I know this current rumor about Mourinho is more than likely bullshit, I think I remember Mourinho saying he regretted selling Mata or something like this.
Confirmed: Moyes sacked.
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I know this current rumor about Mourinho is more than likely bullshit, I think I remember Mourinho saying he regretted selling Mata or something like this.
Yeah I hope we get the next manager sorted right after the season, so he has the time to acommodate and rebuilt in the Summer.Good news? It's brilliant newsI have a feeling we will win all games for rest of season and we really have something to look forward to in the summer. That clown can't give us hope even in the summer tour.
Likewise.
He's only ever been sacked by Bayern Munich mate. I think he resigned at Barcelona both times.
Or it is one big part of elaborate plan?
Utd : "Look here Jose, we are getting rid of this sack of shit Moyes when we can, you want in on the action up North?"
Jose : "Omelettes, eggs. No eggs, no omelettes. And it depends on the quality of the eggs in the supermarket. They are class one, two or three and some are more expensive than others and some give you better omelettes. When the class one eggs are not available you have a problem."
Utd : "Right....anyway...you want a job?"
Jose : "Yes! I will sell you Mata and pretend I have no use for him down here, I can cope without him for a few months and then when I am named United manager we will be reunited again and nobody will be the wiser"
Utd : "Great, how much?"
Jose : "£38 million"
Utd : "Prick...consider it a deal"
Mata : "Big hugs..."
Maybe something like that....
He might have done. Almost as soon as he left Oscar's form dipped right off. They still have Willian who can play there though who has the work ethic Mourinho likes to go on about.
You should try. it'll be funny
Well, you said he's won 4CLs when we're talking about manager, so whilst it maybe factually correct, it was exaggerating his achievements.
It's like the Liverpool fans saying they've 22 titles before we won our 19th, 4 were division 2 titles, factually correct but misleading.
I think Mourinho was really sincere with that comment.
This is my exact post:
Really hope we go for Carlo. He's surprisingly 54 (yes, 54) and he's a frigging 4 times CL winner (2 player, 2 manager)! Please lose all games until the end of the season so Real Madrid sack you and you come to us!!!
How is that misleading, where it clearly states how he won the 4?
Yep, and the Liverpool squad that will win the league this season is proof that a poor squad can win the league. This season's Suarez is last season's van Persie. At the end of last season after United were crowned Champions, how many of you would've taken Joe Allen into the team? Or Mignolet over DDG. Or Skrtel over any of your own CB's or Flanagan over Evra. Nobody would've yet they've vastly outperformed the United squad this season. Did they just turn into world beaters over night? No. Great management and one or two absolute stars have turned them around. Sounds familiar. How do you think Liverpool would do next season if Rodgers left and Suarez was injured every other week?
Moyes underperformed and was out of his depth, that much is obvious. That shouldn't detract from the squad's failings though. You're Manchester United. The biggest club in the world and should be one of the most dominant. Correct me if I'm wrong but when Moyes took over weren't your CM's Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson and Giggs? Occasionally Jones? The defence and wingers every bit as uninspiring. The fact that won the league isn't proof that it's a good squad. It's proof that Ferguson was an unbelievable manager who could get the very best out of players and often get them to perform at a higher level than they really should have.
I'd be happy with Carlo, I think he's a terrific manager.
Seriously would have thought they would wait until the end of the season, I mean, what is 3 games?
Just seen that it's official now. It was inevitable obviously after all the reports last night. Just glad it's done and dusted now and didn't drag on any longer than it had to.
Even the FT is sticking the boot in.
Five lessons from Manchester United’s Professor Moyes
April 22, 2014 8:19 amby Andrew Hill
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Good morning and welcome to the new Harvard MBA module on sports management. I’m assistant professor David Moyes.
You were probably looking forward to listening to Professor Sir Alex Ferguson. He is unavoidably detained, rewriting his first lecture on “Successful Succession Planning: How to Hand-Pick a Man to Look After Your Legacy”. But, having raised your expectations, he asked me to try to fulfil them – something I have got used to doing.
I’d like you to take away five key lessons from this morning’s lecture:
Lesson One. Never, ever, agree to take over from a legend. Someone is bound to end up disappointed. (Just ask Jeff Immelt at General Electric – and he’s had nearly a decade and a half to convince shareholders it doesn’t matter that he’s not Jack Welch.)
Lesson Two. If you must take over from a legend, do try to make sure that said legend is either dead, distant or otherwise unable to turn up every week to watch how you’re doing your job. (Chief executives whose predecessor was recently elevated to the chairmanship may sympathise.)
Lesson Three. If your success depends on the quality of your team, and the quality of your team depends on how much the shareholders will pay to maintain it, don’t take a job where the owners are bent only on squeezing costs and assets. (Chief executives of investment banks, please note.)
Lesson Four. It’s going to take time to convince the team that you’re the right person to take charge. At least make sure that you gain enough of their confidence to achieve one of your key performance indicators – whether that’s a place in the Champions’ League or a quarterly sales target.
Lesson Five. If you can’t rely on shareholders’ patience (and, let’s face it, shareholder patience is a scarce and changeable commodity, whatever business you’re in), at least make sure you’ve packed your golden parachute.
Thank you for listening and now – please excuse me – I have an appointment with my lawyers.
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Five lessons from Manchester United’s Professor Moyes
April 22, 2014 8:19 amby Andrew Hill
109
Good morning and welcome to the new Harvard MBA module on sports management. I’m assistant professor David Moyes.
You were probably looking forward to listening to Professor Sir Alex Ferguson. He is unavoidably detained, rewriting his first lecture on “Successful Succession Planning: How to Hand-Pick a Man to Look After Your Legacy”. But, having raised your expectations, he asked me to try to fulfil them – something I have got used to doing.
I’d like you to take away five key lessons from this morning’s lecture:
Lesson One. Never, ever, agree to take over from a legend. Someone is bound to end up disappointed. (Just ask Jeff Immelt at General Electric – and he’s had nearly a decade and a half to convince shareholders it doesn’t matter that he’s not Jack Welch.)
Lesson Two. If you must take over from a legend, do try to make sure that said legend is either dead, distant or otherwise unable to turn up every week to watch how you’re doing your job. (Chief executives whose predecessor was recently elevated to the chairmanship may sympathise.)
Lesson Three. If your success depends on the quality of your team, and the quality of your team depends on how much the shareholders will pay to maintain it, don’t take a job where the owners are bent only on squeezing costs and assets. (Chief executives of investment banks, please note.)
Lesson Four. It’s going to take time to convince the team that you’re the right person to take charge. At least make sure that you gain enough of their confidence to achieve one of your key performance indicators – whether that’s a place in the Champions’ League or a quarterly sales target.
Lesson Five. If you can’t rely on shareholders’ patience (and, let’s face it, shareholder patience is a scarce and changeable commodity, whatever business you’re in), at least make sure you’ve packed your golden parachute.
Thank you for listening and now – please excuse me – I have an appointment with my lawyers.
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Because we're talking about hiring him as a manager and as a manager he's won 2 CLs.
Anyway, no point arguing over it, I'd be delighted if we get him, but it does require Perez to do his part.
I cant see Madrid letting him go... Plus I still fancy them to win either the cl or their league this year
Time to start looking for a successor so we don't have the same problems as last season where people used the excuse that we didn't have enough time to make transfers. The seasons effectively done for us, so there wasn't much point in keeping him.
Just because majority of our squad has been out of form this season does not mean they lack quality. Many of us are in agreement that our current squad is considerably better than how we have played. I haven't seen anyone admit they would rather have Skrtl, Flanagan and co as part of our team.
I would give a penny for a certain Mr Mourinho's thoughts right now.
What did Yorke say? I missed that one.
Because we're talking about hiring him as a manager and as a manager he's won 2 CLs.
Anyway, no point arguing over it, I'd be delighted if we get him, but it does require Perez to do his part.
Agreed. The problem with Carlo is he won't leave Madrid to come to us. He'd have to be sacked, then I'd think he'd grab our job with two hands. Incidentally, I think he's the cheapest of the "top tier" managers to buy out. Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho... all on big contracts. Not sure what Simeone is on?
We're in a bit of a shit situation here. Van Gaal (who I'm not massively keen on) also comes with a price - that he won't actually link with United right until pre-season starts.
And what irritates me more than anything is last year all of these managers were available.
Retired?
Indeed. Using percentages:
United have often had players of 80% quality, but playing to 100% potential. The reason we beat teams like City who often have 90%+ quality is because they rarely play at 100% potential. That's how Liverpool have been this year, and kudos to Rodgers for that. He's got every single player playing to their maximum and beyond.
He would still walk here if we wanted him.
But Perez is probably as unlikely to sack Ancelotti as Abramovich to sack Jose right now.
Simeone has to be gettable, it'd be like Barca trying to get Rodgers from Liverpool (and Liverpool are a bigger club than Atletico). But appointing a manager who doesn't speak English is quite a risk.
That's my point. He would love to get one over Abramovich, I reckon he'll make a phone call to someone at the club regarding the position.
I honestly don't know. He wanted the ego boost of being the chosen one. As easy as it looks to go in and take the reigns now, he's following David Moyes, not SAF. I could definitely see him turning us down.
Bye bye Moyes.
But Perez is probably as unlikely to sack Ancelotti as Abramovich to sack Jose right now.
Simeone has to be gettable, it'd be like Barca trying to get Rodgers from Liverpool (and Liverpool are a bigger club than Atletico). But appointing a manager who doesn't speak English is quite a risk.
Indeed. And he's only really had 1 good year. It's a bit of a risk. At least Klopp has shown a bit more in terms of transfer activity and nurturing a young squad and group of players. But again, only really had 1 really solid year (but then, Bayern gut his team year in year out).
This is my concern. We are in a real pickle here because none of our targets are perfect choices.
I honestly think of Real lose in the CL, and don't win the league, Carlo has a good chance of being let go. Such is the nature of Real Madrid. And Jose would probably happily come to United if offered the opportunity. But it'd be massively expensive, massively.
Either he will make use of Mata or Mata will find himself a top club. I also think United will do things properly and approach the top managers, if they refuse they will move on (e.g. Klopp).
Mourinho will be approached to see if there is interest and if so the two will discuss things. Mourinho will think about it but likely refuse in my opinion.
Either way, he knows Mata is a top top player. He is probably better at defending than Ozil!!
I think his motives for selling Mata stemmed from a desire to move toward 4-3-3, he understood financial fairplay implications therefore sold Mata (chelsea's player of the season) to generate funds knowing what he would get for him and gave Oscar a chance probably with the view of increasing his value to somewhere similar and to sell him also because he didn't require number 10s.
Matic will be his anchor man, he isn't a top deep lying play maker like Xabi Alonso but he is a top anchor. Willian, Hazard, Salah, Schurre, these kinds of players will perform winger roles. He'll sign a striker that can hold the ball up and drop into the space between midfield and attack like Drogba did if needed, this also explains why he wanted Rooney so badly because I think he can play this role well.
Hypothetically at United his decisions would be based on the system he wanted to implement.
It is considerably better than how it's played. I've no arguments there. I just think that anyone thinking it should have been challenging for the title this season has their head in the sand.
Next season should be better because it's more obvious now that the squad needs a bit of a makeover and you'd expect a real top class manager will be coming in now because the club can't afford to take any chances now. CL football/money is too important.
I think Pink Moon is on a WUM. Our players did not reach their maximum potential under moyes but I'm optimistic it is possible under a manager who has the confidence to do it.
Indeed you can say that about any group of players.
Manchester United has announced that David Moyes has left the Club.
The Club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.
I haven't ever seen a sack-speech this short.
The Club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.
I haven't ever seen a sack-speech this short.
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