He'll get his next job where he's universally loved. The media.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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some people can never quite. Even Fergie thought Moyes did a terrible job in the end by all accounts
i think he did an awful job. thats not my point.
No one is saying anything about doing a good job. I think the statement purely refers to the way they acted. Moyes gave it 100%. I don't think the players did. Is that such a wrong thing to say?
ya but people read what they want to read. hes been hugely criticised at many points this season.
Nice statement. Hopefully he finds another job quickly, I imagine he will be incharge of a Premier League club by August. He has Champions League experience on the CV now which is good, and he did alright in it.
There are certainly some fans who seem to have taken to Moyes as a totem for their own semi-righteous belief in the proper nature of fandom. They truly believed that with time the spoilt, impatient unworthy plastic modern fans would be weeded out, while their sure to be vindicated trust would be rewarded. That in the end the club, and even Ferguson ended up siding with the dark side, which in many cases has been childish and petulant since about January has hurt and annoyed them. They never got a reward for their virtuous, naive loyalty. As such the can't quite let go of Moyes as some kind of hero to stand behind. Even if they admit he was a terrible, terrible manager, he's still the moral winner, somehow. As are they....
Good for him. Rio and Giggs will tear him a new arsehole one day and I know who I will believe.
Think so because you can't prove either. I'd say majority of players gave 100%, a few did not but if Moyes stuck with them then he is at fault.
Good point. I'm guessing that statement he released was classy because the club paid him some severance to stop him from trash talking us. I mean he bad mouthed the club he spent 11 years at I'm pretty sure the statement doesn't reflect what he truly wants to say after a horrid 10 months.
What? No one is saying that???? Being respectful does not mean any of this! Saying Moyes tried his hardest and so shouldn't be kicked at every opportunity does not mean any of this! Saying the players also had a part to play which they didn't do, doesn't mean any of this! If it is truly your opinion that Moyes is 100% to blame for every single thing that has gone wrong this club this year, then fine, that's your choice. But I don't have to agree. And that doesn't mean any of this too!
I never understand praising someone for something he should do anyway, Moyes acting with dignity should be the norm by any managers and even more so when the manager in question has been out of his depth. Could things have been handled better by the club ? IMHO yes, definitely so.
TBH, I didn't notice a lack of effort from the players; more like a lack of direction, faith and (with some) competence.
Neither can you.
That's an easy excuse but the lack of effort was clear to see on many occasions.
If they weren't going to play for Moyes, they should've played for the shirt and the fans.
Hard working nice guy from beginning to end.
Which is fine but United clearly need much more than that.
Which is fine but United clearly need much more than that.
But I'm not claiming Moyes did not give 100% whatever that means as a manager.
Ay, he's a hero that bloke. He's behaved fantastically well, while our winning players have tarnished themselves. Raise a statue.
I agree. But the only reason people are raising this is because of the people who continue to bash and abuse and show a lack of dignity themselves in relation to Moyes. There is no need for some of the stuff people are saying. If we expect Moyes to act with dignity, shouldn't we also act with dignity? As acting as such is not something that is unique to the role of manager, it should be what every human aspires to do. Is that not a valid point though because in some twisted way I am defending Moyes?
this point is so ridiculous. he was proud to manage in the champions league. shocker. people are reading it whatever way they want as if in his closing statement hed celebrate getting to a quarter final. anybody would be proud to manage man utd in the last 8 doesnt mean youre just happy to be there.
lazy "journalism"
He mentions the United staff, don't you think that includes the players?
Not sure if Bevan's full quote about the Moyes situation has been posted yet:
"The LMA is very disappointed with the nature of David's departure from Manchester United and to read extensive reports in the press, confirming David's sacking, before David himself had been spoken to officially by the club. Throughout his time at United, David, as he always does, has conducted himself with integrity and professionalism, values that he believes in and that have been strongly associated with the club and its rich tradition. It is therefore sad to see the end of David's tenure at United being handled in an unprofessional manner. David is one of the most talented, knowledgeable and dedicated managers in British Football. He has a wealth of experience accumulated in a management career that started when he was 35 and already spans 16 years, with over 800 games in the professional game. David is a three-time winner of the LMA Manager of the Year Award, and without a doubt, he has a significant future in front of him in football management. He is passionate about the game and I know he possesses the drive and resilience to learn from this chapter of his career and move on to a new challenge in the game.”
"The LMA is very disappointed with the nature of David's departure from Manchester United and to read extensive reports in the press, confirming David's sacking, before David himself had been spoken to officially by the club. Throughout his time at United, David, as he always does, has conducted himself with integrity and professionalism, values that he believes in and that have been strongly associated with the club and its rich tradition. It is therefore sad to see the end of David's tenure at United being handled in an unprofessional manner. David is one of the most talented, knowledgeable and dedicated managers in British Football. He has a wealth of experience accumulated in a management career that started when he was 35 and already spans 16 years, with over 800 games in the professional game. David is a three-time winner of the LMA Manager of the Year Award, and without a doubt, he has a significant future in front of him in football management. He is passionate about the game and I know he possesses the drive and resilience to learn from this chapter of his career and move on to a new challenge in the game.”
No mention of the players in that statement. More to come probably in a book.
I agree that Moyes shouldn't be kicked at every opportunity, but neither should he be thanked, or given ovations on his return, or be held up as some kind of undeserving pariah next to the evil, conniving players, or some of the other truly weird and defensive ideas that have been floating around since his sacking.
He was truly crap here, and he wasn't some kind of saint either. In the end even Fergie agreed.
It means Moyes put maximum effort into trying to succeed. I'd have thought that is common sense. You're the one saying the players should not take any individual blame. Can't prove that either. But just so you know, that is partially the point of a forum. To discuss opinions. In case you're not sure what that is either, it's a view or judgement that is not based on fact.
I agree and I honestly don't like some of the things said to Moyes, after all he tried his best but it wasn't to be. You're right that we should all act with some dignity so that it becomes a norm to us fans too.
This.
Remarkable that, somehow, there now appears to be a substantially bigger pro Moyes camp than just a couple of days ago.
I can't believe the lengths you're willing to go to have a dig at Moyes. And I know, you'll read it how you want to see it and say "I can't believe how far you're going to defend him." But no, that is not what I am doing or asking for.
Moyes was crap, shit, and deserved to be sacked. But there is no requirement to pick on anything that could even in the smallest way make him look like a dickhead. Nor do you have to go out of your way to slag him off at every opportunity. He's sacked, we can all move on. There is no cost to being respectful, is there? If you really want something, and you get the chance, and you try you're hardest, but you're not good enough, would you think it's fair if people swear at you and bash you and kick you and laugh at you and jeer at you? You'll say yes though, because to you winning the "argument" is the most important thing.
I don't think that post was ridiculous... The man is ALWAYS Blameless... Everything and everyone else is to blame for his failings!! He treated Everton like crap towards the end... Met Fergie privately and behind the clubs back, ran down his contract to ensure he got the Utd Job, put in derisary offer for Baines & Fellaini... there are host of other reasons too!
He then took over Utd where from day one the manner in which he spoke about the club was insulting... "aspire to be like city" and "Fergie would of struggled"...Directly insulting the man who backed him in the first place...is it any wonder fergie agreed he had to go!!
I think Moyes is simply a bit dim really, he is an awful speaker and aside from that just does what suits him best I would suggest and has by and large managed to remain blameless until recently...
The guy will probably be unveiled as the Norwich Manager during the summer and in 12months time I'd suggest you log on to their forums and it'll be like a repeat of everything that is said here...
I think it's noticeable by omission, mate. Public statements like this are often rather bland and, usually, an explicit nod to colleagues is present (even if insincere). Still, only DM knows the truth though, of course.
I completely agree. I'm not calling for statues, I'm not calling for a standing ovation. I'm not saying he should be loved by us just because he acted with class. I am solely saying, people don't have to kick him. But to certain people in this thread, apparently saying that means I am in love with the guy and that I'm defending him because I think he was an awesome manager. Which is not the case.
I can't say that us looking poor have a lot to do with tactics?
Does recognising his failure but not using it as a reason to criticise everything about the man make someone pro-Moyes?
No it wasn't. I've asked this many times and am yet to receive an acceptable rebuttal. Which player, on the pitch during a game, was actively not trying to win a football match? When somebody can name a game, name a player, name the minute and explain what he specifically did that demonstrated this supposed deplorable lack of effort for the cause then I might just understand the disgraceful treatment our players have received - off some supporters - throughout the season.
The players tried. I watched De Gea try. I watched Rafael run himself silly. Smalling, Jones, Evans, didn't try? The narrative is and has always been nonsense. The moment we employ a manager with the right mindset and the imagination and talent to coach these players then things will dramatically improve. Had Moyes' methods been good ones then this wouldn't have happened. They weren't, they were shite, just like many people predicted given the large amount of pure guff they'd watched at Everton in the years leading up to his appointment.
By all accounts, it's Giggs that was the ringleader behind his dismissal. Was it Giggs, all conquering legend of the club, that didn't play for the shirt?
He's not an angel, but two wrongs don't make a right. We don't need to beat him while he is down and personally abuse him. That is literally all I'm saying. I don't know why it's being turned into a soap opera or what not about how I'm defending Moyes.
Seems to be more Moyes supporters now than they was last week...
Are people really commending him for coming out and not having a go at the players, the club and everything in between? It's as standard of a statement as it can get.
You'd think yes with the way some people are posting.
Your implication wasn't a complex one. You insinuated that Moyes has acted with utter sincerity, while members of the board and playing staff had not. I disagree in its entirety. I think Moyes has behaved poorly all season.
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