Indeed he does seem to give that impression. I have to admit his statement did give the sense that he felt he was hard done by. He might have been a bit, but there were so many catastrophic failures that he made that it was expected. From removing the backroom staff, to some of the negative comments in press conferences, to poor training sessions, and to poor match day tactics. There were many, many flaws under his leadership.
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Indeed he does seem to give that impression. I have to admit his statement did give the sense that he felt he was hard done by. He might have been a bit, but there were so many catastrophic failures that he made that it was expected. From removing the backroom staff, to some of the negative comments in press conferences, to poor training sessions, and to poor match day tactics. There were many, many flaws under his leadership.
I'm just asking because I can't see anyone in this thread who I would consider to actually be "pro-Moyes" in the sense that they still want him at the club.
Defending aspects of his character or mitigating factors whilst simultaneously accepting that he was a failure does not make one "pro-Moyes".
That's true. It's all a bit of a mess really. In truth, Moyes didn't stand a chance. He wasn't a proven winner upon arrival, his methods are inherently cautious, the players are only used to a swash-buckling, special kind of Ferguson, by nature of circumstances they all have big egos, so I think this plan was doomed to fail from the outset. I think all of this is the reason why, and I don't want to hugely derail the thread, Mourinho quite simply had to be given the job. He decided that he wanted to sell Chelsea's best player after a couple of months and yet he did, and got away with it. We needed that here, in hindsight.
I've got no idea what will happen to the players now, but like I said, Giggs thought Moyes was a bit of an idiot. When Giggs does, can we really criticise the players all that much? I think we should move on from this and just stick by them.
Let it go Dave no need to peddle this anymore to buy yourself time. This squad didn't need rebuilt last summer when he took over according to Moyes himself. Ferguson didn't think it needed a rebuild either.
The fact he has somehow made so many people fans and pundits believe that it does will go down as his biggest achievement during his time as manager of Manchester United. Which says it all really about his disastrous tenure.
Some nice comments in that statement but that part was just not necessary.
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Eh, how was it unprofessional? Ridiculous bias imo.
Evra stopped being able to defend last year, and over-use of him has been a problem for a while now. I'm sure Moyes didn't do him any good though.
Telling the press before telling David Moyes is very unprofessional IMO.
Fully agree with this.
If true, sure.
I don't think Bevan would say it, as he has, if it wasn't true.
I never said the players should not take any individual blame. I've always said the players who haven't put the effort in/not delivered will most likely be out of the door in the summer. Therefore they will take the blame irrespective of your opinion.
Not necessarily Moyes, but I agree with the notion of someone who commands respect. Someone who has won things, who has a track record of success. We didn't necessarily need someone to come in and tear the place apart and start again. We needed someone who had the history to back up his plans to allow him the space to make those changes. The issue with Moyes was always if he did something someone of seniority didn't agree with, he had absolutely nothing to fall back on to show why he was right. Within that split second, the seed of doubt is planted. He was the wrong choice, simple as that.
Nail on the head.
Yeah his decline definitely pre-dates Moyes but had he scaled back his duties some of that decline may have been reclaimed, somewhat. Similar to how when a central defender gets to Ferdinand's age, you notice the decline and the next season you give them a lighter schedule. We saw a renascence in Rio a couple of seasons back as a result of this approach. Not only did Evra have to in addition from suffering with age and getting no help in terms of playing time he had to do it at a time when training was so intense even the youngest players were feeling the effects.
Agreed. That stuff needs sorting out but for me its just another symptom of a continuing post SAF meltdown that Moyes tenure simply fuelled rather than arrest.
Might have just leaked out like fergusons retirement. There are always people who do that
Who cares what those losers say anyway? It was again the propaganda for a British manager. As far as I know they neither criticized Ferguson and United, nor Moyes for having talks behing Everton's back when he was still under contract with them.
Indeed.
Moyes will receive a better reception from Manchester United supporters than he did from Everton supporters, which is bizarre.
He can have no complaints though, he was clearly not up to it. He blew the biggest opportunity of his career by failing to adapt when personal change was clearly necessary.
He can have no complaints though, he was clearly not up to it. He blew the biggest opportunity of his career by failing to adapt when personal change was clearly necessary.
Aye I mentioned this in the fans thread. You have to really have been a shit to get stick off our fans if you've been here. Even if you were appalling at what it was you did here.
Almost all other clubs, if not all clubs, boo the hell out of returnees most of the time as a matter of routine.
That the sacking was leaked before Moyes knew took me by surprise. On Monday I thought United were carrying out a media roll-out, which I assumed started with Moyes getting the news, and then a briefing to reporters. That apparently wasn't the case.
It's interesting though, given what we now know, that press reports of Moyes being in trouble that started showing up in February and March were pretty accurate. Looks like any sign of consistent improvement in form starting in March could have been enough to save his job. That didn't happen-and that was that.
Well yes, playing wise, though Moyes appointment him as a coach, so no from leaving the club entirely.
Will be very interesting to see what happens next with Moyes. Hopefully he can take over a struggling team, either here, in Germany (based on things he has said about wanting to work there) or elsewhere, and over a few seasons establish them as a stable, mid-table club. Reaffirm his niche, basically, and claw back some of the credibility which he lost in the last 10 months.
Moyes had some idea, without a doubt. I don't buy the notion he was surprised to read of his imminent departure.
I think that it's also a big reflection on Everton fans. Going after Baines and Fellaini wasn't the best move Moyes ever made (for us, or for him lol), but it's common practice now for managers to try and bring some of their favorites across. Just like Martinez himself did. Everton fans have been extremely classless IMO. Moyes was terrible for us, but he dug Everton out of the gutter. Maybe he reached his glass ceiling there too, but one shouldn't forget that Everton could have been dead and buried.
I refuse to believe he only knew from reading the papers, that's ridiculous. After the Everton game his interview was very telling and different somehow, he knew it was the end then.
I wonder would the Norwich vacancy tempt him so soon, or would he prefer to bide his time?
I think he'd do well for a club like Norwich or Villa for example. He'd turn them probably into a solid mid table side. I agree that is his niche, but I guess kudos to him for having the balls to try and make that step up. It wasn't to be for him, he was out of his depth. I still think he's a very good manager for a solid mid table team.
I don't believe Moyes found out he was gone via the media for a second.
I think he'd rather wait. Personally, I think he can do better than Norwich too. Newcastle would be the one I think he'd do OK with.
After we'd been knocked out by Bayern he was infinitely less defiant his future was safe, when pressed on the lack of Champions League football he merely shrugged rather than the bullish replies we'd become accustomed to. He knew.
I do find it funny that you guys will always air on the side that would be against Moyes, as such.
Anyway, we don't know what happened, so let's just wait and see until the facts come out.
There's noway Newcastle will appoint Moyes, their fans demand attacking football and will not stand for Moyes' stagnation.
I listened to The Times podcast and the panelists were pretty cagey about how United broke the news to them on Monday. Reports are that the decision was made Sunday night-and the news broke on Monday afternoon. Surely somebody at the club contacted Moyes during that time.
Exactly. He tried, he failed, itll hurt but when things have settled down again I think he'll be glad he at least gave it a go. And now he knows, nothing wrong with having a specific skillset, he can pick a job that suits his strengths and do well again.
I think he knew pre everton match, the man is dim but he isn't that bloody stupid!! It'd probably explain his actions at the everton game as well....
Maybe. We'll have to wait and see though. Newcastle was more the level I was referring to anyway. Not a bottom 3 contender. Although it is rather bunched up there anyway.
If the reports are true regarding the one year severance pay as a result of failure to qualify for the Champions League Moyes knew he was done. He signed the feckin' contract! 
If, as people are speculating, there was a performance clause in Moyes' contract stating that he had to make the top 4, he'll have had a fair idea he was out for some time.
EDIT yeah, kind of like what ^ said.
EDIT yeah, kind of like what ^ said.
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