Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Empire said:
Some reports even suggested he offered his resignation after Liverpool, these are merely reports though but would be interesting if so. I doubt it is, reports also suggested we had already approached Klopp and van Gaal however Sky Sports just said United said they are yet to approach anybody about the job.

These are just reports, but the one you are talking about, what I read suggested he was ready to offer his resignation after that bad run however the board gave him a little more time.

They wanted him to succeed and they gave him every possible chance.



Woodward was talking about lucrative friendlies or something. They seem to have a financial plan to limit the effect of no champions league football.

They obviously explored their options and took the risk they deemed most appropriate.



You are basing your entire post on reports patience ran out in February yet the board continued to let him manage because they did not want to pay severance. The same reports suggested he offered to resign at some point (thus severely reduced severance) but they let him tough it out. After the return leg against Olympiakos, they probably just thought it's worth the gamble just incase he finishes strongly because of how much they wanted him to succeed.

Anybody can look back and say in hindsight something was wrong. Only they know the risk they took and I'm sure the board are good at risk assessment therefore they probably did the right thing.
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The point my post was aiming at was that the board is not without fault here, it's not just me suggesting it from a few reports. Just the mere fact we employed a man with no previous experience, no pedigree, to follow Britains most successful manager ever, places question marks over the boards assessment. Perhaps they put all of their trust in Fergusons judgement but having ridden this road before there should have been more input from the Directors in light of the financial risks. It's been a cock up from start to finish and you might wonder had the board been willing to go that extra mile to get in the Worlds very best players each Summer then Moyes might not have faced such a huge disaster. We've fallen behind by pouring our finances into a debt we don't own instead of pouring it into the ever declining squad that only one seemingly sub human manager could get the best from. Were still not that far off perhaps £100 million and a top top management staff but we really should have been keeping up in the transfer market and for that you can only look towards the board and it's debt riddled directors.
 
Anderson's Cat said:
Moyes is the shortest serving manager in our history.
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Moriarty said:
I think there was one who served for a shorter period back in the 1920s but his name escapes me.
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Lal Hilditch (8 October 1926 - 13 April 1927)
Walter Crickmer (his first term) (9 November 1931 - 13 July 1932)


Also shorter terms for T.J. Wallworth (who took over for 6 games), Matt Busby's half season return, Jimmy Murphy after the accident, but those don't really count as they were all short-term replacements.

Edit: Damn, @Damien beat me to it.
 
Colin129 said:
I'm really not interested in anything he's got to say, I'd be more interested in what the players have to say tbh. With Vidic leaving, maybe some more stuff will come out in the summer as to what his management was like.
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I would like to hear what he thinks about leaving myself instead of just disappearing (though given his post game interviews I can kinda guess what the theme of his final words will be). I am very interested in what the players have to say too though.
 
Shark22 said:
I'd rather he said nothing to be honest, I just want to move away from and forget the nightmare that was his tenure now.
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There'll be some sort of written statement from the LMA probably, along the lines of "not befitting United", "stability", "transition", "we think the board are all a bunch of cnuts", blah blah blah.
 
Raul Madrid said:
If the team wins the remaining games I have a strong feeling people will want gigs to stay on. The media will get behind him and it could become a big thing
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People will of course want him to stay on. But some people vote UKIP and watch Britan's Got Talent, so we shouldn't pay any attention to them.
 
Can't believe SAF was in charge from before I was born until last year. Now suddenly we'll have had two in the space of a year basically.
 
Plugsy said:
Surely even he must have seen the writing on the wall. It can't have come as a big shock. Given the players we have the fact so many of them looked as comfortable on the ball as a heterosexual giving his first blow-job at gun-point, should have told him something at least.
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apparently there was noted in some area of the media that Moyes, perhaps half heartedly, offered to step down after the Liverpool game. But probably can't be confirmed yet. His shrug of the shoulders in the press conference after the Everton game after being asked about how the board are feeling about him carrying on with his plan (or questions to that effect) was quite telling in hindsight...so yeah, I would be suprised if he didn't have some idea that things were a bit rocky!
 
Huge relief to see it confirmed, now we can approach the summer with optimism and get things back on track next season.
 
I actually thought Moyes was the right choice to replace Ferguson. It went a lot worse than I ever thought it would. Good luck to Moyes in his future career.
 
togg said:
apparently there was noted in some area of the media that Moyes, perhaps half heartedly, offered to step down after the Liverpool game. But probably can't be confirmed yet. His shrug of the shoulders in the press conference after the Everton game after being asked about how the board are feeling about him carrying on with his plan (or questions to that effect) was quite telling in hindsight...so yeah, I would be suprised if he didn't have some idea that things were a bit rocky!
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I saw that story (or heard it, it's all a big blur at the minute), it sounds perhaps as if it was a backdoor way of seeking assurances. "I'l go if you want but...."

If he had intended to resign he would have done so.
 
scorgasm said:
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Its a bit funny saying that united don't normally do this when they have had only one manager for 26 years that kept winning consistently. Every club in the world would keep a manager if he kept winning (except us with delbosque and capello it seems :smirk:). No club should keep a manager unless he shows that he can win and at least consistently challenge and maintain the club at a high level. Alex ferguson was the exception, not the rule. It is hard to think of any other club that has benefitted near as much as united by keeping a manger for long. Ferguson really was something else. I think jose has it in him to do similar if he is given time at a club and good working conditions.
 
RedSky At Night said:
I'll give you 1 guess and it begins with Roo and ends in Ney.
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My thoughts exactly. Especially considering Van Gaal is likely going to prefer Van Persie given their relationship.

I still think Rooney shoud be moved into a more conventional midfield role but that's just me...
 
Raul Madrid said:
If the team wins the remaining games I have a strong feeling people will want gigs to stay on. The media will get behind him and it could become a big thing
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Don't think there's much chance of that. Glazers won't care a bit about media or fan pressure, they know we can't afford another experimental manager. Top four is essential next season.
 
Carl said:
My thoughts exactly. Especially considering Van Gaal is likely going to prefer Van Persie given their relationship.

I still think Rooney shoud be moved into a more conventional midfield role but that's just me...
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I'd still prefer him to be sold if I'm honest. But we'll see what happens. Perhaps Rooney just needs a strong manager to tell him who's boss and sort him out.
 
Get your ass and your shit staff and get the hell out of my club you ball eyed prick!!!

The damage you've caused this club is already monumental. The the two thing I will never forget is that you paid £30m for FELLAINI!!! That will go down as the worst transfer in the world, hands down!! The other thing is that you presumed to use Ashley Young in the team for half a season eventhough people who don't even watch football were saying this is all wrong.

Go manage a team like Wrexham. Go somewhere you belong ffs. I'm just hoping this won't have a big impact on the clubs history but just emphasis the horrible thing that was SAF stepping down. To me this season never happened. Someone shut this crap down and we start over in august. I will just watch the remaining games as if they were pre-season games and then use the WC as a shopping window. I fully expect us to use at least £250m during this summer. Anything less than that and we can might as well concentrate on being a mediocre team without any kind of ambitions.

Over and out!
 
People reporting his has left carrington for the last time about 20 minutes ago, left via the back entrance to the complex, saying his goodbyes and all that no doubt to the players who he by and large alienated over the course of 9 months.
 
iSparky said:
People reporting his has left carrington for the last time about 20 minutes ago, left via the back entrance to the complex, saying his goodbyes and all that no doubt to the players who he by and large alienated over the course of 9 months.
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Ah. Thought I'd heard a cork popping. That explains it.
 
I am glad Moyes is gone particularly because it means the club won't be held back by some misplaced sense of footballing morality but what's worrying me is the Glazers sacking Moyes because they didn't want to fund the type of investment he thought was needed which isn't far off what we actually do need.
 
RedSky At Night said:
I'd still prefer him to be sold if I'm honest. But we'll see what happens. Perhaps Rooney just needs a strong manager to tell him who's boss and sort him out.
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Van Gaal's converted a fair few players in his time hasn't he? Schweini being probably the most notable. I'm hoping he does the same with Rooney. I definitely don't want him sold.
 
Anderson's Cat said:
I hate this guy usually, but this article is brilliant imo.

http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9277002/John-Nicholson
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Not a huge fan myself. The blaming of the fans at Old Trafford is moronic as it's clearly been shown that the board didn't need every single fan in the ground to be frothing at the mouth, like the average internet poster, for them to realise Moyes was doing a shit job. I also find it tedious how Moyes' failure has almost turned into a fixed point in time in some peoples opinions. As if there was no possible other outcome when hiring Moyes. It has proved to be a bad appointment but acting as if it was the only possible outcome is clearly bollocks.
 
Conrad said:
Not a huge fan myself. The blaming of the fans at Old Trafford is moronic as it's clearly been shown that the board didn't need every single fan in the ground to be frothing at the mouth, like the average internet poster, for them to realise Moyes was doing a shit job. I also find it tedious how Moyes' failure has almost turned into a fixed point in time in some peoples opinions. As if there was no possible other outcome when hiring Moyes. It has proved to be a bad appointment but acting as if it was the only possible outcome is clearly bollocks.
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Exactly.
 
It wouldn't be Moyes-like if he didn't leave without creating one last record:

His 10 months in charge is the shortest managerial reign at United for 87 years.

Ta-ra Moyes, it didn't work out in any way shape of form, and it was best to cut the ties before you made things worse with mindless spending. Good luck at your next job, perhaps stick to mid-table clubs which looks to be your level.
 
I was looking for some insight into the club's thinking and why we sacked him now.

Thankfully, I just read the statement on the official website. Now it all makes sense.
 
Carl said:
Van Gaal's converted a fair few players in his time hasn't he? Schweini being probably the most notable. I'm hoping he does the same with Rooney. I definitely don't want him sold.
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He's an intelligent manager and makes the hard calls. See below:

Blackwidow said:
Not with the ones that are disciplined and hard workers... Not with the team workers.

OK - he had his clash with Ibrahimovic when he was at Ajax. He really asked him to work for the team etc. - and Ibra did not really like it. Van Gaal (who was not a coach there but the technical director) sold him to Juve. He is part of Ibra's book. But I think that story just shows the differences between van Gaal and Guardiola. Both could not live with a player like Ibra - van Gaal looked for the confrontation, Guardiola shied out of it. I think the first method is better. As a player you know the situation like this and you can react.

He has his special ideas. And he talks with the players openly. He is nobody for the maybes. Some can take it - some just cannot. Some might still have illusions and think that it might change.

As a Bayern fan and you look back - even if some of his decisions regarding players was controversial - he actually was right even if some where hard to chew at that time.

The story with van Bommel is just an example for that. Van Bommel then was the Bayern captain and the middle of the dressing room. But he was not showing form on the pitch - and you already saw that he somewhen will really be a liability. Van Gaal saw Kroos' future in central midfield (that is actually where he is playing with Guardiola, too) and he got Gustavo in winter 2011. He just could not give van Bommel the starting guarantee and role he had before. Both - van Gaal and van Bommel - had a short fight with the result that van Bommel left for Milan. Looking back it was a blessing that that transition happened like it did even if it added to the failures of that season. But it was the right time to change that and make Lahm and Schweinsteiger the captains. And it was better like this than to have a unsatisfied van Bommel sitting on the bench and maybe even causing turmoil in the dressing room.

He clashed with Demichelis at the start of his second season - the proud Argentinian could not stomach it to sit on the bench. That is why he left. He has his special idea about defenders - they have to be able to start the build up and he wants a right foot on the right and prefers a left foot on the left of the two central defenders. Lucio and his ways to play - especially his reluctancy to change his role - very early caused Lucio to leave for Milan.

He told Gomez and Tymo very early that they are not his buys and that he has problems to give them spots in his system because of the way they play. But - if you look at it now - we were a lot more successful with Olic or Mandzukic as a striker even if they are less potent goal scorers. And Tymo never got more than a bit part role with Heynckes, too - and they would not have any chances playing with Guardiola.

Ribery had his problems - he had no "fun". But the Ribery of 2009/10 was not disciplined - the Ribery of today is. I do not think that he is an example for anything. The Ribery of 2009/10 would have big problems with Guardiola, too...
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I think he's the type of manager we really could do with, someone who can take the current squad, develop the youth and quickly identify and address our weaknesses. He's also a man who likes to promote youth, he's controversial yes, but as was Sir Alex. What I didn't realise is that he's been watching United (although probably scouting RVP) but even so, being a manager he'll no doubt have looked at our players and evaluated them. Noticing weaknesses and their strengths considering he'd be facing many of them in the World Cup.

It won't be boring with him around for sure!
 
Hellboy said:
He apparently riled his senior defenders when he showed them match-action footage of Everton centre-back Phil Jagielka and urged them to follow the example of his former charge when it came to defending.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...acked-manchester-united-3439903#ixzz2zcLWHpXN

:lol:
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RedSky At Night said:
No way... imagine doing that to Vidic! :lol:
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Aye that's been common knowledge for a bit and was rumoured to be the reason (or one of) behind his fall out with Rio because Rio's reaction was allegedly "What's he ever won?". Which is a fair point to make but not particularly helpful!
 
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