Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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I am sure RvP has the biggest smile of his face right now. If van Gaal is confirmed, you can bet that RvP will be back to his best.
Mata is no Scoles. You see him in Central MF ??? You know Mata plays no10, Scoles started there as a kid but made it in MF, assisted by Keanes athleticism which, is a huge part of the EPL game. I'd wager Scoles could still, at 37, take Mata over 60 meters, by a clear 15m.
He's a beautiful player, with grace & vision. Interestingly, the one Manager that so many United fans wanted, sold him within months of becoming Mata's coach.
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How can they both play? One of them would have to be wider & we saw how that failed against the athletic & quick breaking Everton.
We have actually. I'm actually stunned we could get into the mid-60s, puts all those shite Liverpool seasons in a different light. The worst part is the shortfall is almost entirely from home games they should have won regardless of tactics and whatnot.
You clearly aren't familiar with his work at his previous club.
They can if we have decent CMs.
I think it's understandable that if most people weren't enjoying their work environment, they weren't going to be able to consistently produce their best form. Reports of training focusing on running and defensive drills aren't going to inspire, particularly when the manager doesn't have much charisma.
Remember these guys will still have been giving 95% of what they have, still have been doing the drills, still have been making the runs.
What makes the difference at the top level, what gets that extra 5%, is when the manager is able to create an environment the alternatively inspires and challenges the players.
If it was enough that player played for the club, or their salary, then we wouldn't need managers.
Interesting to read in that Times article preview that he brought 10 staff with him. Someone with access posting the full article would be appreciated
Exactly. The only position I could see Rooney playing in is off the left in the 4-3-3. Kagawa slightly deeper or off the right, with Mata in the 10... Nani will definitely thrive in the system also. It's tailormade for him as well as RVP... Rooney has had his chances and has not grasped them. No imagination as a 10, too tactically indisciplined to play as a 9. His only hope is a reversion to midfield or to play off the left like he did in 2006-9
Now that's a 'Newbies' standard reply if I may say so. Of course he was fine at Chelsea, player of the year there twice running, while United & City began leaving Chelsea behind. Mourinho sold him for very good reason - a luxury player.
That explains the massive gap when playing City or Liverpool, not consistently drawing or losing at home to relegation fodder.
How about a read only option on the newbies forum? I get the logic of keeping a fire wall between the old farts and the new farts, but surely there can't be any harm done by allowing each army from viewing each others' posts. At least on this one massive topic of conversation of historical significance. If it turns out to be a cluster, then shut it down forever.
Not at all. Your point is absolutely nonsense when you question whether Mata can succeed at another club, despite Mata being a vital player for Chelsea and an instrumental player in one of the clubs most successful periods in their history. If you define that as a 'luxury player' than you have a really warped perception of what a luxury player really is.
By the way, if you reply with a condescending remark on a regular basis you probably won't last long here.
Can we stage an open-top bus parade now?
Like someone else said, all it'd do is end up with the mains users commenting on the newbie users. Either that or would just end up with less discussion as users would be reading the newbies instead of posting.
I wonder what this means for the future of Fellaini... Could he get chopped like Carroll and Adam at Liverpool?
Our record against teams in the bottom half of the table is excellent - won 14, drawn 2, lost 1. Its our record against teams from the top half that's awful - Won 3, drawn 4, lost 10.
Wow. Just looked that up, even worse than I remembered.
So what happens when a new manager who the players don't like or respect is hired? Especially someone like Simeone whose methods are unconventional? They've already shown themselves to be capable of pulling a Chelsea and purposefully underperforming(and yes they were, some of the nonsense witnessed this season was not due solely to Moyes' incompetence) for someone they don't want. For me there really isn't much joy to be had yet till I see who comes in next. Truth be told, I'm already afraid, as I can easily see the club descending into a circus.
United have played wide men, who were athletic enough to track back & cover - Beckham being the prime example. Playing Kagawa out of position, in a wider role against Everton, led to the second goal as he couldn't track the powerful attacking Coleman.
Kagawa & Mata are both limited in being able to play no10, a central position, covered by the Central midfield. Rooney at his best would fill this roll well, as he can support the MF, making it a three, while having the strengthen to power forward. Kagawa was superb in this role at Dortmund, going forward, a class act & Mata was delightful, playing around the box, for Chelsea but neither can play wider without it becoming a big defensive risk & there are better, natural wide players around, like Adnan.
Fair enough. Thanks!
If the same thing happens with a new manager then the players will be looked at. However some of this years player will be gone I'd imagine.
Rio has to be off, massive WUM, you'd expect much better from the more senior players. I sure do.
@bobbyf - I was 100% wrong when I was completely convinced Moyes would be here next season. I just didn't think after all those previous losses anything would change - guess I didn't take into account that more than the results it was the definitive missing out on CL that would trigger the firing.
I do feel sorry for the man who probably put his heart and soul into the job and now he is going to have this over his head for the rest of his life, where ever he goes he'll be the man that failed miserably after taking over SAF. I desperately wanted him to succeed because he seems an honest / ethical man and was always looking for something to show he had a plan. Even on Sunday I clung on to the first half where there seemed like a definite plan in trying to play quick passing with a lot of movement but, unfortunately that didn't translate to the final third and more unfortunately in the second half there were once again the signs of him just not knowing how to change things in our favor.
So in the end I am very glad this has happened now and no matter how miserably he failed, I give him my thanks for effort he did put in, hope others will do the same.
I do feel sorry for the man who probably put his heart and soul into the job and now he is going to have this over his head for the rest of his life, where ever he goes he'll be the man that failed miserably after taking over SAF. I desperately wanted him to succeed because he seems an honest / ethical man and was always looking for something to show he had a plan. Even on Sunday I clung on to the first half where there seemed like a definite plan in trying to play quick passing with a lot of movement but, unfortunately that didn't translate to the final third and more unfortunately in the second half there were once again the signs of him just not knowing how to change things in our favor.
So in the end I am very glad this has happened now and no matter how miserably he failed, I give him my thanks for effort he did put in, hope others will do the same.
This fear is perfectly reasonable. We enter a period of known unknowns, to borrow from the great Rummy himself. I do think we'll avoid becoming a circus club, but the next manager will bear an incredible burden. The board and the players have to do their part, and both were partially culpable on the terrible reign of Moyes. The board because they just rubber stamped a daft and rash decision to appoint Moyes in the first place and the players because they just gave up. I'm not sure when they gave up, but they looked like a demoralized side in West Brom match at OT. You could even sense it at Anfield early in the season when Sturridge struck the match winner with his back. I wasn't able to watch the summer friendlies in the Far East, but match reports suggested indifference and even indolence by the senior players. Most of the blame has to fall on Ferguson and Charlton, however, who insisted on a Scot who simply was not up to the job. The players knew that instantly, it seems, and a season that should have ended no worse than fourth or maybe even fifth ended disastrously.
A shame the bard isn't around today write of cruel fate.
He apparently riled his senior defenders when he showed them match-action footage of Everton centre-back Phil Jagielka and urged them to follow the example of his former charge when it came to defending.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...acked-manchester-united-3439903#ixzz2zcLWHpXN
WHAAAAAAAAT!!!
So now you speak for the Moderators? Referring to my post as "absolutely nonsense", is not at all condescending?
Juan Mata is a wonderful footballer, who is a luxury in the Manchester United style of play IMO. His stats are far from outstanding.
2007–2011Valencia129(33)
2011–2014Chelsea82(18)
18 goals, playing no10, over three seasons for Chelsea, is more an indication of why the Manager many United fans wanted, offloaded him to the first decent (inflated) offer.
Name one player in the successful SAF era, (1993 to 2013) who Mata would have displaced, in the no10, second forward role? Cantona, York, Sherringham, Rooney. All these players had other attributes & made greater contributions, than Mata can offer with his limited, around the box play, making him, a luxury player.
IMO
Apologies for going somewhat off topic
Thank God Almighty, Free at last, Free at last. First day I have enjoyed all season.
I should think if the club move quickly enough with replacements that yes, he will be out the door this summer.
I would imagine for somewhere in the £10 to £12 million pound region that he is actually worth.
A lot of these were posted by members in this thread, not sure if any caf members made them or found them elsewhere. If they made them, you're famous!
http://www.theguardian.com/football...manchester-united#/?picture=435052481&index=8
http://www.theguardian.com/football...manchester-united#/?picture=435052481&index=8
It was first reported on Red Issue and then on several other media. It was ridiculous and might have been completely untrue but it was something like he coached Rio how would Jagielka would have done on those situation and he forced Carrick to watch Osman's videos. Apparently both of them were really unhappy with that, and the situation escalated when Rio said 'what how Jagielka does things have anything to do with Man United? What has Jagielka won, what have you won boss'? On the same report it was said that Giggs doesn't go well with Moyes and he didn't went on a coaching meeting because he said that 'it's pointless, Moyes doesn't listen'. Furthermore it was reported that Giggs used word 'clown' several times talking about Moyes and one time he was disgusted when Moyes send his forward for 2 hours to do coach defensive aspects of the game.
It was so hilarious and so ridiculous, but still it looked so Moyes.
I'm just happy that I can actually look forward to football again. Relieved he's gone. He was never right for us so maybe now we can get someone who is.
Juan Mata racked up 20 goals and 29 assists in the 2012/2013 season alone.
He's obviously less about goals than a second striker because he's an attacking midfielder. He will get far more assists than those you mentioned and he will contribute more towards building attacks as opposed to finishing attacks.
He's a fantastic player. We need to bring in players who provide what he lacks. That's how you build a team.
No statement from the chosen one so far. Reckon that's a part of his severance package as well?
Those stats don't look right. Mata got 20 goals last season and 16 the season before
At least they updated this: http://www.hasmoyesbeensacked.com/
I'd bet the club and Moyes have prepared a statement. We'll hear from Moyes eventually, be interesting to to get his take on the situation.
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