastle fans expect Guardiola or Mourinho through, Moyes would do well at Newcastle.
I've just said it above, Newcastle fans are currently the least important factor in the entirety of the club. Ashley laughs at them every transfer window and hires goons like Pardew and Kinnear to take the stick. He'll love Moyes.
Oh god this!
On a different note:
One thing that has annoyed me throughout DM reign was the constant mention of rebuilding. Basically saying to the current players they're not good enough. Surprising how some of them weren't motivated or fans of him.
I think you should read other posts before you reply then Popper. My comment was on the reply to the post of DT:Where has he said anything about the players letting him down? The quotes I've seen from him are thanking the players.....
oh wait, was it the same place you saw Rio and Carrick 'confirm' he had them watching videos of Osman and Jagilka
And I just said that if he speaks about players, then they can speak about him too, and regardless if what they say is true or not, he will look the fool on the process.
Don't ask me, chief - I can't even spell 'reasonable' properly.
I'm not arsed Revan, to me you're a prime example of whats wrong with the world of football these days, indirectly it's fans like you who fuel whats turning football to complete shite.
Nothing personal, I'm sure you're a nice guy, I just hate fans like you and wish you'd all feck off and watch WWF of something.
Nothing personal, I'm sure you're a nice guy, I just hate fans like you and wish you'd all feck off and watch WWF of something.
Quite interesting to note that despite spending 10 years at Everton, the players there weren't overly complimentary of his time there either.
Many, many managers have learnt they were being sacked through the media - it happens time after time. This is nothing new. Also if it's true there was the non qualification for Champions League clause in his contract he must have know about it - and so should not have been surprised. Quite frankly if he doesn't know what the minimal demand criteria in his own contract are then I'm not surprised he wasn't a success.
You're dead right, because there will always be naive gossip hounds prepared to digest what they read in shitty tabloids without so much as taking the time to chew, and then only too happy to shout the same shit, as loudly as they can, as if it were fact.
Exactly.
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