Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Neville was right to voice his disapproval at they way the club has handled things - to be honest, since SAF has retired, we've been a disaster zone. It goes to show how important SAF and Gill were as a pair.

We are lacking strong leadership with a clear vision and direction, from the top on down. Who is "the man" at this club? Wayne Rooney? Ed Woodward?

It's nice of G Nev to voice his opinion on Sky but he would be doing more good working at the club instead of a tv studio.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-david-moyes-sacked-3444252

David Moyes 'furious and disgusted' with the club





David Moyes is ‘furious and disgusted’ about the manner of his sacking by Manchester United.

Moyes was left in the dark about his imminent departure on Monday, despite the news breaking on Twitter and subsequently flooding the internet.

The Scot, who was in charge at Old Traford for only 348 days, is angry with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and other club officials, who did not keep him informed of his fate.

Mirror Sport can reveal Moyes was so unaware that he was about to be fired that he worked on FOUR deals for new players on the day it was made known he was departing.

As the news frenzy became overwhelming, Moyes spoke to allies in the game in the afternoon and early evening of Monday and was confident he still had Woodward's support.

The now-departed manager thought he was safe and was pressing for an answer from Luke Shaw’s camp about a £27million move from Southampton to the Old Trafford giants.

Moyes and his team had been at Southampton’s game against Aston Villa on Saturday and were working on persuading the young England left-back to be part of his summer overhaul.




A deal for Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos was also being worked on during Black Monday and Moyes was also looking to sort out the futures of United youngsters Wilfried Zaha and Nick Powell, who are out on loan at Cardiff and Wigan respectively.

The former Everton boss was left disgusted as he found out how the outgoing Premier League champions had already decided to sack him without telling him.

Insiders have revealed Moyes was seething when he heard from Woodward - and that was before discussions over his pay-off.

The 50-year-old called in Richard Bevan, head of the managers' union the LMA, to make sure United pay what is due to him, which may be a year’s money at around £5million.

Moyes is seen as having a strong sense of ethics, and refused to speak to Everton before they had sacked their then-boss Walter Smith.

Instead, then-Preston manager Moyes waited for Smith - a man he admired - to be told he was going before meeting Bill Kenwrigh
 
Moyes should be furious and disgusted about his performance. Good luck for him in finding a club who would accept going from champions to 7th place without taking any drastic action.
 
Not great to go like he did, but he must have realised he was skating on thin ice, taking us to such a low position, setting tonnes of records of who we've not lost to for yonks, being the first manager to lose the double to Pool, Everton and City in the same season etc.

Even in his last interview he was talking about plans for the next season.
 
I'm sure you'd square yourself, hold your head high and do the best job you could under the circumstances. I'd like to think most people would do the best they could to knuckle under and get on with their work.

I don't think the players stopped playing or giving their all, except perhaps this last Everton game. They certainly gave their all against Munich and to come back against Olympiakos. They certainly gave their all during that now infamous Fulham game where we went from 1-0 down to 2-1, only to concede in stoppage time. Go back and watch when Carrick scored to give us the lead, I think the players reactions showed that they cared.

The problem is their efforts were undermined by feck off Steve and the rest of the Moyes brigade. These are the best in the world at what they do, imagine taking the best chef in the world and telling them to prepare Happy Meals. Not exactly a recipe (pardon the pun) for motivation. I think people are being too quick to label our players as lazy, greedy, disloyal etc without first viewing the season from their perspective.

I stopped reading here because this is utter nonsense. It is plainly obvious you hate Moyes on more than just a professional level, but there is no need to be a prick. I've had shit managers at work too, believe it or not you are not the only one. Sure I complained about him but I worked triple hard to ensure I covered the work for the good of my larger team.

Also, complaining is different to humiliating. I'm all for agreeing Moyes was out of his depth and player frustration is likely to spill over, but to me it seems like the players were undermining him the whole time. And it hardly looks like they gave him a chance. There was no need to be like that. It's not even a case of being a professional footballer. It's a case of being a decent human being. Of course I'm gonna side with the players just because Moyes was so much out of his depth but you're absolutely a terrible person if you honestly believe what they did was fair and right.

As countless people have said, absolutely no one comes out of this looking good. No one.
 
At the end of the day everyone knew the first manager after Fergie had a nightmare job. A lot of us still think only Mourinho had the personality to come in and not be overawed.

Everytime Moyesie looked up he was reminded of Fergie with the name of the North Stand looking back at him!

Expectations will be pretty low next year, and that sometimes is ideal, as you can "over achieve". Much better than this year where we've underachieved even from the sheepish top 3 aims we had
 
Yeah, mate. I notice that the praise SAF gave DM (once he was announced as United manager) was like 'Decent man'; 'integrity'; 'good manager' etc etc - at no point did SAF claim Moyes was a great or potentially great boss. Sir Alex trusted to luck, the hope that Moyes would come (very) good.

Indeed. Definitely an appointment on hope and potential rather than solid facts about his pedigree. You can see the similarities to SAFs overall management technique.
 
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Shameful behaviour from some if true.
 
The players are not blameless, but the managers job is to motivate them. How he does this is down to the individual, but Moyes showed a reluctance to drop big names or make big decisions when things weren't going well.

I do not believe that the squad left by SAF was a bad one. I think it was a good squad with a lot of talented young players coming through. Moyes lost the respect of the players very early on, and once he had lost them, it was simply a downward spiral.
 
The stock market was nice to United



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-moyes-sacked-manchester-uniteds-3442826

Manchester United's share price rose to its highest in 11 MONTHS today as the club announced the departure of manager David Moyes.
Opening at $17.90, the share price soon rose to $18.00 and stayed strong throughout the first hour of trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

Market traders in the US awoke to the news that David Moyes had left the club, to be replaced by club veteran Ryan Giggs until Manchester United had secured a long-term appointment.

Yesterday (Monday), as news first emerged that the club were planning to sack their manager, Manchester United's share price dropped sharply as the stock exchange opened, but soon recovered to finish the day on a strong $17.72.

That initially leaped up to $18.00 as the NYSE opened today, and share prices are now at their highest level since May 2013, when Alex Ferguson stepped down as manager.

Prices fluctuated gently but remained stable throughout the first hour of trading, with Man United's share price at $17.97 after 60 minutes, up 1.41% on the previous day's close of play.

After 90 minutes, it had reached $18.10, and after 105 minutes had hit a whopping $18.15.

But it didn't stop there, after two hours shares were selling for $18.33. And 30 minutes later, they had leaped up once again, to $18.60.

With shares selling at this price, the value of the club on the NYSE was over $3billion, an increase of a staggering $100million since the day before, when Moyes was still manager.

Top Manchester United transfer target Toni Kroos is valued at US$50million (£30million), just half of the increase in the club's value during the first two hours of market trading after David Moyes' departure.

The last time Manchester United's share price closed above $18.00 was on May 10, 2013 ($18.02), shortly after Sir Alex Ferguson announced his retirement.
 
Moyes is seen as having a strong sense of ethics

Which is why he has been briefing his mates in the press all season, saying nothing was his fault, how he was left a shit old squad, how Martinez's success at Everton is all down to him, and on and on his bullshit went.

I told you he was snide shithouse, his meek man of the people act is fecking tiresome. You're shit Dave, you got £10 million for being shit, have some self respect, keep your gob shut and feck off.
 
I find these articles very interesting.

To me, it shows there is no difference between football and the real world, when it comes to management at least.

Every single point that was raised against his appointment from the beginning has turned out to be a major issue across the season.

We said his lack of trophies would be a problem- the players didn't respect him from day one he no track record of success he could draw on to underline his vision.

Dull safety first play not to lose football - he had United playing the worst football in living memory.

No experience of managing a big club - he was completely overwhelmed by everything from day one and had no understanding of the magnitude of the job he had taken on.

He had no expectations at Everton and he was taking on a job where he was expected to win every game- Moyes never grasped this, loses were just brushed over nothing changed from game to game.

Sacking the backroom staff was a mistake, we said so at the time - the players had no respect for his backroom staff, who had never won any thing, never achieved anything, and who proved entirely clueless.

And so on and so on and so on.

What I find even more interesting, is the people who still support him, claiming he should of had more time, when it turns out he really did actually have no idea at all what he was doing.
 
That image isn't that bad imo, of course players will go to the manager to complain about playing time they do every season. As long as its kept internal its fair play, if I was the new guy coming in and found out which players were leaking id have them out of the door.

I always assumed our players were man enough to go out and give it all every week but seems a lot felt sorry for themselves. Mismanagement aside they should have performed better, they're experienced enough and that excuse only goes so far.

Moyes needed a few players of his own from the off, didn't take a genius to see where we were weak. If he thought this season was just for assessment he's an idiot
 
I find these articles very interesting.

To me, it shows there is no difference between football and the real world, when it comes to management at least.

Every single point that was raised against his appointment from the beginning has turned out to be a major issue across the season.

We said his lack of trophies would be a problem- the players didn't respect him from day one he no track record of success he could draw on to underline his vision.

Dull safety first play not to lose football - he had United playing the worst football in living memory.

No experience of managing a big club - he was completely overwhelmed by everything from day one and had no understanding of the magnitude of the job he had taken on.

He had no expectations at Everton and he was taking on a job where he was expected to win every game- Moyes never grasped this, loses were just brushed over nothing changed from game to game.

Sacking the backroom staff was a mistake, we said so at the time - the players had no respect for his backroom staff, who had never won any thing, never achieved anything, and who proved entirely clueless.

And so on and so on and so on.

What I find even more interesting, is the people who still support him, claiming he should of had more time, when it turns out he really did actually have no idea at all what he was doing.


What made his lack of trophies worse was his conduct. He was too extreme.
 
I can believe some of these stories about the player's behaviour and Moyes never having the dressing room, while it's wrong of them he was never the man to lead them anyway and they all knew it, this whole season has been a waste of time and a season out of their careers, so I can understand it.
 
It's up to the manager to win the respect of the players. If he can't , then it's his fault.

It's not like the players had a personal problem with Moyes or anything.. Blaming all the players is lazy, and merely out of sentiment.
 
I stopped reading here because this is utter nonsense. It is plainly obvious you hate Moyes on more than just a professional level, but there is no need to be a prick. I've had shit managers at work too, believe it or not you are not the only one. Sure I complained about him but I worked triple hard to ensure I covered the work for the good of my larger team.

Also, complaining is different to humiliating. I'm all for agreeing Moyes was out of his depth and player frustration is likely to spill over, but to me it seems like the players were undermining him the whole time. And it hardly looks like they gave him a chance. There was no need to be like that. It's not even a case of being a professional footballer. It's a case of being a decent human being. Of course I'm gonna side with the players just because Moyes was so much out of his depth but you're absolutely a terrible person if you honestly believe what they did was fair and right.

As countless people have said, absolutely no one comes out of this looking good. No one.

There's a reminder when you post about attacking a post, rather than the poster. Calling me a prick and a terrible person isn't on.

I didn't say what the players did was fair and right. I said that I understand their frustration, and that frustration in any professional workplace, especially one in such a public and high pressure environment, usually leads to conflict.

I strongly refute the idea that I hate Moyes. I don't. I very much wanted him to succeed. I think he's a much better manager than he's shown at United and I wish him the best of luck in the future. I said as much earlier in the "Thanks David Moyes" thread. Go back to various points during the past season and check my posts if you wish.

If you carried on reading where you indicated, you would note my reasons for thinking the players hadn't given up. It's an assumption and as such I could be wrong, but we're all speculating at this point.

You may disagree with my opinion, but I'll ask you to refrain from unfounded personal insults. Doing so just casts a negative light on both you and me.
 
"Send him off, we'd be better off".

These were the subs against Olympiakos away:

Giggs
Lindegaard
Hernández
Welbeck
Kagawa
Büttner
Fellaini

Assuming this is true as it's been reported by two journos: Who was it? Apparently this happened towards the end of the game. Welbeck had come on for Valencia in the 60th, and Kagawa had come on for Cleverley in the 61st, so not them.

Probably Giggs. Surprisingly proven to be a bit of a cnut (who nails his brother's fiancee??) and probably the only one who would dare to given his club standing.
 
What all of this does confirm is that sacking him now was the only option the club had and you get the impression that he only lasted this long because it would have been a lot more expensive to sack him if the owners couldn’t activate the performance clause. All these stories that are being written are what I expected to see over the summer if he had stayed in charge, as players left the club or even just went on holiday more and more information would have leaked out and we would have been starting next season in crisis.

I am not surprised that this is what was happening, this would happen at any other football club, people always fall out or blame other people if things aren’t going well, these players are multi millionaires, with bloated egos and a huge part of management is earning/demanding and maintaining their respect. You can argue over whether this is right or not but it doesn’t take away from the fact that if you aren’t able to do it the writing is on the wall, Moyes clearly fell short and it was probably a combination of his limitations and the void left by SAF that caused this. I don’t think he ever grasped the difference between managing United and Everton, it was the same staff, same training, same attitude, he was destined to fail from probably his first few weeks in charge and you could argue it might have been worth gambling on paying him off very early in his tenure as we might have been able to finish in the top 4.
 
I never got the impression the players weren't trying. They just had no clue what to do, where they were suppose to run, drop deep or press. They looked clueless and I don't think it was a lack of effort.
There again if they weren't listening to anything he said, they would be clueless. Listening might have helped.
 
He should have sold a Rooney which would have sent a message to the squad that they could be next. And not offer Rio a contract.
I agree with you there. It would make them sit up and they wouldn't have dared carry on like they have. If LVG comes in, some will be out the door. He will not have troublemakers in his squad.
 
He doesn't need to

Kinda like asking for Genghis Khan to execute someone just to show he's fearsome? ROAR!

Why would it be any different to when SAF disposed of a player?

The person who followed SAF, was always needing to make statement if they wanted to make changes to the setup. All Moyes did was sack the successful staff and moan about the players being too old, not good enough and signed what seemed our 5th choice midfield target and a player we never needed.
 
Rio being one of, if not the finest, defenders the team has ever had? Why would he be the choice to go?

He was great, many moons ago, but he not anymore. Hes on his last legs and would not have been a positive influence to Moyes if he was the one leaking team info.
 
So many things coming out right now. I wonder if the club is letting all this out to make Moyes look like he was out of depth here, so they don't get the blame for sacking him.
 
This whole thing has been like Mike Bassett: England Manager, without the fairy tale ending.

I might re-watch that whole film just picturing Moyes' face over the top of Ricky Tomlinson.
 
So many things coming out right now. I wonder if the club is letting all this out to make Moyes look like he was out of depth here, so they don't get the blame for sacking him.

How are they to blame for sacking him? Keeping him even longer would've been blameworthy
 
So many things coming out right now. I wonder if the club is letting all this out to make Moyes look like he was out of depth here, so they don't get the blame for sacking him.

Moyes WAS out of his depth. The club acted accordingly and did the right thing. No big club in world football would tolerate the results he's dished up this season. In fact, the club gave him too much time imo.
 
So many things coming out right now. I wonder if the club is letting all this out to make Moyes look like he was out of depth here, so they don't get the blame for sacking him.

I don't think 'blame' is quite the term. You don't 'blame' someone for putting out a fire.
 
This whole thing has been like Mike Bassett: England Manager, without the fairy tale ending.

I might re-watch that whole film just picturing Moyes' face over the top of Ricky Tomlinson.
FOUR FOUR F*CKING TWO.
 
I'm not saying it was wrong to sack him, but the club look like muppets giving him the job and giving a six year deal to go along with. We already know he was out of his depth, but all these stories make it look much worse, it's almost like the club is trying to justify the sacking.
 
He was great, many moons ago, but he not anymore. Hes on his last legs and would not have been a positive influence to Moyes if he was the one leaking team info.
Sounds like Giggs was one of the main culprits. And he's on his last legs too....another goner?
 
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