What a shit article is it:
Also, there is nothing about SAF there, just that they have understood that he grow doubts about Moyes 2 months ago.
Typical Daily Fail
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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Also, there is nothing about SAF there, just that they have understood that he grow doubts about Moyes 2 months ago.
Typical Daily Fail
Appointing Moyes was a gamble that didn't work or was ever likely to, in truth. Firing DM was a far-sighted decision (who could really imagine him turning things 'right round & making us challenge the very best?); it's just a pity that far-sightedness wasn't available before ever considering him for the post.
Anytime I said the names "Steve Round" or "Jimmy Lumsden" a part of me died.
I still can't figure out on what merits he was hired on, which says it all. Now just picture yourself being a player in that dressing and having Moyes take over from SAF, I would feel underwhelmed, so over time that has developed into the mess Moyes found himself him. The club take most of the blame for me, Moyes should have never been here in the first place and if they did their jobs right then we would not be in this mess.
Not really, the 6 year contract was to send out a message that he would be given time. No one expected things to get as bad as they did, thankfully there was a clause in his contract that means we don’t have to pay him for another 5 years.
If Moyes had finished in the top 4, I’m certain that he would still be in a job, but 7th, not many, if any, truly believed that was possible.
As for the stories, I think they are mostly coming from the media, some may be true but id imagine that quite a lot has been made up or guessed. Publicly, the club has been very quiet. In truth, the Club wouldn’t have to justify his sacking, the table, results, player’s performance, and bizarre
Curious how so few, if any, of these post-Moyes revelations include the players' reaction to his indulgence of Rooney. Hmm...
I still don't see the point the 6 years contract. The club could have said this is long term and be done with. The stories are coming from journalist with close ties to the club. James Ducker, Ian Ladyman and Mark Ogden would not write this if it didn't come from the club.
It was said by a few reliable journalist that senior players were unhappy with his handling of Rooney, so I guess that was a part it too.
I can't believe how many people are criticizing the way United has handled this situation. To me it's complete rubbish. It was a statement giving him a long-term contract and I believe the intention to stick together for that long was there at the time. But to not act when you are sure you were wrong would be even worse.
He got a longer shot than he would have at most other clubs and definitely longer than at every other big club. The club and many of us supporters stood by him through good and bad. And now people are coming out of their holes and pointing at us, saying it's not fair!?! feck off! Nothing is fair! Life sucks, get a helmet! I'm not here to please you. United is not here to please you. We're here to continue winning trophies. We do that by making the right decisions at the right times or by rethinking bad decisions and correcting them as soon as possible.
I stood behind our Dave all the way, because I stand behind United all the way. I have to admit though, once he had been sacked I felt so good, that I questioned how intense my support for him really was. I hoped he'd come good, hated him for hours after crappy matches and then I started hoping again. All season. But enough is enough.
In hindsight I admit I was wrong with Moyes. I don't think time would have changed his success with us. I think holding on to him would have cost us long term. It took me until I felt free and excited again the moment I heard we'd cut him loose, to realize I was wrong. But I can say for myself I gave him a fair chance, but in the end he just couldn't give me any more reasons to believe he could turn it around.
He got a longer shot than he would have at most other clubs and definitely longer than at every other big club. The club and many of us supporters stood by him through good and bad. And now people are coming out of their holes and pointing at us, saying it's not fair!?! feck off! Nothing is fair! Life sucks, get a helmet! I'm not here to please you. United is not here to please you. We're here to continue winning trophies. We do that by making the right decisions at the right times or by rethinking bad decisions and correcting them as soon as possible.
I stood behind our Dave all the way, because I stand behind United all the way. I have to admit though, once he had been sacked I felt so good, that I questioned how intense my support for him really was. I hoped he'd come good, hated him for hours after crappy matches and then I started hoping again. All season. But enough is enough.
In hindsight I admit I was wrong with Moyes. I don't think time would have changed his success with us. I think holding on to him would have cost us long term. It took me until I felt free and excited again the moment I heard we'd cut him loose, to realize I was wrong. But I can say for myself I gave him a fair chance, but in the end he just couldn't give me any more reasons to believe he could turn it around.
quite a bit of the info is from this article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...neered-sniggered-Manchester-United-stars.html
Don't leave us hanging - bizzare what?
Surprised there are quite a fair few number of opposition fans I've seen who think he should have been given more time(and not in the same way the droll WUMmy Liverpool fans on here do) and that he was set up to fail.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...chester-united-should-have-given-me-more-time
How much time would he like....
How much time would he like....
Well, I'm sorry and all that for Moyes, but have to admit to being unable to go along with SAF's instruction and support the "new manager". Never should have been appointed imo.
But he's gone now and I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. The players must be ecstatic.
What's the betting this aged, tired squad that Moyes couldn't do anything with goes out on Saturday and batters Norwich.
Well, that's providing they manage to get back down to earth in time......
But he's gone now and I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. The players must be ecstatic.
What's the betting this aged, tired squad that Moyes couldn't do anything with goes out on Saturday and batters Norwich.
Well, that's providing they manage to get back down to earth in time......
Set up to fail?
He was given £70 million and allowed to pick his own staff. His failure is down to him I'm afraid. I wonder if those opposition fans would be saying that if Moyes was in charge of their team?
Interesting to hear Ogden on that irish radio show say he was referred to as "Dithering Dave" and at Everton he'd spend weeks of the transfer window umming and ahhhing over players before having to rush into action in the final couple of days.
Explains a lot about last summer.
Explains a lot about last summer.
Manchester United central midfielders were not allowed to get in front of the ball.
That's according to Ogden. Moyes wanted 4 defenders and 2 sitting in front of them. Cleverley already spoke about this earlier on in the season I think.
Over half of what could be considered as the Manchester United first choice eleven were against the Moyes regime as early as October.
That's according to Ogden. Moyes wanted 4 defenders and 2 sitting in front of them. Cleverley already spoke about this earlier on in the season I think.
Over half of what could be considered as the Manchester United first choice eleven were against the Moyes regime as early as October.
He seems heartbroken.
"I remain proud to have led the team to the quarterfinals of the Champions League"
Alright Dave. Cheerio.
Alright Dave. Cheerio.I was surprised that people were shocked at the contrast between our League & our CL form: there was no mystery - the CL teams we played were poor.
Class comments. I hope he succeeds in his next job!
Class comments. I hope he succeeds in his next job!
Those comments sum his reign up. Proud to lead us into quarter finals? Major rebuilding?
Decent statement. However, there's virtually no mention of the players, and (perhaps) a pointed reference to his staff's loyalty. Telling stuff.
Nit picking.
Class comments. I hope he succeeds in his next job!
I agree. Class comments. All the best, David.
Give it a break. Class statement and I will root for him wherever he goes. A good manager and decent guy that simply didn't fit into United.
Honestly think he has too much respect for Sir Alex to say a bad word about the club. Moyes is a good guy.
Nah. The obvious, diplomatic thing would've been for him to thank the players (at least). I think it's significant that he didn't do that. Yeah, I'm reading between the lines but my guess is that he feels the players are responsible for his dismissal.
Yup, says it all really.
Can someone copy what he said here? I can't see the links/pictures.
Good statement. I guess the juicy stuff will have to wait till his autobiography is out.
Class comments. I hope he succeeds in his next job!
Nice comments but the whole "delighted to have had a chance to work at United" rhetoric just exemplifies how small time he is/was. From day one he seemed overwhelmed with the appointment which was a massive red flag.
For those who aint seen:
For those who aint seen:
Have to agree with this. He simply didn't have the ambition. A quarter final appearance in the European Cup is bread and butter for Man Utd, not something we're proud of. When he said after Bayern knocked us out that we'd enjoyed it I wondered who he was talking about. How can we enjoy defeats? Its the winning, not the taking part, that matters at United.
Major rebuilding seems simply to be code for: getting in players who are happy to play my defensive football as opposed to the current bunch who have rejected my methods. He still can't accept that he failed because his ways were simply unsuited to Man Utd.
Like Sexton he was a cautious coach at a risk taking club. It was never going to work. I remember Gary Neville saying Man Utd would change Moyes. Nonsense. The man's in his 50s, he wasn't going to suddenly become someone else. He wanted United to become a hard working, plucky underdog type side and that simply isn't us. He may be angry at the players for revolting against his negative approach, which is indicated by the fact he makes no mention of them in his statement, but the truth is those players got United in a way Moyes simply didn't.
Clearly a nice man but not the right man. Not for United anyway.
On a personal level i like him and really hope he succeeds in his next role. Just couldn't make the step up, through no fault of his own. Best outcome for both parties really, classy comments from him too.
Which is exactly the case. If they would've performed to their actual abilities there is no way we'd be behind Arsenal/Everton right and Moyes would still be here next season.
His comments are nice, but they do also highlight how overwhelmed he has been throughout his entire tenure. A manager taking over from SAF shouldn't be 'proud' to get United to a CL quarter final, it should be an expectancy. That sounds spoiled, but we're one of the biggest clubs in the world at the end of the day.
I'm sorry for him, he was so far out of his depth, it wasn't funny.
I'm sorry for him, he was so far out of his depth, it wasn't funny.
At the end of the day, no matter how shit he was, the players on some level need to be held responsible too. And from some of the articles I'm reading, the players went over and beyond making life hell for him. He needed to go, he was way out of his depth, but I can't help but feel sorry for him. I would expect our players to be more professional than these articles suggest. Of course they may not be true. In which case I hold my hands up. No matter how crap he is, no matter how frustrating it is, I don't think they have the right to do what they did/may have done.
The teams we played were capable of putting in good performances at a high level though. Granted having watching more of Leverkusen and Sociedad this season they are nothing great. The year before however, they did really well. Donetsk away is always difficult as well.
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