I cannot believe that! We were led to believe that the dressing room was united. That it is like a family. I expected them to react to Moyes. But I expected them to be united in their opposition. But the times article suggests that there developed factions. This is indeed worrying.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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So he was reading a book on a plane and that's a reason to disrespect him? I bet Rooney hasn't read a book in his life but I'd bet he was one of the leaders in this dressing room revolt judging by some of his performances when Moyes needed our big players to step up.
The players should pay back the wages they've "earned" this season as they clearly weren't trying in protest about Moyes.
No matter what you think of your manager, when you're out on the pitch in front of fans that prob pay more of their earnings than they should, you should give 100%, anything less is a disgrace.
Any potential manager we're looking at might be well advised to steer clear of these bunch of overpaid, prima donnas we have here.
The players should pay back the wages they've "earned" this season as they clearly weren't trying in protest about Moyes.
No matter what you think of your manager, when you're out on the pitch in front of fans that prob pay more of their earnings than they should, you should give 100%, anything less is a disgrace.
Any potential manager we're looking at might be well advised to steer clear of these bunch of overpaid, prima donnas we have here.
Tbf, I can understand the players frustrations. Said it myself that Cleverley was used way too much during the Christmas break and he needed a break. The dropping of Welbeck after December was absurd given his form. Kagawa barely getting a sniff for the first third of the season. Rio being dropped after the first 10 league games when he was played constantly for the full 90mins, RVP being played despite being injured, Januzaj being over used during December, Rooney being given a new contract despite acting a cnut. etc etc etc
You could literally point to every player and give criticism to how they've been handled this season. Several of us feared this would happen right from the off, it was clear Dave was always going to struggle considering his CV. It was a baffling appointment really. I never understood it right from the off, as I'm sure the players didn't. Just bizarre.
You could literally point to every player and give criticism to how they've been handled this season. Several of us feared this would happen right from the off, it was clear Dave was always going to struggle considering his CV. It was a baffling appointment really. I never understood it right from the off, as I'm sure the players didn't. Just bizarre.
Completely agree.
Maybe the board feel that Van Gaal is the ideal man for that. If that is indeed the problem we have here, then he is the clear solution to it. I'd like to see some of these players do these things while LvG is in charge.
It said that it was on the last minuteof the game. Fellaini was subbed to.
Anyway, we all know that it was Giggs. The only one who would have the guts to say so. Especially considering that he adviced Moyes to not put Fellaini on the pitch because hoofing the ball to him won't work.
Assuming that the report is true, of course.
We may have another trouser dropping incident if that's the case.
tbh, that's no different to everyday life. If you've got a boss that's painfully out of his depth then you'll either tell someone higher up the food chain. Work harder in hope of leap frogging said boss or work poorly in hope that your bosses inept performances will be noted. I've seen it happen several times during my working career with Project Managers. The employees know which ones are good and which are bad and they'll do everything in their power to be with the good ones!
Fellaini didn't come on in that game.
I'm starting a rumour that Buttner hates Young and he is the culprit.
Apparently Fergie was consulted before the sacking and he backed the decision to get rid. Good to hear, gives me faith that Fergie didn't soften up with his age still has it in him to put sentiment aside and make the ruthless business decisions for the good of the club.
Buttner said it, but in Kagawa's voice.
What do you expect when Moyes lets a player turn up an hour late for training, drunk, without taking any action. But then comes down hard Welbz, Clev and Young get fined and frozen out for enjoying a night out on a day off? If what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander you're gonna feel resented.
Moyes hated the banner too? Did anyone like it?
Who do we reckon that player was? My guess that it rhymes with Pooney.
You can't say they didn't try. We were shit all season, but the effort was certainly there plenty of times. Not their fault that the manager had no idea what to do and threw them on the pitch with no sense of tactics, no proper preparation before games, shite training methods, etc. Also on your last point, that's just so wrong. Every time a manager gets sacked, it's the same situation. Only thing we've proven is that you'll basically get all season at the very least. Moyes fell well short of every single target, even the minimum requirements. He just simply had to go, it was shocking how shit he did really.
Its sad, but I wouldn't be surprised
Also agree with this. His press skills were terrible, continually hitting out at the players for not being good enough, pretty much from Day 1 with his "need for World class players". There's no doubt that the fans agree with that assessment, but as the manager you don't say shit like that. How is that meant to motivate the players!?
"Hey guys I think the majority of you are fecking shit! I've got a *** list on my computer and I'm emailing it over to Woody right now!"
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This is my feelings on Januzaj (as per my thread on the subject). Ran the fecker into the ground over Christmas and then he just vanished and apart from the odd appearance, hasn't really been seen since
This is my feelings on Januzaj (as per my thread on the subject). Ran the fecker into the ground over Christmas and then he just vanished and apart from the odd appearance, hasn't really been seen since
Spot on. I'm shocked at the behaviour of some of our players if I'm honest. Deplorable carry-on.
What worries me is he still had 51 variations in 51 games yet players were being overused.
Come on if true how could he be so naive, a self help book in front of the players after a defeat, Really? Hardly inspiring leadership.
People have joked that he must have been reading self help books as he looked like he was trying to project confidence with his fake smiles at times, but i doubt any of thought it could actually be true.
This will haunt him for the rest of his life i feel. Changed too much too soon. He should have eased into this job, kept the coaching staff and assumed Ferguson's duties and role let mulensteen continue training. Then once he had integrated himself and earned the players trust after a year or two he could have gradually made changes to how he wanted to run things.
If he had done this even though im not his biggest fan, i feel he could have been a relative success here. Should have had more help from SAF or listened to it more one of the two.
Tufty and his followers thought that it was the greatest thing since the discovery of fire.
Happened to Cleverley, I remember defending him when the fans gave him abuse against Sunderland. He was literally staggering around the pitch looking completely empty. I know we had a few issues with injuries during that period, but you can't have players playing 90mins each game during that period and not expect them to keel over after 5/6 games. Januzaj and Welbeck had the same issue. They all seemed to be dropped after the Chelsea game in January and barely used for the remainder of the season. Just bizarre.
Just all our rivals and the whole rest of the premier league.
Stick the Ole banner back up FFS.
I also don't want to see people crying about how the club mistreated Moyes in the sacking.
Had this been any other club, he would have been sacked 50 times this season and escorted out through the back door never to be mentioned again.
Had this been any other club, he would have been sacked 50 times this season and escorted out through the back door never to be mentioned again.
Why mention what kind of books he's reading? I've just read a book by a rich and wise man and he says that he attends seminars many times every year and reads a lot of books by other rich smart men, just to learn what ever he can. Even if you're reading something by someone you don't agree with you can still learn something. It should rather be something worth noting to praise Moyes rather than seemingly being held against him.
I don't know what to make of that article. It could just be a bunch of rumors thrown all into one. With one or two or three being true people will start believing the others as well.
Giggsy comes across really bad in this, if it's true. He was a player coach - the main reason he was probably hired for was to help probably help Moyes settle in with the squad. Have an influential dressing room figure on his side, who'd back him and help keep the players and management/coaches on the same track.
'It is pointless, Moyes doesn't listen'.
Like to everybody else, Moyes had to earn Giggs' trust too. And that isn't earned by being stupid. A player of the calibre of Giggs would have instantly realize Moyes for what is it (on the professional level) and then there was no turning back.
Sometimes that is impossible no matter how hard you try. Giggs knew this guy was a joke from the beginning.
Still can't get the image out of my head of Moyes trying to coach Rio by using Jagielka as an example 
Have you ever been surrounded by hairy arse blokes in dicking about mode ? It's like being on a school trip for the most part and the stiff in the corner reading educational material is always going to get sneered at, more so if there's a total lack of respect.
Still can't get the image out of my head of Moyes trying to coach Rio by using Jagielka as an example
I would pay to see Rio's reaction.
He is the biggest legend this club has ever had, he wasn't going to stand by and watch someone wreck it all. Suspect Gary Neville and Scholes would have done the same had he still been playing.
Absolutely no problem with a manager reading a book that he thinks will help him do his job better, im sure SAF has read books on leadership etc., but reading a self help book titled ''Good to Great'' in front of your players after a 2-0 defeat is hardly the wisest choice for a manager to make whos having problems gaining a group of players respect.
How does Giggs come across badly? Can Giggs help it if the squad think Moyes' training methods and tactics are stone age and switch off as a result? Is it Giggs fault that Moyes had foot in mouth disease? Why dont we blame Giggs for treating some players like gods and other players like mere mortals? Yeah, definitely Giggsy's fault that the players lost respect for Moyes cos they could see he had no plan B other than hit it up to Fellaini and his plan A was cak. That and Moyes' mismanagement of the squad. Yeah, all reflects really badly on Giggs...
I can just imagine Rio laughing in his face. Not that it's a good or funny thing but how else would such a decorated, highly-regarded player react to such coaching?Still can't get the image out of my head of Moyes trying to coach Rio by using Jagielka as an example
Exactly. You read the book in the comfort of your own home, not in front of every fecker.
It was after he missed the penalty v Sunderland, I think. I remember saying to my friend we wouldn't see Januzaj in the starting 11 for ages and we didn't. Moyes had done something similar with Barkley when at Everton.
I really do not think the article was that damning when it comes to Moyes.
Today is now officially 'Make-up-any-old-bollocks-about-Moyes-and-include-it-in-a-hastily-written-story' day.
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