He should probably try to win a away game against a top opposition (something that he failed to do on 12 years of his career) before thinking to win the title, in what is currently the most difficult league to win in the world.
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He should probably try to win a away game against a top opposition (something that he failed to do on 12 years of his career) before thinking to win the title, in what is currently the most difficult league to win in the world.
Agreed. I still can't understand what the purpose of the leak was, I hope whoever was responsible for it is punished accordingly. A person shouldn't go to bed at night with the whole world speculating/celebrating that he was about to be fired.
Again, as I just said to Sarni, who said his goal wasn't to do either of those? I'm not referring to what the goal of the manager to be. I was referring to what a human being should be like, irrespective of if they win, or lose. Being classy and having integrity doesn't come at a cost. It is free. And it doesn't make you a wanker if you choose to have integrity.
nobody is saying that. it takes more than winning trophies under fergusons stewardship to earn the right to respect and call yourself a winner. hes gone now so we can move on but a huge number of the players have completely ruined themselves in my eyes and many others. theres an awful lot of smoke about the efforts of players for moyes. if they wanted him gone fine but they didnt have to embarrass and let down all of us in the process.
get real if you think theres not players in the squad that didnt give a feck. allow yourself to be fooled by spoiled multi millionaires that dont represent anything that great players of the past have. the lives these guys live is incredible. millions of pounds and every pleasure they could want, with vast majorities refusing to see any wrong in what they do. theyve let the club down
Well apparently Moyes being sacked vindicates anything negative that has been said about him since he got the job, no matter how untrue and douchey those things are.
Look, Detectives, I have the strong suspicion that Sarni was being sarcy. Call it a hunch.
brilliant post, great points made!
There will be no doubt that he lost almost the entire dressing room, then. He probably had very few allies left towards the end. Must've been incredibly sad for him.
100% agree. People just criticising now to further their personal agenda. Let it go. He's gone. It is a perfectly acceptable thing to say.
Stop being so melodramatic. Which part of my post was plain horrible? He was badly out of his depth here and his comment about the CL quarters perfectly reflects that.
Definitely his. Said he was proud to get to the last 8 of the Champions League. That kind of lowering of expectations is pure Moyes.
He comes across as a nice guy but certainly the wrong guy. The statement shows no acknowledgement of why he lost the dressing room e.g. negativity in tactics and ambitions. The undertone is a claim that the players didn't want to play for him, but there's no critical examination of why.
Fed up of all of these "He has handled himself with dignity, can't say the same about the players, they should be ashamed of themselves"
They have been, and are, serial winners. By all accounts, Moyes's methods were absolutely dreadful. It's absolutely inevitable that there's going to be a certain amount of ridiculing.
Blame the people that made the decision if you don't want to blame Moyes, but christ, get your heads in the real world.
They have been, and are, serial winners. By all accounts, Moyes's methods were absolutely dreadful. It's absolutely inevitable that there's going to be a certain amount of ridiculing.
Blame the people that made the decision if you don't want to blame Moyes, but christ, get your heads in the real world.
Some of the players should be more ashamed than anyone. At least Moyes has the excuse of not being good enough - at least he tried though. We know that these players are good enough and yet seen them put in lazy performances on the pitch (regardless of tactics). This became even more apparent in certain games when they did put in that extra bit of effort and it was very noticeable.
Did Moyes shown any integrity though? Talking behind Everton's back for the new job, running his contract down when Everton need money almost more than any other club in the league, falling out with the majority of players, blaming them, blaming Premier League for the schedule, blaming referees, blaming Sir Alex for the squad he has let, belittling Martinez' achievement of Everton and attributing them to himself, sacking the proven winner coaches. Great integrity here.
Usually when a manager falls down with the players he is labelled as a count, while this is the unique case when hehas been labelled as a saint. I don't know if our fans supported United or Moyes anymore.
I don't know the story so I won't comment. Players have as much right to criticise a manager and be unhappy with him as the other way around, the idea that Moyes should be allowed to replace the whole squad because he didn't fancy them and criticise them in public insisting they aren't good enough from the very first moment but they aren't allowed to speak a bad word about him is frankly not my cup of tea.
watch the everton game again.
nobody is saying moyes is without fault and that the managers job isnt crucial in motivating players, but if youre happy to let them players off the hook then good luck to you. living in absolute fantasy if youre happy to allow players on that money and playing for united to play like that. and if theyre all so boody soft that they need daddy to help them win then maybe they are better off elsewhere.
I agree
The manager is the most important man at any football club he takes the most blame like now or the most credit if things go well.
Its up to him to manage the players and if he loses them, its his fault.
I wasn't referring to yours. And yes, I'm melodramatic because we don't feel the same way.
Aye, he was a record breaker. Proud as punch I bet.
The LMA want to wind their necks in.
David Moyes, he was sacked for our sins.
We were unworthy.
We were unworthy.
Exactly.
Of course he lost the players with his negative tactics, negative comments, negative attitude etc.
they can say what they want privately which they did. im talking about a basic level of performance that we all pay for. countless times this season theyve failed all of us, forget moyes.
Sheesh, The Waltons never ended like this.
It's exactly because they are serial winners that the lack of effort this year should be criticised.
I can't believe I'm using Chelsea as an example to be looked up to but they didn't capitulate when they had Grant/Di Matteo even if those managers weren't up to the job.
They love getting on their high horses about stuff like this. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors at clubs.
missing the point. many respected people have failed. which he did spectacularly. but he had dignity and put in 100% unlie our faultless heroes. lets go renew our season tickets for them now. maybe theyll try harder next season, if they feel like it.
I missed it myself but I was told that someone called up MUTV last night to say that they stopped supporting United because of the way Moyes was sacked!
We seriously have the most precious, highly principled, and at times self-righteous, set of fans in the world. Yet the same people in their defence of Moyes, didn't hesitate in criticising Sir Bobby, SAF and our players, the very people who have actually done wonders for the club.
oh feck off David,
I do respect the guy but he can feck of with this shite
I think their level of performance had far more to do with inept tactics than the lack of desire.
The fact that he constantly questioned the quality of this squad played its part too.
Sorry but I don't know what to say to that, because it's just ridiculous. I can't believe the lengths you're willing to go to have a dig at Moyes. And I know, you'll read it how you want to see it and say "I can't believe how far you're going to defend him." But no, that is not what I am doing or asking for.
Moyes was crap, shit, and deserved to be sacked. But there is no requirement to pick on anything that could even in the smallest way make him look like a dickhead. Nor do you have to go out of your way to slag him off at every opportunity. He's sacked, we can all move on. There is no cost to being respectful, is there? If you really want something, and you get the chance, and you try you're hardest, but you're not good enough, would you think it's fair if people swear at you and bash you and kick you and laugh at you and jeer at you? You'll say yes though, because to you winning the "argument" is the most important thing.
some people can never quite. Even Fergie thought Moyes did a terrible job in the end by all accountsThey couldn't do that in such an archaic, one-dimensional coaching sphere that was led by an idiot.
Which is true, I agree. And even if we are talking about passion and determination and drive, I know that can fall off if your manager is shit too. But you're way off the mark if you think the players take 0% responsibility in this.
The buck falls with Moyes, we're all agreeing on that. But if you think 100% of everything that has gone wrong this season is down to Moyes alone, then you're mistaken. That is all I am saying.
But I'm sure you'll find a way to disagree
I read somewhere that even after the Everton game Moyes believed he would still be given the summer transfer window to sort things out.
And apparently he saw the news that he could be sacked the same time we did all over social media. Nobody from the club contacted him until the next day. IMO that's poorly handled couldn't imagine how he must of felt whilst all of that was going on.
you simply cannot say that. weve lost games massively before and never felt the effort or attitude was off. even that 6-1 against city we were proud of them thinking they could claw it back when 3-1 down. nobody should criticise somebody for losing. the basic basic effort and mistakes made have been disgraceful.
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