Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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stevoc said:
They couldn't justify a DVD maybe they could just upload a video to Youtube showing the highlights of this season, starting off with the charity shield win and then a press clipping about moyes being sacked.

Everything in between is best forgotten about by every united fan and scrubbed from the clubs records.
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If we somehow get Mourinho, can we all pretend that 13/14 never existed?
 
Cal? said:
But Van Gaal for 2-3 seasons to steady the ship or Sir Alex for 2-3 seasons?

So he can knock the Scousers off their perch again? :drool:
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Bringing in SAF can't end well. Even if he brings success, it makes the next man's job hard again. I'd rather Van Gaal.
 
gregwar said:
it is an ageing squad, but it doesn't drop off to mid table in the space of 10 months. the older heads could've been phased out anyway, instead of flogging ferdinand and vidic to death at the start of the season. if he brought in a decent style of football rather than the dour shite he's served up, he'd have got more from the squad he inherited. it's the constant comparisons to the state of the club when ferguson took over that need to be f**ked off.
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You said he didn't need to rebuild the squad. We've all been saying ourselves all season that he definitely needs to rebuild the squad. Now he's gone apparently he didn't need to change anything.

Jed I. Knight said:
I like your stance, and in general I agree with the notion that the need for instant gratification in society as a whole is a big problem. I just don't think blind faith is a good thing. At the end of the day it comes down to how you define "being given time" - Many would say that giving him a full season is above and beyond what most clubs of our stature would have afforded him, given the way the season panned out. Who draws the line? Is two years an appropriate amount of time? Or should it be three or four?

I don't know, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that he would have managed to get us back to where we want to be with one more year, or two more years. Do you think Liverpool would be winning the title this season if they had let Hodgson stay on?
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It's not blind faith, because I don't have the belief that he necessarily would have succeeded. What I do believe however is that he needed time so that we could see whether he could have ultimately failed or succeeded, and judged it from there. Not sacked him in less than a year because fans can't handle being like every other club in the Premier League for a season or two.

digitalnirvana said:
Perhaps our stand of giving years no matter what itself was flawed?

You do not let an inept person wreck an organization just on the basis of principles - it happens in no business and why should we be any different?

I have said it again and again that SAF (and Busby) were exceptions. Exceptions are just that, they are not the rule

We have sacked managers performing better than Moyes in the past

The United Way is a myth, and it is becoming a millstone around our necks

Any successful organisation needs to be agile without the burden of impractical principles weighing it down

We should be no different to any other successfully run organisation
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On the contrary, I think we've seen through other clubs that the stance of giving years is actually beneficial unlike the policy of hiring and firing on instant success.

I also think you're exaggerating as many others do when they say 'wrecking the club.' Finishing low down in the league for one season does not equate to wrecking a club.

The reason we were different is because we were successfully run. It's a bit of a farce to say that the other clubs we've previously mocked for their hiring and firing of managers are successfully run. The reason they hired and fired managers is because they were the opposite, thus the perceived need to hire and fire their managers.

Bross said:
At the end of last season, our squad was younger than it had been in years. We needed another midfielder and left back badly, and probably an additional midfielder and a CB. Other than that the squad was perfectly fine. It was hardly a need for "rebuilding", just a few necessary additions. The squad SAF left was far from perfect, but it was reasonably young and had just came from the back of an 11 point PL win. We didnt need rebuilding, just minor tweaks.
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We've needed centre backs, left backs, a centre midfield sorting out and the Nani situation resolving. That's a rebuild. It's not minor tweaks. We've got/had deadwood that needed clearing, player situations that needed resolving, multiple players coming to the end of their career in Giggs, Vidic and Ferdinand, Ashley Young being shite and Nani staying/going/staying/going.

It's been acknowledged all season that SAF left the squad in need of serious work, we can't go back on that 5 minutes after Moyes is sacked and pretend like we were actually fine all season.

Anyway, as I said I'm disappointed only because when the chips are down we've resorted to what we always laughed at, because we've finished low in the table one year.

On the plus side, I am excited to see exciting football hopefully. If we give the new manager time.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
A story happened to be leaked a few weeks ahead of time is all, security didn't toss him out of Old Trafford to land on his ass in a rain soaked Sir Matt Busby Way.

The players have to take massive responsibility huh? Because we've seen that in bundles from the management. Some of what Moyes has said in front of the cameras hasn't been so very decent either.

I realise that Gary's ties to the club may temper any criticism of the manager but why go so far the other way?
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I don't suppose he might have been told by Phil that some of the players have now become Billy Big Bollocks. That they were scared shitless of Fergie and after he has gone their true character is coming out. Some might find themselves on the road out of OT before they even get to shake a new managers hand.
 
I never agreed that our squad was weak and in need of serious rework though. We strictly needed a CM, thats all. We were really weak at LB and with Vidic gone we now also need a CB. Thats it. We arent in need of any more rebuilding than what any side is if they lose a player or two over the summer. If thats the definition then most non-top sides are in constant rebuilding every single transfer window.
 
Cal? said:
But Van Gaal for 2-3 seasons to steady the ship or Sir Alex for 2-3 seasons?

So he can knock the Scousers off their perch again? :drool:
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Bringing in Sir Alex for 2-3 seasons would help nobody, time to move on and move on we shall.
 
Pink Moon said:
Like I said to someone earlier, that title win I put down to Ferguson and his ability as a manager. At the time there were plenty of people saying it was the worst team to win the PL (obviously not on here) but it does show that people were questioning the squad even back then. It's not just some reactionary impulse to defend Moyes. Ferguson goes, as does van Persie's fitness and look what happens. Do the same with Rodgers and Suarez next season and watch Liverpool finish 7th.

Had van Persie been injured last season the way he has been this season then you wouldn't have won the league and more people would be looking upon this squad as a whole and agreeing that there's probably one too many who aren't United class within it.
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Ferguson was a great manager not a magician, this squad is easily one of the top 2-3 in england and one of the top 10 in europe. It should have been fairly straight forward to get it finishing at least 4th. The fact it is 7th is quite a feat.
 
What to do, turn sky sports news off or continue to watch the same clips every few minutes now ?
 
Beckham as club ambassador with Scholes and Gary Neville in the coaching system. :drool:
 
Zarlak said:
The reason we were different is because we were successfully run. It's a bit of a farce to say that the other clubs we've previously mocked for their hiring and firing of managers are successfully run. The reason they hired and fired managers is because they were the opposite, thus the perceived need to hire and fire their managers.
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Are other big clubs runned bad though? Madrid for example, is the most succesful club on the world, we may not like their model, but you can't say that they are runned bad. Bayern which looks to be the club who is runned best has had 7 permanent managers (and 2 interim ones) in the last 10 years. Barca has had 5 on the same time. Regardless of myths, Chelsea has been the third most succesful club in the world (after Barca and us) during the last 10 years, despite they change the managers often.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Yeah I hope we get the next manager sorted right after the season, so he has the time to acommodate and rebuilt in the Summer.
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Haven't been so buoyant and excited for united in a long while. Happy day today and I am going to enjoy the day without thinking much as we have a few months to settle and before the summer is here. Great decision to sack him now rather than until end of season.
 
The players were never really scared of Ferguson, they just had a tremendous amount of respect for him. He was a granddad ffs. The first thing moyes came in and said was 'oh yeah the squads not good enough' and since then, as we know, it really went downhill.
 
Zarlak said:
We've needed centre backs, left backs, a centre midfield sorting out and the Nani situation resolving. That's a rebuild. It's not minor tweaks. We've got/had deadwood that needed clearing, player situations that needed resolving, multiple players coming to the end of their career in Giggs, Vidic and Ferdinand, Ashley Young being shite and Nani staying/going/staying/going.

It's been acknowledged all season that SAF left the squad in need of serious work, we can't go back on that 5 minutes after Moyes is sacked and pretend like we were actually fine all season.

Anyway, as I said I'm disappointed only because when the chips are down we've resorted to what we always laughed at, because we've finished low in the table one year.

On the plus side, I am excited to see exciting football hopefully. If we give the new manager time.
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I was a Moyes backer, wavering perhaps but all the same, like you, saying he needed time. That was until I saw the team selection for the Everton game. Evans & Nani I couldn't understand & Jones at CB over Smalling was disregarding his error prone naivety. Hernandez was made for that fixture & is clearly chomping for an opportunity.

The board had let Moyes down last summer in the transfer market & I believe should have backed the purchase of lesser profile players, secondary targets, in the January window, for the primary playing positions you refer to. Those players are out there - Martinez proves this.

A rebuild most certainly is required & I hope 'they' get their act together, to the degree that the first 11 selected for the start of the 2014/15 season, features League débuts from 5 Manchester United future greats.
 
Revan said:
Are other big clubs runned bad though? Madrid for example, is the most succesful club on the world, we may not like their model, but you can't say that they are runned bad. Bayern which looks to be the club who is runned best has had 7 permanent managers (and 2 interim ones) in the last 10 years. Barca has had 5 on the same time. Regardless of myths, Chelsea has been the third most succesful club in the world (after Barca and us) during the last 10 years, despite they change the managers often.
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But are united setup the same way as Bayern, Madrid, Barca to be successful in this manner?

We have had one manager for over 3 decades running the club his way. You can say what you like, but everybody knows SAF was running the show in all levels at the club. The reason that some clubs can have a high turnover of managers is because the backround structure is conductive to this approach. They don't feel the loss of any one coach because the coach is mainly there to coach the senior team. SAF was more then just a coach at United and you cannot ignore this fact.

Perhaps the club will change its approach, but I wonder if the infrastructure is in place behind the scenes!
 
Livvie said:
Hardly.

I feel very sorry for the man - but why, in God's name, could he not see the mistakes he was making, even when the world and his wife were pointing them out. Three No. 10s, no wide play, Kagawa rarely used where he shines - the list is endless.

And injuries aside, it's ridiculous that he never put the the same team out twice.
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Just listen to a bit of Colin Murray's Show on Talksport, an Everton fan rang in and he said it went downhill with the fans the last three seasons. He said the mistake he made was letting Alan Irvine go to manage Preston and bringing in Steve Round who is a defensive coach. Maybe his loyalty to Round and his coaching methods have been his downfall.
 
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Early morning meeting: United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward delivered the news face-to-face on Tuesday morning



This photo and caption on Mail website made me laugh. It´s like Moyes had turned up as usual to take training and Woodward had to walk out there and rather awkwardly deliver the news
 
Nozzy said:
A rebuild most certainly is required
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Disagree.

We're a few players short but not to the point where it requires a massive rebuild as some are suggesting. It needs tweaks, it's always needed tweaks. Let's erase what Dave has done because he was clearly not up to the task. The point is that our squad under a capable manager won the league with ease. We've already added Mata and Fellaini with Januzaj coming through. We need to tweak the squad, add perhaps 2 CM's, a LB and a winger. That's it.

Last thing we need right now is tearing up half the squad ffs.
 
gormless said:
Early morning meeting: United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward delivered the news face-to-face on Tuesday morning



This photo and caption on Mail website made me laugh. It´s like Moyes had turned up as usual to take training and Woodward had to walk out there and rather awkwardly deliver the news
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His flight from Australia must have just landed.
 
gormless said:
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Early morning meeting: United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward delivered the news face-to-face on Tuesday morning



This photo and caption on Mail website made me laugh. It´s like Moyes had turned up as usual to take training and Woodward had to walk out there and rather awkwardly deliver the news
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Bit like David Brent turning up to the office with his dog:

"But David, you don't work here any more"
"I'm not going to phone ahead, you ffffff-"
 
rpitroda said:
You never know with Real, they've done much worse.

To me Van Gaal isn't a good option. Firstly because he causes rifts in teams. Secondly because he wouldn't link up with United until literally right before pre-season. We'll not get the players we need, again. Unless of course Woodward and Fergie take it upon themselves to get the transfers in.
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I agree. Kloop had never broken a contract and can't see him doing it now. Think he has his eyes on the Germany job. It's real difficult one to call.....
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
I agree. Kloop had never broken a contract and can't see him doing it now. Think he has his eyes on the Germany job. It's real difficult one to call.....
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How much I'd love Klopp to come though... Urgh, I'm happy we moved Moyes on, but damn it's not the best time to do it given the availability of the top tieer managers!
 
Plugsy said:
They've just replayed Yorke's comments on SSN. Bloody hell.
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You have to remember that ex players will have heard stuff and they aren't fools. They will know if players aren't putting in the effort. You say they are just sticking up for Moyes, but they might not be happy that professional footballers for their club are not helping the manager.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
You have to remember that ex players will have heard stuff and they aren't fools. They will know if players aren't putting in the effort. You say they are just sticking up for Moyes, but they might not be happy that professional footballers for their club are not helping the manager.
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What did the Yorkemeister say?
 
It is such a relief he is now gone, club can look forward with optimism now, I think if moyes had stayed the summer would have been really difficult, he would have struggled to sign players and there would have been numerous complaints from players who were departing and even current players. He was the wrong man right from the start and although managers should be given time the other side to that is you have to offer something to justify being given time. You can't just give someone the job and say he has two or three years no matter how he does, there has to be a plan and evidence that the plan is working or will work. He genuinely offered nothing and even by the end of his tenure he still looked out of place and that the job was took big for him, he just wasn't the right man and wouldn't have been no matter how much time he got.
 
Drummer said:
But are united setup the same way as Bayern, Madrid, Barca to be successful in this manner?

We have had one manager for over 3 decades running the club his way. You can say what you like, but everybody knows SAF was running the show in all levels at the club. The reason that some clubs can have a high turnover of managers is because the backround structure is conductive to this approach. They don't feel the loss of any one coach because the coach is mainly there to coach the senior team. SAF was more then just a coach at United and you cannot ignore this fact.

Perhaps the club will change its approach, but I wonder if the infrastructure is in place behind the scenes!
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I think is easier to create the infastructure which will get the job done than finding a new Sir Alex, Drummer. I don't think that SIr Alex and Sir Matt are the norm, we were really lucky to find such great managers, twice. I doubt that it will happen, but even if it does, it will be because the manager is doing a great job and want to stay, not because we simply hire a manager who was a lot on a job regardless how good/bad is him.
 
Some more stats to back up the argument.

Here are the statistics which reveal a team in decline.

Position Points per game
1992-93 1st 2.00
1993-94 1st 2.19
1994-95 2nd 2.10
1995-96 1st 2.16
1996-97 1st 1.97
1997-98 2nd 2.03
1998-99 1st 2.08
1999-00 1st 2.39
2000-01 1st 2.11
2001-02 3rd 2.03
2002-03 1st 2.18
2003-04 3rd 2.34
2004-05 1st 2.29
2005-06 2nd 2.18
2006-07 1st 2.34
2007-08 1st 2.29
2008-09 1st 2.37
2009-10 2nd 2.24
2010-11 1st 2.11
2011-12 2nd 2.10
2012-13 1st 2.34
2013-14 7th 1.68
How performances have slumped



Goals per game
2012-13 2.27
2013-14 1.64

Goals conceded per game

2012-13 1.06
2013-14 1.17


Shots per game

2012-13 11.4
2013-14 10.1


League goals scored after 85 minutes

2012-13 10
2013-14 4


Percentage of league games lost

1992-2013 14.1 per cent
2013-2014 32.4 per cent
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How his football failed

Unsuccessful crosses

Manchester United 717
Swansea 669
West Ham 649
Tottenham 632
Everton 619
Most offsides

Chelsea 100
Southampton 95
Manchester United 88
Fulham 85
Aston Villa 83

31.2 per cent: Percentage of Manchester United's passes played in the final third - 10 teams had better records

8: Teams who have won more home league games than United - including Crystal Palace and Stoke
 
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