Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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Indeed. And he's only really had 1 good year. It's a bit of a risk. At least Klopp has shown a bit more in terms of transfer activity and nurturing a young squad and group of players. But again, only really had 1 really solid year (but then, Bayern gut his team year in year out).

This is my concern. We are in a real pickle here because none of our targets are perfect choices.

I honestly think of Real lose in the CL, and don't win the league, Carlo has a good chance of being let go. Such is the nature of Real Madrid. And Jose would probably happily come to United if offered the opportunity. But it'd be massively expensive, massively.

Klopp is the best choice right now assuming Mourinho can't engineer a sacking in this final month of the season. He's shown much more than a year, Dortmund has been near the top for 3-4 seasons now.

Simeone is a big risk, not sure what to make of that one.

Ancelotti could well be available if Bayern win the tie and Atletico win the league (which looks quite likely).
 
Indeed. And he's only really had 1 good year. It's a bit of a risk. At least Klopp has shown a bit more in terms of transfer activity and nurturing a young squad and group of players. But again, only really had 1 really solid year (but then, Bayern gut his team year in year out).

This is my concern. We are in a real pickle here because none of our targets are perfect choices.

I honestly think of Real lose in the CL, and don't win the league, Carlo has a good chance of being let go. Such is the nature of Real Madrid. And Jose would probably happily come to United if offered the opportunity. But it'd be massively expensive, massively.

Klopp had more than one good year. They were back-to-back Bundesliga champions and that wasn't even the year he took them to the CL final.
 
Either he will make use of Mata or Mata will find himself a top club. I also think United will do things properly and approach the top managers, if they refuse they will move on (e.g. Klopp).

Mourinho will be approached to see if there is interest and if so the two will discuss things. Mourinho will think about it but likely refuse in my opinion.

Either way, he knows Mata is a top top player. He is probably better at defending than Ozil!!

I think his motives for selling Mata stemmed from a desire to move toward 4-3-3, he understood financial fairplay implications therefore sold Mata (chelsea's player of the season) to generate funds knowing what he would get for him and gave Oscar a chance probably with the view of increasing his value to somewhere similar and to sell him also because he didn't require number 10s.

Matic will be his anchor man, he isn't a top deep lying play maker like Xabi Alonso but he is a top anchor. Willian, Hazard, Salah, Schurre, these kinds of players will perform winger roles. He'll sign a striker that can hold the ball up and drop into the space between midfield and attack like Drogba did if needed, this also explains why he wanted Rooney so badly because I think he can play this role well.

Hypothetically at United his decisions would be based on the system he wanted to implement.

I just wished we went for him in the first place :(
 
Manchester United has announced that David Moyes has left the Club.

The Club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.

I haven't ever seen a sack-speech this short.

There wasn't much more they could spin it, those 3 are his only qualities...
 
Agreed. The problem with Carlo is he won't leave Madrid to come to us. He'd have to be sacked, then I'd think he'd grab our job with two hands. Incidentally, I think he's the cheapest of the "top tier" managers to buy out. Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho... all on big contracts. Not sure what Simeone is on?

Even if Ancelotti fails to win La Liga and the CL he won't be sacked this season. Madrid are trigger happy but they've got one trophy which involved beating Barcelona and they know Ancelotti is a great manager. He'll get another season at least so if we want him we have to wait a bit which is fine. Van Gaal will be a short term option who is good enough for a couple of seasons.
 
Klopp is the best choice right now assuming Mourinho can't engineer a sacking in this final month of the season. He's shown much more than a year, Dortmund has been near the top for 3-4 seasons now.

Simeone is a big risk, not sure what to make of that one.

Ancelotti could well be available if Bayern win the tie and Atletico win the league (which looks quite likely).
Klopp had more than one good year. They were back-to-back Bundesliga champions and that wasn't even the year he took them to the CL final.

My mistake re: Klopp. I agree he's most probably the best option. But he seems to have taken himself out of the running :(
 
And what irritates me more than anything is last year all of these managers were available.
Yes. We might even have tried to convince Klopp before he signed the new contract in October. We could have gone for Ancelotti or Mourinho...

Appointing Moyes didn't only screw up this season I'm afraid.
 
United should have released this on the same day as Liverpool winning the title!!

  • They still could release the name of who will be the permanent manager during our last game at Old Trafford. If van Gaal they could let him come down and give the fans a speech.
  • Announce Ryan Giggs' retirement (unless he plans on continuing).
  • Give a special tribute to Vidic.
  • Announce a record breaking sponsorship deal.
  • Announce their plans for lucrative friendlies to combat lack of earnings from champions league football.
  • Announce how much the war chest is going to be worth.
  • And if van Gaal does give his speech, he could tell Liverpool that he is coming for them. They can enjoy the day but tomorrow they should wake up nervous.
Long story short, should they wish, they could share news time with Liverpool. I doubt they will though, sadly.
 
Even if Ancelotti fails to win La Liga and the CL he won't be sacked this season. Madrid are trigger happy but they've got one trophy which involved beating Barcelona and they know Ancelotti is a great manager. He'll get another season at least so if we want him we have to wait a bit which is fine. Van Gaal will be a short term option who is good enough for a couple of seasons.

You never know with Real, they've done much worse.

To me Van Gaal isn't a good option. Firstly because he causes rifts in teams. Secondly because he wouldn't link up with United until literally right before pre-season. We'll not get the players we need, again. Unless of course Woodward and Fergie take it upon themsleves to get the transfers in.
 
It is considerably better than how it's played. I've no arguments there. I just think that anyone thinking it should have been challenging for the title this season has their head in the sand.

Next season should be better because it's more obvious now that the squad needs a bit of a makeover and you'd expect a real top class manager will be coming in now because the club can't afford to take any chances now. CL football/money is too important.
But why? You have cited Liverpool yourself: they are challenging for the title with that squad. They will probably even win it. And their squad is inferior to ours.
 
Yes. We might even have tried to convince Klopp before he signed the new contract in October. We could have gone for Ancelotti or Mourinho...

Appointing Moyes didn't only screw up this season I'm afraid.

We need to tie this up before Barca also come out looking for a manager. Unless we really want to try to get Jose, then no worries about Barca.
 
Really hope we go for Carlo. He's surprisingly 54 (yes, 54) and he's a frigging 4 times CL winner (2 player, 2 manager)! Please lose all games until the end of the season so Real Madrid sack you and you come to us!!!
I was just thinking...perhaps Giggsy can be our Ancelotti?
 
You never know with Real, they've done much worse.

To me Van Gaal isn't a good option. Firstly because he causes rifts in teams. Secondly because he wouldn't link up with United until literally right before pre-season. We'll not get the players we need, again. Unless of course Woodward and Fergie take it upon themsleves to get the transfers in.

Perez is running out of big name managers to hire and sack if they get rid of Ancelotti, unless they get Simeone which will allow us in... :drool:
 
We need to tie this up before Barca also come out looking for a manager. Unless we really want to try to get Jose, then no worries about Barca.

Oh mother feck, completely forgot Barca are looking for someone too. Thankfully they normally appoint from within if possible, so maybe we might be lucky. That and the manager they are likely to target won't be of a similar mould to what we need. We need someone who commands respect, who has a proven record, and who can galvanize and rally the troops. Barca are most probably going to go for a young manager, who has the necessary principles and belief.

Klopp has a lot of good experience (did some research of my own since I'd clearly forgotten what he'd done), but he has the minimum level that our new manager needs. Not saying Klopp hasn't achieved anything, he has. He's done extremely well. It's more of a reflection of the kind of callibre and profile our new manager needs.
 
I was just thinking...perhaps Giggsy can be our Ancelotti?

Giggsy would be our Pep, but it's too big a risk at this stage.

We cannot afford to do what Liverpool did back in the early 90s and make sentimental appointments.
 
Great news it's official now. He was clearly out of his depth and needed to be sacked.

That said, good luck to him. A job like Newcastle or Villa would suit him more.
 
I was just thinking...perhaps Giggsy can be our Ancelotti?

He could, but again, it's a massive massive risk. Not every great player has become a great manager. He would have the respect of the dressing room though. I just wonder though, his lack of experience could be a big big issue. Probably too big an issue for me to suggest he should be our No.1. I'd be delighted for him to be our assistant manager though, definitely.
 
It's all SAF's fault. Moyes isn't just some player you could loan out, if it didn't work. It needed to be gotten right with no experiments. But he selected a new manager, like he always did with his players. Looking for a value. Let's hope the Glazers get the next one right

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Oh mother feck, completely forgot Barca are looking for someone too. Thankfully they normally appoint from within if possible, so maybe we might be lucky. That and the manager they are likely to target won't be of a similar mould to what we need. We need someone who commands respect, who has a proven record, and who can galvanize and rally the troops. Barca are most probably going to go for a young manager, who has the necessary principles and belief.

Klopp has a lot of good experience (did some research of my own since I'd clearly forgotten what he'd done), but he has the minimum level that our new manager needs. Not saying Klopp hasn't achieved anything, he has. He's done extremely well. It's more of a reflection of the kind of callibre and profile our new manager needs.

If Klopp's record is the minimum level, there really aren't that many options around: Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti... then you're into the much older group of Heynckes, Capello, Lippi and the likes...

or Sir Alex...
 
Manchester United has announced that David Moyes has left the Club.

The Club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.

I haven't ever seen a sack-speech this short.

Tommy Docs statement, lasted 6 seconds, via Club Secretary, Les Olive. At least the Club faced the press in those days.

View from 1min 45 seconds

;)
 
You never know with Real, they've done much worse.

To me Van Gaal isn't a good option. Firstly because he causes rifts in teams. Secondly because he wouldn't link up with United until literally right before pre-season. We'll not get the players we need, again. Unless of course Woodward and Fergie take it upon themsleves to get the transfers in.

I think Van Gaal's problems with players is getting a bit overstated at minute. Him arriving late is a bit of a worry but he is the kind of guy who will work his arse off the get things done. I really doubt our summer will be as bad as last, but the amount of signings we need to make probably depends more on who leaves. We could only need 4 players, a couple of whom only need to be squad players, so he should have time to get that done and that's before taking into account any ground work we've laid for the likes of Carvalho or Shaw if those rumours are true.

Of course we could just hire a director of football to help us out, which I really think we should do.
 
If Klopp's record is the minimum level, there really aren't that many options around: Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti... then you're into the much older group of Heynckes, Capello, Lippi and the likes...

or Sir Alex...

Exactly. That is why I think we're in a bit of a pickle here. It's all good getting a new upcoming progressive manager, but it's clear the players need someone of a high callibre to respect. The next appointment is big, and we can't feck it up.
 
I think Van Gaal's problems with players is getting a bit overstated at minute. Him arriving late is a bit of a worry but he is the kind of guy who will work his arse off the get things done. I really doubt our summer will be as bad as last, but the amount of signings we need to make probably depends more on who leaves. We could only need 4 players, a couple of whom only need to be squad players, so he should have time to get that done and that's before taking into account any ground work we've laid for the likes of Carvalho or Shaw if those rumours are true.

Of course we could just hire a director of football to help us out, which I really think we should do.

I don't think his WC commitments is that big an issue, he'd no doubt have a shortlist of players he'd like to sign and the club can go about doing it before he arrives.
 
But why? You have cited Liverpool yourself: they are challenging for the title with that squad. They will probably even win it. And their squad is inferior to ours.

Like I said to someone earlier, that title win I put down to Ferguson and his ability as a manager. At the time there were plenty of people saying it was the worst team to win the PL (obviously not on here) but it does show that people were questioning the squad even back then. It's not just some reactionary impulse to defend Moyes. Ferguson goes, as does van Persie's fitness and look what happens. Do the same with Rodgers and Suarez next season and watch Liverpool finish 7th.

Had van Persie been injured last season the way he has been this season then you wouldn't have won the league and more people would be looking upon this squad as a whole and agreeing that there's probably one too many who aren't United class within it.
 
And people still dont think the Class of 1992 didn't turn on Moyes? With Giggs, Neville, Butt already in place and Scholesy now getting the call..?

Scholes was already at the club wasn't he? Helping Butt out etc
 
It's just after 3am here and couldn't sleep so checked to see if true. Fantastic news!
Exciting/nervous times ahead but still prefer that to what we've had.

So, did anyone post what Yorke had to say?
 
I think Van Gaal's problems with players is getting a bit overstated at minute. Him arriving late is a bit of a worry but he is the kind of guy who will work his arse off the get things done. I really doubt our summer will be as bad as last, but the amount of signings we need to make probably depends more on who leaves. We could only need 4 players, a couple of whom only need to be squad players, so he should have time to get that done and that's before taking into account any ground work we've laid for the likes of Carvalho or Shaw if those rumours are true.

Of course we could just hire a director of football to help us out, which I really think we should do.

I think a DOF is a good option however the manager needs to have a large say on who that is. Because the only way a DOF works is if the working relationship between the manager and DOF is strong to the core. Otherwise it creates conflicts and problems.

Van Gaals problems probably are being overstated. I am mostly concerned about his late arrival if I'm being honest. I think that is an extremely big issue.
 
Exactly. That is why I think we're in a bit of a pickle here. It's all good getting a new upcoming progressive manager, but it's clear the players need someone of a high callibre to respect. The next appointment is big, and we can't feck it up.

I still think Sir Alex or 2-3 seasons until Abramovich falls out with Mourinho again, or Ancelotti fails to win La Decima, or Klopp finally gets bored at Dortmund is not the worst idea...
 
So, who do I need to bribe to turn my name into "Poster formerly known as Sad Chris"?
 
Seasons Review DVD?

I'm trying to struggle hard to find what good things they're going to put in there, we have very little amount of shots on goals, never mind goals.

They couldn't justify a DVD maybe they could just upload a video to Youtube showing the highlights of this season, starting off with the charity shield win and then a press clipping about moyes being sacked.

Everything in between is best forgotten about by every united fan and scrubbed from the clubs records.
 
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